The jury is still out on this one. If it turns out to be the real deal, then maybe hell might freeze over after all. Realistically, its probably a somewhat descent product but I seriously doubt it is what ergo-pharm is marketing it to be. Besides, for the same price you can get 20 ml of Boldenon or 15-20ml of sust which WILL give you results. You'll have better luck in the future post supplement questions on the mass quan. board