"Your faith is a joke"

[Underwraps]

This is all we really need to glean from this thread....


...and the fact humans are inherently, fat.

Uh, yeah, that was what I was trying to say, but with less lasering eloquence. Religions are not to blame, humans are to blame. I don't care if you don't agree with the rest of the random points I brought up. That was the basic point I was trying to make per the OP. Done.

Daniel Day Lewis is card carrying athiest? He's one of my favorite actors. Actors are not my interest though. It's the musicians mainly. Got any recommendations from the list?

 

[Underwraps]

There is nothing wrong with using colorful language...and for the record as far as "meanness" goes you were the one who called me a prick initially so don't play the innocent.

Really? I don't think so. You used the F word first "if your fucking God exists.." I did not adress you personally before then, but you quoted me in that post w/the videos so I had to take that sort of personally. Those chubby guys were adorable.

 

[cuthroat]

I actually don't really disagree with you on the topic of anectdotal info. I never said it was fact, but my experience. As for being lazy, I was looking things up while I was away and came across this: Bill Gates is more agnostic, but heavily leaning to science/athiest. I'm not surprised Stilleto is athiest. Here kindness was also fickle.

Bill Gates - Celebrity Atheist List

As sill as it may sound. Athiests are more easily mean than theists, at least on this site and in my anectdotal experiences.

Wow...thats some solid reasoning right there. ROFL.

And agnostics are atheists.

Ignorance is bliss it must be great to be so self righteous.

 

[Underwraps]

Klassy


Well, here again, you've assumed too much about me.


For what? I'm confused. They are artists. If you want to know about any of them, I'd suggest you listen, read, or view their work.

Actually, I added an extra note to my comment on Stilleto and that was before I read yours. (I mentioned she helped me out, but made me feel like I was a pain in the ass. No mask. Authentic.) Athiests are authentic and that often comes off as rude.

Too many artists! Too little time! Surely, you like some of them from the list? Save me some time? Which have produced for you trancendental music?

 

[Underwraps]

Wow...thats some solid reasoning right there. ROFL.

And agnostics are atheists.

Your a prime example of the self righteous.

Reasoning based on the fact of my experiences. Agnostics are not athiest. They are not one and the same. They are at best different gradiants of a similar thing. They are fence sitters. Athiests are without ANY doubt there is no God.

 

[Underwraps]

More spiritual mumbo jumbo. From "The Four Agreements"- a Toltec Wisdom book.

1- Be impeccable with your word.
2- Don't take anything personal.
3- Don't make assumptions.
4- Always do your best.

Now, before you call me out as a hypocrite of a religion I'm not even sure exists anymore. Yes, I've broken all four and will continue to do so because I am an imperfect human. Someday athiests will take all the wisdom of our foreparents and live on in harmony in enlightment. I hope so in the same way I hope there is a God.

"Live on and prosper." folks- Spock ( Jewish name isn't it? So is Nemoy.)

 

[cuthroat]

Reasoning based on the fact of my experiences. Agnostics are not athiest. They are not one and the same. They are at best different gradiants of a similar thing. They are fence sitters. Athiests are without ANY doubt there is no God.

See this proves right here how little you truly know. Atheists do not believe "without any doubt" we simply see that there is no scientific reason or demonstrable proof to stipulate the existence of a God - and given what we know it is highly improbable a God exists. We function on reason not "faith". If someone were able to meet this proof we would get on our knees like you.

Agnostics are simply what you would consider a weak atheist in that they do not believe that there is a God, but neither do they believe there is enough evidence available to entirely dismiss the notion.

 

[ceo]

But really, people don't need religion to be good (I know many good, kind atheists, actually kinder than some christians because you've got christians who'll go "God will provide" whereas the atheists figure "There ain't no God so we need to take care of each other").

Whoa lady! Now that's just crazy talk!

 

[ceo]

underwraps atheists are not all that bad, I know one that is pretty much perfect. I don't wish for him to change at all (not that he would lol)

Unpossible!!!!!

 

[Mr. dB]

underwraps atheists are not all that bad, I know one that is pretty much perfect. I don't wish for him to change at all (not that he would lol)

Aww, thanks!

 

[cindylou]

Aww, thanks!

You're welcome

 

[ceo]

Why should I care about others? Why should I love other people? How can I love people? Should I forgive people? Rational thought without the spiritual mind...you could think about it for so long that each human being becomes throw away peices of flesh.. can you imagine a world where everyone thinks this way? That is the reality I'm supposed to accept even though you can't prove there is no God? How could this be good for humanity? I see a selfishness in humans and the idea that a higher power helps us rise above our human condition is the only reason we have not destroyed ourselves yet. Religion is not a good thing, no. It drives a wedge between us and God...but there is something out there damn it and it's not just in my head...it can't be

So without god/jesus/religion you wouldn't care about Abby?

