1-AD, Beast, Katandrol, Epi - Which to cycle?

[obiwarz]

I have about 90 1-AD (1-androstene-3beta,17beta-diol 100mg) caps hanging around yet that I've been considering using. My actual plan has been to do an epi (ep-stane) + katandrol stack, but the katandrol is taking forever to ship. I'm not even sure when it will ship since it was backordered not too long ago. I have all my other supps ready and a complete cycle + PCT plan set up (thanks need2!) for an epi/katandrol cycle.

My question is, should I hold off on the katandrol and do a 1-ad+epi stack? I could also do a beast one as I have a full bottle of that as well. I'm just getting really anxious to get started and am obviously impatient about not having the katandrol. Will I get similar results with any of these other supps? I'm looking to cut, yet gain quite a bit of muscle. I've also considered just starting the epi now and then throwing in the katandrol once I get that and the forma. Thanks EF bro's!

 

[Lancer55]

I haven't read anything on 1-AD and have never used it so no comment but beast adds lean mass not sure if it is used as a cutter but I guess its possible, theres a thread comparing it to diesel for bulking is why I assume its better for adding lean weight but im sure somone else will post up.

 

[obiwarz]

Yeah, 1-AD was banned years ago, but I had some left over. I'm just bummed that I haven't received my katandrol yet. I'm guessing its because I ordered forma with it and that is out of stock. I'm thinking my best bet is to start my epi and other supps then throw in the katandrol when I get it... which will hopefully be this week.

You have any experience with FORGED STEEL? I just got 3 bottles, but not sure if I should use that on cycle either. I got quite the elaborate cycle, lol.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/evaluate-stack-katandrol-742899.html

 

[Lancer55]

Yeah, 1-AD was banned years ago, but I had some left over. I'm just bummed that I haven't received my katandrol yet. I'm guessing its because I ordered forma with it and that is out of stock. I'm thinking my best bet is to start my epi and other supps then throw in the katandrol when I get it... which will hopefully be this week.

You have any experience with FORGED STEEL? I just got 3 bottles, but not sure if I should use that on cycle either. I got quite the elaborate cycle, lol.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/evaluate-stack-katandrol-742899.html

Ya that could be why. That is really up to you, they are both mild but it would still be better not to run the orals very long, if you start epi and the katana gets there a week or 2 later you will be taking orals a week or two longer and will have to take that much more time off before your next cycle. Plus I think they would work better taken at the same time working together. As for forged steel I have not used it but its a natural test booster similar to Unleashed which I have used and liked. Some people run HCgen through cycle and PCT its a test booster so you could run steel and unleashed, 1 during cycle 1 during PCT and compare them. If you like steel as much as unleashed you could just run the next 2 bottles of steel the same way through cycle and pct on the next cycle, ya man you got a nice looking cycle lol.

 

[die faster]

katana can be run for 6 weeks. its non liver toxic. your best bet is to find out from mr supps when youre gonna get it and stack the epi with it either the first 4 weeks or last 4 weeks. beast you can def. lose some fat on it, but you need to eat alot of carbs on beast or youre just gonna feel like shit. how much fat are you trying to lose? and how much lean mass are you trying to gain?

 

[obiwarz]

Actually I got an e-mail today that my katandrol and forma is on its way. I just started the epi today so it will be a couple days early, which shouldn't hurt anything much. Instead of adding the HCG to the cycle, I'm adding forged steel (I got in on that buy 1, get 2 free deal). We'll see how that works over the 6 weeks then use HCG during PCT. Now if those HGC pre-orders from N2 come in stock, I may run the HCG with the cycle though.

I'm looking to cut about 20, but gain some muscle tone. I'm in a softball and racquetball league so bulk isn't a must.