Oral only for MASS?? Some advice PLEASE

[italiabrat]

I just want to say that genetics play a huge roll in ones mass gains! I unfortunately got the shit end of the stick with a very very fast metabolism. It has taking me FOREVER to get where I am at right now. I eat and eat and eat, I sleep pretty well (military affects this!) I have been training for about 3 years. I feel I look pretty good, but don't have it in me to get bigger than what I am with out a boost. My point is I am looking for an oral cycle for 6-8 weeks that will boost me over this hump. I did test cypioject with deca in high school to get me over my first hump and it worked very well for 8 weeks (kept about 75% of gains), but now I am stuck at 165 (walk-around-weight) 170 on a good day (more or less WATER) 4%bf @ 5'7" any help would be nice!

STATS:

22 Years old
165 lbs.
4-5% BF
5'7"
Shit genetics

Oral Cycle Only, stacked or not.

 

[eClenbuterol]

I just want to say that genetics play a huge roll in ones mass gains! I unfortunately got the shit end of the stick with a very very fast metabolism. It has taking me FOREVER to get where I am at right now. I eat and eat and eat, I sleep pretty well (military affects this!) I have been training for about 3 years. I feel I look pretty good, but don't have it in me to get bigger than what I am with out a boost. My point is I am looking for an oral cycle for 6-8 weeks that will boost me over this hump. I did test cypioject with deca in high school to get me over my first hump and it worked very well for 8 weeks (kept about 75% of gains), but now I am stuck at 165 (walk-around-weight) 170 on a good day (more or less WATER) 4%bf @ 5'7" any help would be nice!

STATS:

22 Years old
165 lbs.
4-5% BF
5'7"
Shit genetics

Oral Cycle Only, stacked or not.

While I don't like the idea of an oral stack, you're probably going to run it either way. This being said, you can try 6 weeks with dianabol+anavar+clenbuterol+arimixed and use this PCT stack.

Week 1-6:
Dianabol 30mgs/day
Anavar 20mgs/day
Arimidex 0.25mgs ED

It's not an optimal cycle (oral only never optimal), but if you're doing to run something effective and fairly safe, I would go with this.

 

[EZ_E]

Could be that there are other factors @ play here. Most of the time when someone thinks he is a "hard gainer" it's because diet and training are in dire need of work

What do you eat on a daily basis and how do you train?

~EZ

 

[Powerlifting57]

i feel your pain but oral only is a bad idea.

 

[empirebuilder]

Man bro 4-5 percent body fat now thats lean. I wouldnt be afraid to just run a six week cycle of d bol. Lots of guys do d bol for their first cycles. I know I did. If I could do it again I would have ran test with it.
EB

 

[2DIEZEL]

Common guys no d-bol only cycles. Most orals that put weight on you are just for kick starters and mainly water weight that you will loose when you come off.

 

[C.K.]

Common guys no d-bol only cycles. Most orals that put weight on you are just for kick starters and mainly water weight that you will loose when you come off.

I gained ten lbs on a 6 week winny ONLY cycle... just saying!

 

[informer112]

If you have shit genetics I recommend anavar with dbol or anavar with adrol for a mass cycle. You will get insane results.

 

[jstarr37]

quite running, eat more, sleep more.. eat 4000 cals a day and no running or jogging period.

 

[Powerlifting57]

I gained ten lbs on a 6 week winny ONLY cycle... just saying!

At what mg and were you drinking it or tabs?

 

[Ezekiel]

I just want to say that genetics play a huge roll in ones mass gains! I unfortunately got the shit end of the stick with a very very fast metabolism. It has taking me FOREVER to get where I am at right now. I eat and eat and eat, I sleep pretty well (military affects this!) I have been training for about 3 years. I feel I look pretty good, but don't have it in me to get bigger than what I am with out a boost. My point is I am looking for an oral cycle for 6-8 weeks that will boost me over this hump. I did test cypioject with deca in high school to get me over my first hump and it worked very well for 8 weeks (kept about 75% of gains), but now I am stuck at 165 (walk-around-weight) 170 on a good day (more or less WATER) 4%bf @ 5'7" any help would be nice!

STATS:



22 Years old
165 lbs.
4-5% BF
5'7"
Shit genetics

Oral Cycle Only, stacked or not.

w/ all due respect. You've been lifting for 3 years and your only 167lbs?

4-5% BF.. I doubt that for some reason. That is very very lean!

Can you post up your diet including all supps etc. And what you're weekly training looks like.

 

[C.K.]

At what mg and were you drinking it or tabs?

50 mgs a day i dont swallow i put it under my tongue

 

[Ronnie Coleman]

quite running, eat more, sleep more.. eat 4000 cals a day and no running or jogging period.

Exactly.

You are too unexperience for steroids. You need to take advantages of hardcore natural training first. After that, some powerful cycle can be obtained.

It is easiest to take steroids.

 

[Powerlifting57]

Exactly.

You are too unexperience for steroids. You need to take advantages of hardcore natural training first. After that, some powerful cycle can be obtained.

It is easiest to take steroids.

You dont even talk/type like ronnie!!!

 

[2DIEZEL]

50 mgs a day i dont swallow i put it under my tongue

How much did you keep?

 

[Powerlifting57]

How much did you keep?

I would say all of it, i have never heard of anyone loosing gains from a winny only cycle.

 

[C.K.]

How much did you keep?

Everything lb except the insane strength and pumps

 

[Mac173]

I have a fairly fast metabolism and a very low appetite so I need to make every meal count. I depend on alot of shakes(some people say whole food is better but I've always gotten my best results from relying an about a 50-60% shake diet) to get in my calories.

