1-Test Cyp, Primo, or Mast E??

[ballslee]

I have a couple options that I need to decide on for next cycle...

already going to run test c 1000mg and 5IU HGH

Should I run:
1-Test Cyp (DHB) 500-750mg (unsure of dosage to take)
Primo 600mg a week
Mast E 600mg a week
**slight chance NPP 300mg/wk

My problem is running 2 of these compounds with an Oral.
I already have winny orals, but dont really want to take and may get rid of.

other oral options: Tbol, MHN

I am worried about the DHT in regards to running two at a time. as far as going bald (not prone at all) and joint issues
so if i ran primo and mast, would that be bad? tbol oral
or if i ran 1-test cyp, mast E, and winny would it be bad?
could also run 1-test cyp and NPP, with winny oral.
Or just drop the orals all together

 

[dylangemelli]

you need to post your stats... age/height/weight/body fat

 

[ballslee]

well i posted them on my profile. im 23, 6'4, 305, body fat below 15 percent.
really thinking the 1-test cyp and primo combo will be legit, any thoughts on this.

also, curious as to peoples thoughts on lowering test dosage (i have done 1000mg past 2 cycles of Test E), that is why i was switching to Test C, but want to see if people still get a good libido effect when they lower the dosage?

 

[infraredline]

well i posted them on my profile. im 23, 6'4, 305, body fat below 15 percent.
really thinking the 1-test cyp and primo combo will be legit, any thoughts on this.

also, curious as to peoples thoughts on lowering test dosage (i have done 1000mg past 2 cycles of Test E), that is why i was switching to Test C, but want to see if people still get a good libido effect when they lower the dosage?

I have a couple options that I need to decide on for next cycle...

already going to run test c 1000mg and 5IU HGH

Should I run:
1-Test Cyp (DHB) 500-750mg (unsure of dosage to take)
Primo 600mg a week
Mast E 600mg a week
**slight chance NPP 300mg/wk

My problem is running 2 of these compounds with an Oral.
I already have winny orals, but dont really want to take and may get rid of.

other oral options: Tbol, MHN

I am worried about the DHT in regards to running two at a time. as far as going bald (not prone at all) and joint issues
so if i ran primo and mast, would that be bad? tbol oral
or if i ran 1-test cyp, mast E, and winny would it be bad?
could also run 1-test cyp and NPP, with winny oral.
Or just drop the orals all together

Drop test 500 is more then enough then do the dhb 400-500 the mast e is fine at 400mg no need for 600 but dont run for more then 8 weeks for the mast will start to get harsh on joints, drop the primo npp and winny, Tbol is good
This is what I would do

1-12 500mg test c
1-12 400-500mg dhb
1-8 mast e 400mg
8-12 Tbol 40-50mg

Hgh would be fine at 4iu since that will get you 20-25mg of igf from your body converting it

What's your pct like?

 

[TheRippedReverend]

well i posted them on my profile. im 23, 6'4, 305, body fat below 15 percent.
really thinking the 1-test cyp and primo combo will be legit, any thoughts on this.

also, curious as to peoples thoughts on lowering test dosage (i have done 1000mg past 2 cycles of Test E), that is why i was switching to Test C, but want to see if people still get a good libido effect when they lower the dosage?

I dont believe you

Pics or your lying!

305 below 15%!!!! Hulk status

 

[ballslee]

ill post some pics later, dont have any on this computer. not lying tho.
actually been thinking i was not going to do the mast,
was gonna run the DHB @ 500mg/wk and Primo at 600-800wk

the test, i may or may not drop it to 500/750. I react very well to it....no gyno, a little bloat, no acne, etc.
I have had success with test at 1G, and have not been able to find anything searching with regards to dropping it after becoming used to a certain dosage.
ive run 10 plus cycles, so im not inexperienced with high dosages.

but why do you say mast over primo infaredline? and only 8 week would be for prop ester if im not mistaken.....enanthate ester wont even peak in my system 2/3 weeks so 10 wks is perfectly fine.

not dropping gh down, i have properly worked up to this dosages over 6 months. if anything, i wish it could be higher

also gonna try GW first time

 

[Texas Monster]

If your stats are true then why are you running Juice ? At those stats your obviously naturally gifted and there is not need for juice.

But something tells me there is somehting more to the story here. I bet your BF is higher and a lot higher than what you expect it is.

If this is this case do not run juice because you will be setting yourself up for heart disease.

Now If what you have been saying is true then I would run the mast and the npp with the test and drop the primo. I would also run a lower test dose.