It is only because of religion/god that a man can love a woman?

Or a brother love his sister? Or a person can care about another person enough to befriend them and help them?

You surely can't believe that, yet your statement presents no other option.

 

[ceo]

We see people's labels, but we don't know who they are...that's why we can't judge.

Who are you to really know their motives and judge anyway?

I know you said the above in regards to religious people, and perhaps it was meant only for them. Perhaps you are fine with judging atheists? Sure looks that way.

Athiests who want to rid the world of the useless parasites: the poor, invalid, old, and stupid-

On what basis would the athiests make their arguments to help the useless?

I think that hard-core athiest "preachers" like this guy is probably a pedophile.

my suspicion is those athiests who have morals are very fickle and lack any real warmth and desire for human connection.

Look lady, I went through every post of yours in this thread and I could have pulled similar atheist hate speech from almost every one. I don't really want to take the time to do that. Sorry. Anyone can read it though. Believe me your anti-atheist views are readily apparent.

+++You still haven't answered the question on good athiest charities. –UW

+++Why must athiest be sooo rude and mean? Oh, wait, not all are this rude and mean, just like not all religious people are cruel and stupid either....

You assume I’m atheist. I haven’t told you either way if I am or not, but I also haven’t answered your question as to what charities atheists give to. I don’t have to BE something to DEFEND something/someone.

 

[ceo]

I know you said the above in regards to religious people, and perhaps it was meant only for them. Perhaps you are fine with judging atheists? Sure looks that way.





Look lady, I went through every post of yours in this thread and I could have pulled similar atheist hate speech from almost every one. I don't really want to take the time to do that. Sorry. Anyone can read it though. Believe me your anti-atheist views are readily apparent.



You assume I’m atheist. I haven’t told you either way if I am or not, but I also haven’t answered your question as to what charities atheists give to. I don’t have to BE something to DEFEND something/someone.

Oh, I almost forgot...

HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lolol!

So typical.

 

[javaguru]

 

[ceo]

As silly as it may sounds, athiests are more easily mean than theists, at least on this site and in my anectdotal experiences. Their kindness and patience are fickle.

This is your observation, so how could it be wrong???

lolololollolo

Remember: Beware the prodigal athiest who hides in sheeps clothing and messes up your view of the theists. A good athiest is honest and authentic like those of you here willing to be upfront about your beliefs. The cowardly athiests/agnostics use religion for their selfish means. Really, if one REALLY believed their religion would they do the crap they do? Nope. They are the mentally ill and the power hungry and the cowards and maybe it's not fair to blame the athiest/agnostics for them either. They are their own isolated problem. Maybe. Okay. Done.

So Jim Baker is an atheist? Or did he just get tempted and fall to that temptation? He has since repented. Did he convert back to christianity from atheism?

Sorry, but I find you a poor representative for either side of a religious debate.

Your views on christmas gift giving? Is that what you made up or heard from someone else? Do you just use that as your reason or the reason of the christians that believe xmas is all about jesus? xmas has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Well...I suppose it does now, but it didn't until men changed everything to make it appear that way.

Now, speak more Japanese to me...that got me all turned on!!

 

[jackangel]

on EF, we have cool peeps and targets.

you, underwraps, are a target. we like targets.

yay.

 

[nangiggles]

I'm an atheist and I didnt make it past 3 min of that video because it annoyed the fuck out of me, and calls out for all atheist to bully believers, I dont believe in God but I do respect people who do and in most cases I feel they deserve to be respected, however not people like underwraps who thinks we are heartless bastards who dont help anyone and have no morals, this is what upsets me, people who dont know us judging us, ironically I feel this automatically makes them a "bad christian" because you do not practice what you preach, you judge, you hate, you point....

I'm an atheist and I do charity work, I dont help just kids or battered women I help the elderly, the true forgotten by society, I dont kill, I dont steal, I am faithful to my husband and friends, guess why!? fear of punishment from God? fuck no, I do it because it feels right, because it's fair and respectful, I dont need to fear a God or feel I'm going to hell if I dont "do" enough good....

You never said anything to me Underwraps, based on this explain why I as an atheist am inferior to a "believer"such as yourself?

 

[cuthroat]

You never said anything to me Underwraps, based on this explain why I as an atheist am a worst person that you?