An example of a shake I would make:

16oz skim milk
1 scoop whey
2-3 tbsp Natty PB
1 c oats

Eat calorically dense foods to put on the weight. If yo can't put on the weight natty it's kinda pointless to start using. Plus at your weight you still have much unfulfilled potential.

 

[italiabrat]

Could be that there are other factors @ play here. Most of the time when someone thinks he is a "hard gainer" it's because diet and training are in dire need of work

What do you eat on a daily basis and how do you train?

~EZ

for 2 years I took the training light, pretty shredded right now, the past year I have been hitting it hard. 6 days a week 6-8 week cycles (different routines) to keep the body shocked. I eat more than my goat and donkey back home in texas! A lot of rice and sushi, fish, chicken vegis fruit, and always a salad with the dinner. I do live in japan so I do carb up on rice, (why not right!) It is easy to get a hold of b/c every time you turn around they offer you RICE!!! lol

 

[Gawd]

50 mgs a day i dont swallow i put it under my tongue

Thats what she said.

 

[italiabrat]

quite running, eat more, sleep more.. eat 4000 cals a day and no running or jogging period.

The thing is I am in the military, and my so called BOSS went crazy and makes us run for PT 5 days a week, but I am lifting heavy 6 days a week after work! It is hard to eat because I am always working so i rely on shakes, weight gainer (cyto gainer, true mass) for in-between-meals. I just got off a cycle of NOexplode which the new formal is a lot better than the first, but really only gave me a cracked out boost.

 

[italiabrat]

While I don't like the idea of an oral stack, you're probably going to run it either way. This being said, you can try 6 weeks with dianabol+anavar+clenbuterol+arimixed and use this PCT stack.

Week 1-6:
Dianabol 30mgs/day
Anavar 20mgs/day
Arimidex 0.25mgs ED

It's not an optimal cycle (oral only never optimal), but if you're doing to run something effective and fairly safe, I would go with this.

Along with the cycle you gave me, (thank you by the way!) as a PCT could I run nolva "during cycle" (what mg/day?) and liv 52 as a post treatment? I can't afford the PCT stack you posted

 

[bowly]

you probably burning more than you need to..try cutting the workouts to alternate days and see how it goes..having a shake at 6 am with vitamin c is good for cortisol control that mostly happen with ectos early morning..tbol var combo will give you tight retainable gains...but after the cycle you will say that it could have been better..

 

[italiabrat]

you probably burning more than you need to..try cutting the workouts to alternate days and see how it goes..having a shake at 6 am with vitamin c is good for cortisol control that mostly happen with ectos early morning..tbol var combo will give you tight retainable gains...but after the cycle you will say that it could have been better..

I understand, my first cycle a while ago was test/deca and had great gains. I am not expecting the same just a boost of maybe 10-15 lbs and good gains. I am stuck taking oral because of the location I am at.

 

[italiabrat]

Up

 

[mishuc2]

Hey, I'm running an oral only cycle tbol(60)+var(30) and get it from me, it HURTS, kidneys, liver, even stomach a bit, and this is on 10 pills of LIV 52 so trust me dude, if you are not a wuss like me, listen to the guys who say pin up and if your situation doesn't allow it since I take it you are in the army, just hold off on it a bit

 

[datamon]

4% bodyfat? How did you measure?

 

[ConanX]

4% bodyfat, 5'7, and 165lbs!? Damn bro, I should be taking advice from you! You must be rock solid...

My brother put on 20-something pounds without bloat or any gain in bodyfat using Beastdrol (aka superdrol) and Katanadrol (prohormone "tren", 4-chloro).

I used Beastdrol as a kickstart to my current cycle and so far I have gained 15lbs in 3 weeks. Bodyfat increased maybe 1% at the most, but I think I have less water retention.

I love Anavar but I don't know if it will give you the gains you the mass gains you want. Nothing gets me big like good old Testosterone. But if you can get a hold of Beastdrol, I recommend that. Some people have good success with Dianabol only cycles so you can always give that a try.

 

[skinsfan]

2 caps of tren-tfo and 2 caps of beastdrol everyday in the morning on an empty stomach. You won't be dissapointed.

 

[EZ_E]

Along with the cycle you gave me, (thank you by the way!) as a PCT could I run nolva "during cycle" (what mg/day?) and liv 52 as a post treatment? I can't afford the PCT stack you posted

PCT is every bit as important as the cycle. No PCT=No cycle....

Also, Liv52 should be run with an oral not after

 

[mohdgame]

I have read on a book that for Oral Steroids Anadrol is the most powerful, and with good diet (Raised Calorie Intake) and hard work in the GYM and proper PCT the gains wont all vanish and you'll keep some of them.

 

[italiabrat]

4% bodyfat, 5'7, and 165lbs!? Damn bro, I should be taking advice from you! You must be rock solid...

My brother put on 20-something pounds without bloat or any gain in bodyfat using Beastdrol (aka superdrol) and Katanadrol (prohormone "tren", 4-chloro).

I used Beastdrol as a kickstart to my current cycle and so far I have gained 15lbs in 3 weeks. Bodyfat increased maybe 1% at the most, but I think I have less water retention.

I love Anavar but I don't know if it will give you the gains you the mass gains you want. Nothing gets me big like good old Testosterone. But if you can get a hold of Beastdrol, I recommend that. Some people have good success with Dianabol only cycles so you can always give that a try.

I already have in order of 100 tabs on the way of d-bol, nova 4 weeks PCT and arimidex for sides (if any). I'm going to see if this works! also looking for a cycle of on the shelf products until my next cycle of gear...? any suggestions?