Week 1-12 Test c 500mg
Week 1-10 NPP 200mg eod
Week 9-14 winny 60mg ed
Week 1-10 Mast e 400mg
Week 9-14 n2 gaurd
Week 9-14 lipid stable
Week 1-6 HCGenerate
Week 7-14 HCG 500ius
Week 1-10 Caber .5mg e3d
Week 1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod

PCT week 15-18
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
N2 slin
DAA
PCT+Unleashed

Week 19-22
DAA
Phytoserms 347 or bridge double dose.

 

[ballslee]

hahaha it is crazy how people try to doubt you on this site. I do not need to lie to you, and also have no reason.
trust me i am all good on the heart disease bro. I respect that you have built a reputation on this site, and this is why I have joined this site to try to gain knowledge into areas that i have not yet explored. There is not a need to ask why use juice.....why do you use it? I mean come on man, I came here for a reason not to get questioned in irrelevant areas.

i am not as interested in the NPP, it was only an option if i could not find primo or 1-test cyp
because my last cycle involved deca.

i am into trying stuff i have not yet taken, hence why i am leaning towards 1-test cyp and primo.

I have read other threads on this site about the 1-test cyp, and I am just trying to figure out if primo goes well with it even though it is at DHB derivative.
some threads suggest a synergistic effect. I am looking for first hand experience

Also, as I asked above about lowering the test no one is giving me a reason why. I see you do not want to suggest huge dosages and all, but as I stated I have become use to the dosage of test that I have run at 1000mg.....what is to say my body wont respond to the 500mg dosage? I havent gone this low since probably six cycles ago.

I have read many posts where you use this PCT, and although this is not the normal approach that i have taken and recovered great from, I am open to trying it once I research further.

 

[callmejay]

At those stats you've simply reached a level of monstrous that its natural to be skeptical. Why wouldnt we want to see pics? Shit if I was that big I'd register a checkouthowfuckinghugeiam.com with a full photo gallery.

Now go pop that shirt off and snap one in the bathroom for ole daddy Jay. No homo.

Sent from my PG86100 using EliteFitness

 

[Texas Monster]

So you have tried the approach of using a lot of test......

Now it is time to just use test for function and let the rest of the AAS work its magic

Since you have become used to it what is the point of running it that high when you can run stronger compounds at a lower dosage?

 

[raze]

Def want too see pics, that's some fucking impressive stats!

 

[TheRippedReverend]

ill post some pics later, dont have any on this computer. not lying tho.
actually been thinking i was not going to do the mast,
was gonna run the DHB @ 500mg/wk and Primo at 600-800wk

the test, i may or may not drop it to 500/750. I react very well to it....no gyno, a little bloat, no acne, etc.
I have had success with test at 1G, and have not been able to find anything searching with regards to dropping it after becoming used to a certain dosage.
ive run 10 plus cycles, so im not inexperienced with high dosages.

but why do you say mast over primo infaredline? and only 8 week would be for prop ester if im not mistaken.....enanthate ester wont even peak in my system 2/3 weeks so 10 wks is perfectly fine.

not dropping gh down, i have properly worked up to this dosages over 6 months. if anything, i wish it could be higher

also gonna try GW first time

Bro your a monster!

Jeez are you sure you wanna do roids?

 

[ballslee]

So you have tried the approach of using a lot of test......

Now it is time to just use test for function and let the rest of the AAS work its magic

Since you have become used to it what is the point of running it that high when you can run stronger compounds at a lower dosage?

THANK YOU!!
Finally someone can answer my question the way I ask it.

Okay, and where I was headed with that is will that effect my libido negatively?
I completely understand the approach you have mapped out, I just want to make sure that my body is going to even respond to a much lower dosage. Would throwing in proviron be of use?

Also, about the 1-test cyp (DHB) and primo combo
is it a good combo? or why are some of you recommending the masteron vs the primo. Is this because the masteron will upregulate the lower test?

the primo i am going to get is dosed 200mg/ml.....hence why i was going to run 600mg
the 1-test cyp is dosed at 250mg/ml

i am here to ask questions and get answers from first hand users, not brag about my size or get reviews from others on how i look.

 

[infraredline]

THANK YOU!!
Finally someone can answer my question the way I ask it.

Okay, and where I was headed with that is will that effect my libido negatively?
I completely understand the approach you have mapped out, I just want to make sure that my body is going to even respond to a much lower dosage. Would throwing in proviron be of use?

