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I haven't used Havoc or Unleashed, but I ran Dermacrine for 4 weeks and got nothing.

Let me just cut to the chase and give you a quote directly from Paul Cribb (Ph. D, CSCS) Director of Research at AST Sports Science: For a company to claim their supplement increases muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy...

You and will obviously never agree on the validity of certain types of supplements, however I do have a major problem with your suggestion that I would lie about my experience with them. You said that a certain portion of my argument was a "cop out", which truly is hypocritical coming from you...

I was looking at that too. It looks like they met at a 4-star hotel. I'm sure all of those powerlifters fit right in when they came in through the lobby LMAO

I think DaveTSI from right here on our own boards is a great example of this as well.

Did you not read where I said I did an 8-week trial of the Lean Muscle Stack? I ran 4 weeks of the Phyto-Test stacked with Dermacrine, followed by 4 weeks of the Phyto-Test stacked with Sustain-Alpha. Are you calling me a liar? I actually still have the containers that I would be more than happy...

Not from me!

Nice full squat. Always good to see that. None of that half-squat shit that I see from so many of the big squat attempts, most of which I don't even think should be counted by the judges...

Hey Legacy, could you quote a post of mine where I "downed" someone's review of a product? Someone asked for feedback of Dermacrine and I gave them my personal experience after having just used it for 8 weeks. I don't see anything wrong with answering a question, especially when it doesn't...

Board presses are basically a tricep movement. They are intended to improve the bench totals for guys who wear bench shits during a meet. I would hardly consider them an exercise that focuses around makign the chest stronger.

I most definitely lean forward because that gets the chest more involved. Now I will agree that I was leaning forward too much previously, but there still needs to be a good lean. Straight up and down forces the triceps to handle the brunt of the load (which is great if your doing dips to...

I agree. I would only add chin-ups, dips, and weighted crunches to that list. Stick with those core exercises, and the muscle will pile back on. Just be sure to get plenty of protein as well...

Why do an "arms" day at all? Just let your biceps and forearms get their work from heavy rowing, deads, and chins.

yeah, what does he know...right? :p

That's not true at all. I have great things to say about any of these products: Optimum Nutrition Protein (Whey, Egg, and Casein) Optimum Nutrition BCAA powder AST Micronized Creatine AST Micronized L-Glutamine AST Multi-Pro 32X Multi-Vitamin I'm sure there are many other brands of these 5...