She indirectly called you a bitch.


and judging by your typing I think your drunk...^ Or high again...seek help.

 

[cuthroat]

A pain in the ass. Bitch is for people like Nan when she gets fired up.

See page 9 for details.

 

[nangiggles]

See page 9 for details.

being a bitch has nothing to do with being a believer or not besides I'm only like that as she mentioned when fired up

It's funny how she could probably have more moral flaws and transgressions then me but if she believes in God and repents that she has the righteousness to think she is above me.... how convenient....

 

[Underwraps]

This is your observation, so how could it be wrong???

lolololollolo



So Jim Baker is an atheist? Or did he just get tempted and fall to that temptation? He has since repented. Did he convert back to christianity from atheism?

Sorry, but I find you a poor representative for either side of a religious debate.

Your views on christmas gift giving? Is that what you made up or heard from someone else? Do you just use that as your reason or the reason of the christians that believe xmas is all about jesus? xmas has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Well...I suppose it does now, but it didn't until men changed everything to make it appear that way.

Now, speak more Japanese to me...that got me all turned on!!

Oye, I hate to dredge up an old thread, but I had to leave and left unanswered questions from CEO. Jackangel was right. I was not very careful with my words because as I have learned, everything on EF is a joke eventually so it's hard to write seriously and with care when it's going to get scrapped into the conversation waste basket in a couple hours anyway. But, I'm digging this back up for CEO.

Yeah, I wrote with a lot of "hate" and anger, but don't take it personal per "The Four Agreements". I wrote in reaction to a reactionary OP video. If it doesn't represent you, then it doesn't. If you are merely being the voice of reason as a MOD or for all reasonable people, then nice work. I am only representing myself and my own views.
I'll stand by these:

1) Yes, overall athiests are meaner than the other 2 categories: theists and agnostics. There will always be exceptions to the rule and we can't take a head count, but I just have a good hunch. I can't publish a book on it. Btw, I will be visiting a Unitarian church for a series and I hope to meet NICE atheists for some interesting conversations. A hate speech guy like in the OP video would NOT be found bothering with unity and lovey dovey oneness with others at a Unitarian church and you know it. Athiests might go to this type of "church", but it's the exception perhaps, and not the rule.

2) I asked for athiest charities, and yes I could have found them myself, but I wanted to know what charities you athiests give to. If you gave, you'd have a list so I figured you would mention one or two of your own favorites that you give to. I didn't doubt there were any. I was trying to give a boost to athiest charities WHILE learning of them. I got a list, but it was not clear if the poster even gave to the charities himself.

3) I wanted musicians you athiests listened to who made for you transcendental music. I got no recommendations yet. I want to be proven wrong on this point and hopefully come across some good music. So far, nada.

4) Yes, I came out of the locks with hate speech at the OP video guy and hate in general for anyone who would applaud him. You are welcome to "hate" religious nuts too. Most of us "hate" extremists of any kind. I'm a hypocrite for hating EXTREMISTS and for thinking in general that thiests (and agnostics- who are the norm) are generally nicer, warmer, more inspired, and more generous than thiests and agnostics? It could be a false impression based on nothing but my personal experiences, but experience speaks volumes and with volume. I don't see myself as an over generalizer, but I know that's what you think is at the core of my views. So be it. I'm just lacking in a variety of good experiences with "out" athiests. Many people have "bad" experiences with non-athiests too. Duh. But again, religious labels can be misleading where as few people would NOT be athiest and stick on an athiest label. Why do you not adress this point?

Btw, being fringe folks anyway, it seems a matter of course that many gay/bi people would be non-thiests especially of the Judeo-Christian-Muslim kind since these religions generally preach against homosexuality. Just another tangent.

As for religious bozos who do crap than repent- are they athiest/agnostic/thiest? Who knows? Acceptance, control, power, security, and being with the crowd are very powerful forces. Representative bozos of any stance are bozos. CEO says I'm not a good representative for thiests. That's okay. I am only speaking for myself and my views.

I will have to say through all of this I did learn more about how athiests want to be defined and viewed vs the impression of the OP video guy. There's something good. It's nice that nice chunky balding white guys want to have some good dialogue. There isn't enough of it and again at worst this was a dialogue. I was just so pissed off and not really taking "care" with my words. My bad. Was any of this a big deal anyway? Really? EF can stand for EFfervescent.

 

[Underwraps]

being a bitch has nothing to do with being a believer or not besides I'm only like that as she mentioned when fired up

It's funny how she could probably have more moral flaws and transgressions then me but if she believes in God and repents that she has the righteousness to think she is above me.... how convenient....