Also, about the 1-test cyp (DHB) and primo combo
is it a good combo? or why are some of you recommending the masteron vs the primo. Is this because the masteron will upregulate the lower test?

the primo i am going to get is dosed 200mg/ml.....hence why i was going to run 600mg
the 1-test cyp is dosed at 250mg/ml

i am here to ask questions and get answers from first hand users, not brag about my size or get reviews from others on how i look.

I say mast cause you are gonna get more in regards to gains from it vs the primo but idk I've never heard anyone use primo and 1-test, who knows you may come onto a great combo but dose the 1 test at 500mg no need to go any higher, might even be good at 400mg

 

[Texas Monster]

THANK YOU!!
Finally someone can answer my question the way I ask it.

Okay, and where I was headed with that is will that effect my libido negatively?
I completely understand the approach you have mapped out, I just want to make sure that my body is going to even respond to a much lower dosage. Would throwing in proviron be of use?

Also, about the 1-test cyp (DHB) and primo combo
is it a good combo? or why are some of you recommending the masteron vs the primo. Is this because the masteron will upregulate the lower test?

the primo i am going to get is dosed 200mg/ml.....hence why i was going to run 600mg
the 1-test cyp is dosed at 250mg/ml

i am here to ask questions and get answers from first hand users, not brag about my size or get reviews from others on how i look.

As far as it effecting libido it shouldn't at all. This only comes when there is sustained use with out a very strong androgen.

Ie you can run a tren only cycle ( add in a little mast ) but you will be hornier on cycle than you were off.

People run into libido issues when they either A) let their progesterone get to high or B) tank their estrogen too low.

IF you avoid these two things then your libido should be fine.

Now by running a smaller amount of test 250mg a week that is more than enough to keep your libido up and running.

Now I suggest using masteron over primo for a few reasons.

1) Primo is one of those that has to be run 16 weeks. And 16 weeks of an enthanate is just something I do not advise even for the hardcore blasters and cruisers.

2) It helps with prolactin sides better than primo. That is just my opininon others may have had other issues.

Now dont get me wrong primo is one hell of a drug. But I would rather see you run a conservative blast of 8-12 weeks and adding in higher doses of more beneficial AAS then just test. Recovery will be better and you will end up enjoying your gains.

Another option to think about is adding in some tne oil for the first 4 weeks of your cycle. This will give you that filled out test look early in the cycle and it stacks nice with anything.

Just after that 4 weeks drop down to your lower dose.

 

[Power36]

No worries man, I got bugged about my stats and for a pic and Im not nearly your size! I cannot imagine with 1 gram of test feels like!

You will get tons of good help here....I enjoy this place over other forums

 

[ballslee]

I say mast cause you are gonna get more in regards to gains from it vs the primo but idk I've never heard anyone use primo and 1-test, who knows you may come onto a great combo but dose the 1 test at 500mg no need to go any higher, might even be good at 400mg

I ran into an issue with the 1-test Cyp and won't be Getting it. I'm thinking I am going to do primo and mast e now.

 

[ballslee]

As far as it effecting libido it shouldn't at all. This only comes when there is sustained use with out a very strong androgen.

Ie you can run a tren only cycle ( add in a little mast ) but you will be hornier on cycle than you were off.

People run into libido issues when they either A) let their progesterone get to high or B) tank their estrogen too low.

IF you avoid these two things then your libido should be fine.

Now by running a smaller amount of test 250mg a week that is more than enough to keep your libido up and running.

Now I suggest using masteron over primo for a few reasons.

1) Primo is one of those that has to be run 16 weeks. And 16 weeks of an enthanate is just something I do not advise even for the hardcore blasters and cruisers.

2) It helps with prolactin sides better than primo. That is just my opininon others may have had other issues.

Now dont get me wrong primo is one hell of a drug. But I would rather see you run a conservative blast of 8-12 weeks and adding in higher doses of more beneficial AAS then just test. Recovery will be better and you will end up enjoying your gains.

Another option to think about is adding in some tne oil for the first 4 weeks of your cycle. This will give you that filled out test look early in the cycle and it stacks nice with anything.

Just after that 4 weeks drop down to your lower dose.

Thanks for the info. I do not have a problem with longer cycles, my last cycle was 16 weeks. I appreciates the explanation you gave in regards to lowering the test and most likely will try this out.
I bet the TNE would be great, but not sure I'm up for the every day injects.

I think I am still going to avoid the NPP because I am trying to match up esters and not have to inject as much as I have in the past.

So I am now thinking:
Test 500mg wk
Primo 600mg wk
Mast E 400mg wk
Possible TBol oral in here, also looking into MHN.

