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bigswole30
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I would not use 1-test in capsule form.
bigswole30
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I would not use it in capsule form b/c of the poor oral bioavailablity of 1-test. You need at least 400-600mg per day. At this point the sides outweight the results. I prefer liposomal 1-test in which you only have to take 50-100mg per day to add some serious muscle
bigswole30
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Lumberg said:
dude
if you are getting the sides you are getting the gains. taking it in a different form will not affect the sides:gains ratio
1-ad put 7 pounds on me while killing my libido and causing extreme lethargy. I took 600mg per day.
VPX 1-test put 5 pounds on me n half the time and had no sides what so ever.
I sell both forms of 1-test. Many people report less sides with liposomal 1-test than 1-test oral. Sorry but you are wrong on this one.
Lumberg
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Here's a free science lesson:
1-AD is not 1-test. Thus you cannot compare the two.
True 1-AD converts to one test. But at what rate? Also who knows it may put a strain on your liver.
At any rate if you are raising the levels of 1-test in your bloodstream you are increasing both gains and sides in the same proportion, since the level of 1-test is what causes both the gains and the sides.
1-AD is not 1-test. Thus you cannot compare the two.
True 1-AD converts to one test. But at what rate? Also who knows it may put a strain on your liver.
At any rate if you are raising the levels of 1-test in your bloodstream you are increasing both gains and sides in the same proportion, since the level of 1-test is what causes both the gains and the sides.
young guns
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bigswole30 said:
Well, aside from what Lumberg pointed out about 1-ad not being 1-test, here's some more for you to think about.
You said you took 1-ad twice as long, correct? So don't you think that the sides were due to that. I do and here is why. A longer cycle will have a more pronounced suppressive effect on the HPTA. In other words, your nutties weren't pumping out test like they should be. And since 1-test/1-ad does not convert to estrogen, that would also likely be much lower. PA has said in the past that the lethary issues were due to low estrogen levels, and that libido problems could very well be due to this also. So of course a longer cycle, even at exactly the same daily dosage, is going to be more likely to cause side effects due to HTPA suppression.
On to the gains. Who knows the exact conversion rate. I sure don't. So, 600mg of 1-ad a day may not have been as much as 100mg of 1-test per day. First take into account the actual amount reaching the bloodstream. Obviously, both 1-ad and 1-test will be in reduced amounts after absorption than what you originally took. Now take into account that 1-ad has to convert to 1-test, and the available amount of hormone has decreased even more. So it is possible you gained more on 1-test than 1-ad because you were getting more hormone. So you ask, if you got more 1-test in your system from the VPX cycle, shouldn't you have had more sides? Once again, take into account cycle length and it's effect on the HPTA.
Which cycle did you do first? If you did 1-test prior to 1-ad, this could also explain the better gains. Not to mention other variables - training, diet, sleep, stress, ect. These all could have been different in the two instances which would have had something to do with the different gains.
Lumberg made a good point that sides from raising blood levels of 1-test would increase with increasing levels, but so would gains. Now there is a point where the gains wouldn't go up much more, but the sides would continue to get worse, and probably at a faster rate.
This of it this way. If you did 500mg of test (whatever kind you choose) a week vs. 1000mg of test a week, what do you think would happen. There is only so much your body can do in a given amount of time in terms of gains. Yes you'll gain more off 1000mg, but how much more. Would it really warrant the ever increasing side effects at that dose? And can you even keep it all at that point? How much more worthwhile was it than doing 500mg a week in terms of gains, since the sides were alot worse?
Now this is hypothetical and all, but I think it gets my points across - yes there are more than one. First, I do understand that it is possible for the gains:sides ratio to shift toward sides when doses get higher and higher. But I also hope you realize you're not comparing 1-test to 1-test, so you've got to take other things into account. Does 1-ad have inherent activity on it's own (like 4ad supposedly does) that would increase sides? Does 1-ad convert to other substances besides 1-test that increase sides.
The take home message, you're not just comparing oral vs. liposomal, since you're not comaring the same compound in each form. Therefore, you cannot say that oral 1-test causes more sides. Also, even if you were comparing 1-test oral to 1-test liposomal, there are other things that need to be considered before reaching the conclusion that oral is worse than liposomal. You may very well be correct, but the reasoning you gave isn't sufficient enough to support your statement, IMO.
Lumberg
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young guns said:
VERY good point. Thanks for calling me on that. I guess what I was trying to say was that in the "normal" range the gains:sides ratio stays relatively constant. But you are right, there is a point of diminishing returns where the sides increase more than gains.
STILL, if you are talking about the same substance, more sides means more of that substance got into your blood.