Who said anything about above and below? Just nicer and meaner. Straighter vs gentler. Good vs bad? Righteous vsself righteous? Me "self righteous" per cutthroat is another copout word to call people when you can't stand when others simply want things or people to be better. There is equal self righteousness going on among all on here. It's such an easy label to put on thiests AS IF athiests can't be self righteous. You are not immune to the word simply b/c you don't believe there is a god.

 

[Underwraps]

Btw, even if this dialogue has gone dead thanks to those who at least try to reason with the other- nicely. It's nice that athiests are nicer when they're called out as meanies. LOL!

 

[javaguru]

People need to chill...
[/QUOTE]

 

[Underwraps]

People need to chill...

[/quote]

LOL. That was cute. They were "nice" guys there in a crappy situation.

Last note: Nice people know that how they impact another's feelings has a domino effect and in incalculable chain reaction. Mean people don't give a shit about impact and on whom or for how long. Wise people know how to deflect impact and to take care about use of their impact. - I'm just getting this now in my second childhood.



Peace

 

[javaguru]

LOL. That was cute. They were "nice" guys there in a crappy situation.

Last note: Nice people know that how they impact another's feelings has a domino effect and in incalculable chain reaction. Mean people don't give a shit about impact and on whom or for how long. Wise people know how to deflect impact and to take care about use of their impact. - I'm just getting this now in my second childhood.



Peace[/QUOTE]

"The Life of Brian" is fun for everyone...

 

[ceo]

I'm sorry? Was that big long ass post supposed to be some sort of reply to me? Did I ask those questions? Do you even read my posts? You're still asking me for atheist charities that I give to? And atheist music I listen to?

Where did I ever tell you that I was an atheist? I explicitly told you that I never said I was an atheist. So why are you still asking me these questions? Besides, I don't really give a shit if a charity I choose to give to is atheist or christian or whatever, as long as I feel it's a good charity and the money is well spent. I also don't care about the particular faith, or lack thereof, of an artist. If I like their stuff, I like it.

Do you give only to christian charities? Do you listen to only christian music? Do you read only christian authors? If the answer to any of these is no, then why the hell would you expect an atheist to donate to only "atheist" charities, or enjoy only atheist artists, etc.? Seems they would be even less inclined to participate in such separatist behavior. Religious people, on the other hand, are MORE likely to only give to charities, listen to artists, etc. that align with their religious views. Crazy.

By the way, since your experience has been that overall atheists are the meanest group of people out there, I will tell you that by far the people that have been the meanest to me and hurt me the most have been religious people. Most of the atheists I know are pretty nice people, actually. I am basing this by people I actually know (like, in real life, ya know), not just by my online observances. People do and say things online that they wouldn't otherwise in person.

I think I've said this before, but some of the absolute worst and meanest people I've ever met were in church every Sunday. They played the part real well. Some even well respected, elders of the church. Leaders of the flock. Very nice and godly appearing people.

But, I've also met some genuinely nice and caring people in the church. For the most part though, those religious people are scandalous.

 

[cindylou]

I agree. I've only had one Christian friend and have never dated a Christian man. I am a Christian despite them.

 

[nangiggles]

Who said anything about above and below? Just nicer and meaner. Straighter vs gentler. Good vs bad? Righteous vsself righteous? Me "self righteous" per cutthroat is another copout word to call people when you can't stand when others simply want things or people to be better. There is equal self righteousness going on among all on here. It's such an easy label to put on thiests AS IF athiests can't be self righteous. You are not immune to the word simply b/c you don't believe there is a god.

To answer some of your questions about atheist artists and charities we atheist support... my personal answer is nothing particular, I'm the kind of atheist who respects believers, hell sometimes I'm jealous of them because they have something to hold on to to keep them going, charities I help arent atheist and music I listen to isnt either... I've even liked some flat out christian music because it has a good message, yes it talks about God and I dont believe in it but it doesnt stop me from liking the lyrics, the message and the positive vibe

I understand how believers dislike us because we represent the contrary of their beliefs, I have also noticed (and this is NOT directed to Underwraps or a board member) that sometimes the believers that hate us the most, treat us the worst and judge us based on our beliefs and not our ways and actios, are those who struggle, they are those believers that dont really believe and that have weak faith.... I say this based on PERSONAL experience and am not saying it's always the case.

If only there were more tolerance in this world it would be so much better.

 

[Mr. dB]

Religion is a sham.