I can go whatever length I need to.

1000mg of test feels awesome! But it is only for people who know how to control themselves and their mental states in my opinion. I have delt with it well but I know others that should just not even attempt to get there.

 

[Power36]

Meaning aggression issues from T or just getting too excited from the overall experience of going balls deep and their ego cant handle it?

That looks like a sweet cycle, "someday" I would love to try the Test/Prim/Mast combo in those doses!

 

[ballslee]

Meaning aggression issues from T or just getting too excited from the overall experience of going balls deep and their ego cant handle it?

That looks like a sweet cycle, "someday" I would love to try the Test/Prim/Mast combo in those doses!

Yea like aggression issues especially with DHT stacked with it. But yea some people's egos can't handle 500mg, so it's not like they could handle more.

I was really disappointed I couldn't try the 1-test cyp, it sounded so awesome.

The primo I'm getting is 200mg/Ml
So it is easier to run that higher dosage. And the mast E is 200 as well, so overall that is a lower dosage of mast and an average primo dose. considering primo at 800/wk to get more bang in a shorter time, and a few threads I have read say that is more of an optimal dosage to really get a lot out of it. But you guys are all recommending lower dosages so I'm gonna probably stay conservative,

I'm now thinking going so high on test may have been a mistake, but I actually gained weight after PCT this past cycle because of running growth thru it. Def think the GH helped me hold onto the muscle I gained.

 

[Texas Monster]

Thanks for the info. I do not have a problem with longer cycles, my last cycle was 16 weeks. I appreciates the explanation you gave in regards to lowering the test and most likely will try this out.
I bet the TNE would be great, but not sure I'm up for the every day injects.

I think I am still going to avoid the NPP because I am trying to match up esters and not have to inject as much as I have in the past.

So I am now thinking:
Test 500mg wk
Primo 600mg wk
Mast E 400mg wk
Possible TBol oral in here, also looking into MHN.

I can go whatever length I need to.

1000mg of test feels awesome! But it is only for people who know how to control themselves and their mental states in my opinion. I have delt with it well but I know others that should just not even attempt to get there.

You know since you are ok with a 16 weeker you might consider EQ. I wouldnt stack mast and primo for shedding and DHT reasons.

And yeah I get you on the matching up pinnning but if you think about it if you mix eod injections with monday thursday injections you will be following a 3 on 1 off schedule as far as pinning goes and I am cool with that but some people arent.

Since your gonna do 16 weeks anyways I would stack test eq and primo. That would be so sick. No worry about progesterone and just keep your e in check and it will be smooth.

The only problem with running eq for 16 weeks is that it takes a while to clear so you would be looking at longer than 16 week cycle.

I might even consider a hybrid cycle set up like this to get the benefits of the 16 weeks but have a quicker PCT. Not so sure about this one I am just throwing it out there to see what other people think about it.

Week 1-10 EQ 600mg
Week 11-16 boldenone acetate 175 mg eod
Week 1-10 Test e 500mg
Week 11-16 test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-10 Primo 600mg
Week 11-16 methenolone acetate 100mg ed

PCT week 17

 

[Power36]

Interesting....

Id like to hear about the Primo 200mg/Ml....I read on a site that guys said it hurt so bad they had to stop pinning, that its impossible to do it in an efficient manner at 200mg/mL without using some oil that is not really good to shoot....otherwise its painful...so Im curious as I wanted to run it higher at some point but oil volume is an issue

So TX Monster Primo Ace?? and EQ Ace?? I didnt know that stuff existed! So would that be stuff one could do a short blast with since its quick acting, or Primo and EQ still should be run long term to get the benefits?

Im liking the looks of these cycles for my next summers ride!

 

[Texas Monster]

Interesting....

Id like to hear about the Primo 200mg/Ml....I read on a site that guys said it hurt so bad they had to stop pinning, that its impossible to do it in an efficient manner at 200mg/mL without using some oil that is not really good to shoot....otherwise its painful...so Im curious as I wanted to run it higher at some point but oil volume is an issue

So TX Monster Primo Ace?? and EQ Ace?? I didnt know that stuff existed! So would that be stuff one could do a short blast with since its quick acting, or Primo and EQ still should be run long term to get the benefits?

Im liking the looks of these cycles for my next summers ride!

That is something I need to look more into. Primo ace is an oral so if you can handle just 10 weeks of pinning the primo then you can switch over to oral.

I pretty sure that you still have to run it for the full time I would anyways. This way though however you can hop on PCT at week 17 and not week 20-22.

As far as like a short 8 weeker I would have to run both the cycles then compare. I will let you know though becuase I plan on doing both.

 

[Power36]

Got it....I dont think I can afford Primo orals for an 8 weeker! haha... I might have to settle for Test Prop, Mast Prop, and Tren Ace or something else and an oral....then in the summer run a grand 16 weeker with Primo, EQ, and oral start or finish, and maybe bump up Test which Ive never really tried, only my 200mg HRT or once I tried 400mg for an 6-8 weeker I think and didnt feel a huge difference.

 

[ballslee]

You know since you are ok with a 16 weeker you might consider EQ. I wouldnt stack mast and primo for shedding and DHT reasons.

And yeah I get you on the matching up pinnning but if you think about it if you mix eod injections with monday thursday injections you will be following a 3 on 1 off schedule as far as pinning goes and I am cool with that but some people arent.

Since your gonna do 16 weeks anyways I would stack test eq and primo. That would be so sick. No worry about progesterone and just keep your e in check and it will be smooth.

The only problem with running eq for 16 weeks is that it takes a while to clear so you would be looking at longer than 16 week cycle.

I might even consider a hybrid cycle set up like this to get the benefits of the 16 weeks but have a quicker PCT. Not so sure about this one I am just throwing it out there to see what other people think about it.

Week 1-10 EQ 600mg
Week 11-16 boldenone acetate 175 mg eod
Week 1-10 Test e 500mg
Week 11-16 test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-10 Primo 600mg
Week 11-16 methenolone acetate 100mg ed

PCT week 17

I have read several threads on here where people run primo and mast together.
Because the latest thinking is that Primo is not a DHT derivative, and is actually a derivative of Dihydroboldenone (DHB) so I dont see how they would conflict with one another.

I ran mast prop and anavar before in a cycle and did not have a problem with shedding.

I have done EQ the past 3 cycles, and I am definitely tired of it. I feel like i get the anxiety side effect that everyone refers to....and it actually negatively effects my hunger. I cant eat at all on EQ.

Some people also sell primo ace as an inject.

But now that you talk about hybrid cycles, I may possibly run some mast prop at the end of the cycle to let that clear easier. Definitely do not have the money to do the primo ace though. But I have been considering the MHN kickstop, so I could do something like this.

1-12 Test C
1 - 14 Primo 600mg
1 - 10 Mast E 400mg
12 - 16 Mast Prop 150 EOD
1-4 Tbol 50 mg
12 - 16 Test Prop
12 - 16 MHN 30 mg
17 PCT

 

[Texas Monster]

I have read several threads on here where people run primo and mast together.
Because the latest thinking is that Primo is not a DHT derivative, and is actually a derivative of Dihydroboldenone (DHB) so I dont see how they would conflict with one another.

I ran mast prop and anavar before in a cycle and did not have a problem with shedding.

I have done EQ the past 3 cycles, and I am definitely tired of it. I feel like i get the anxiety side effect that everyone refers to....and it actually negatively effects my hunger. I cant eat at all on EQ.

Some people also sell primo ace as an inject.

But now that you talk about hybrid cycles, I may possibly run some mast prop at the end of the cycle to let that clear easier. Definitely do not have the money to do the primo ace though. But I have been considering the MHN kickstop, so I could do something like this.

1-12 Test C
1 - 14 Primo 600mg
1 - 10 Mast E 400mg
12 - 16 Mast Prop 150 EOD
1-4 Tbol 50 mg
12 - 16 Test Prop
12 - 16 MHN 30 mg
17 PCT

I like this set up. And that is very uncommon to not get hungry on EQ. Maybe it is because you have ran it alot.

When I was on eq my friends stopped inviting me over because I would eat all their goodies hahaha.

And are you getting your primmo at 200mg/ml

 

[Deltoid_87]

For size, strength hardness AND vascularity 1-Test Cyp smashes primo and mast at half the dose! Its one of my favourites.. I love it at 600 - 800mg. With nandrolone and an oral 600 will be plenty and thatll be one hell of a cycle bro.

 

[ballslee]

I like this set up. And that is very uncommon to not get hungry on EQ. Maybe it is because you have ran it alot.

When I was on eq my friends stopped inviting me over because I would eat all their goodies hahaha.

And are you getting your primmo at 200mg/ml

I think it had to do with taking my vyvanse and EQ together. I can normally eat very well on it, but when i took that it was a pain to eat each time.

Yes, the primo will be 200mg/ml.


my source for 1-test cyp ran out, so although I want to run it the most of all of them...it looks like I am stuck with these.