Approved Log First Cycle and longevity Log with Domestic-Supply.com

[Tomandjerry]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

 

[Demon_throne]

Easiest spot to pin

Pinning your lats bro.
Lats, chest quads ventral glutes delts. There my go to

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

Test is test at the end of the day, E,P,C,D or sus. It's all the same at the end of the day.

I feel test e, c done daily is best so smooth and keeps injection volumes low, especially so you can run insulin syringes

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

In my openion you've started using you should blast/cruise. Run products like hcg, hmg to keep fertility.

I think you would also benefit from running hgh as well.

Use bio identical compounds before pushing steroids. If I could go back I would do it this way.

Test
Hgh
Insulin

Yes insulin is scary but there are plenty of people here that can help guide you to do things safe


And welcome!!!

 

[Tomandjerry]

I only pin 1” since it’s delts. Would you recommend switching to 1.5 for lats, quad, and ventral glute? Start HGH 1 IU a day and work up to 2 IUs a day? I run HCG 250iu twice a week right now. Do I need to bump that up and/or start HMG? I’m not trying for kids right now, but would like them in the future. When I complete this first cycle, should I run pct or just lower weekly test to 150-200mg and continue with hcg

 

[Demon_throne]

I only pin 1” since it’s delts. Would you recommend switching to 1.5 for lats, quad, and ventral glute? Start HGH 1 IU a day and work up to 2 IUs a day? I run HCG 250iu twice a week right now. Do I need to bump that up and/or start HMG? I’m not trying for kids right now, but would like them in the future. When I complete this first cycle, should I run pct or just lower weekly test to 150-200mg and continue with hcg

I would suggest 3.33iu's hgh to start

I just use insulin pins everywhere I'm lean I don't need the big needles only time I use them is if my single dosage is over 1ml at a time

 

[the_alcatraz]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

you ripped bro welcome to EF

you get bloods before?

@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71

 

[Grumpy1]

Looking ripped man will be following along

 

[gar71]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

Welcome to EF brother , you’re looking in great shape already, so well done !! As @Demon_throne said, insulin pins, test and hgh are a great starting point and @the_alcatraz also mentioned blood work, which is real critical when on cycle. There are plenty of sites that show how to pin and the different sites you can use and sorry no pct advice from me, with 4 kids my baby days are over….
Anyway best of luck, you’ve made a great start , I’ll be following along

 

[Demon_throne]

Welcome to EF brother , you’re looking in great shape already, so well done !! As @Demon_throne said, insulin pins, test and hgh are a great starting point and @the_alcatraz also mentioned blood work, which is real critical when on cycle. There are plenty of sites that show how to pin and the different sites you can use and sorry no pct advice from me, with 4 kids my baby days are over….
Anyway best of luck, you’ve made a great start , I’ll be following along

The only reasons I can see to not use slin pins for injections are if you are fat or if the shots are over 1ml. It's for that reason for my upcoming cycle I've broken everything down to daily.

 

[Tomandjerry]

you ripped bro welcome to EF

you get bloods before?

@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71

Yes got baseline bloods a little over a year ago before starting enclomiphene and peptides. Check E2, total test, free test, and CBC every 4-8 weeks depending if I changed anything. I run a full panel every 6 months. Everything has looked good in the past, just got labs done a few days ago after being at 250mg for a few weeks before bumping up

 

[Tomandjerry]

The only reasons I can see to not use slin pins for injections are if you are fat or if the shots are over 1ml. It's for that reason for my upcoming cycle I've broken everything down to daily.

When you say insulin pin, do you mean something like a 1” 27g insulin pin?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Yes got baseline bloods a little over a year ago before starting enclomiphene and peptides. Check E2, total test, free test, and CBC every 4-8 weeks depending if I changed anything. I run a full panel every 6 months. Everything has looked good in the past, just got labs done a few days ago after being at 250mg for a few weeks before bumping up

Post them bloods up bro

 

[Tomandjerry]

Post them bloods up bro

The first 3 are from March 6 when I was just beginning to increase dose and was at 200mg/wk. The typewriter looking labs are from mid December 2025 and included some of the labs on there that weren’t on the March 6 ones. December labs I was still on enclomiphene and in the process of stopping enclo for test

 

[Tomandjerry]

Weekly Update

This week marks the start of tracking my calories and macros (previously was just mentally counting), began tracking on Sunday. After a couple weeks at 250mg/wk of Test, I bumped to 350mg/wk on Sunday to kick off the cycle, hence why I decided to lock in and physically track macros. I began 2 IUs of HGH last night, as some of you recommended it on this post and on others. I plan to run it 5 days a week for the next 4 weeks and assess from there if I want to increase the dose or keep as is/stop.

Calories & Macros:

• Daily calorie target: 2,200 kcal/day
• Weekly average(since Sunday): 155g carbs, 67g fats, 240g protein

Training Split:

• Push (chest emphasis)
• Pull (back emphasis)
• Legs
• Arms
• Repeat (rest days as needed)

Next Steps:

I’ll be introducing a detailed breakdown of my lifts in future updates. For now, the split remains a push-pull-legs-arms cycle.

Current Cycle:

• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250 units twice a week
• Reta: 2.5mg/week
• HGH: 2iu (5x/week)

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate
- Creatine 10g

Any and all advice is welcomed. I want to get the most out of my first cycle, the smart way. Have been listening to the podcast recently and it’s killer!

 

[Tomandjerry]

TD
Big shoutout to @domestic-supply.com for getting my test and hgh in. Unbelievably fast delivery, have placed 2 orders and both came in within 72h, if not faster. Finishing up an old vial of Test and will crack open DS’s Test next week. Hgh reconstituted clear and was an easy injection with no skin irritation. Looking forward to using up these vials and how my body responds.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Weekly Update

This week marks the start of tracking my calories and macros (previously was just mentally counting), began tracking on Sunday. After a couple weeks at 250mg/wk of Test, I bumped to 350mg/wk on Sunday to kick off the cycle, hence why I decided to lock in and physically track macros. I began 2 IUs of HGH last night, as some of you recommended it on this post and on others. I plan to run it 5 days a week for the next 4 weeks and assess from there if I want to increase the dose or keep as is/stop.

Calories & Macros:

• Daily calorie target: 2,200 kcal/day
• Weekly average(since Sunday): 155g carbs, 67g fats, 240g protein

Training Split:

• Push (chest emphasis)
• Pull (back emphasis)
• Legs
• Arms
• Repeat (rest days as needed)

Next Steps:

I’ll be introducing a detailed breakdown of my lifts in future updates. For now, the split remains a push-pull-legs-arms cycle.

Current Cycle:

• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250 units twice a week
• Reta: 2.5mg/week
• HGH: 2iu (5x/week)

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate
- Creatine 10g

Any and all advice is welcomed. I want to get the most out of my first cycle, the smart way. Have been listening to the podcast recently and it’s killer!

you looking good big unit
@Tomandjerry

with this test and hcg you got high e2 you have ai?

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[the_alcatraz]

TD
Big shoutout to @domestic-supply.com for getting my test and hgh in. Unbelievably fast delivery, have placed 2 orders and both came in within 72h, if not faster. Finishing up an old vial of Test and will crack open DS’s Test next week. Hgh reconstituted clear and was an easy injection with no skin irritation. Looking forward to using up these vials and how my body responds.

killed TD for Team D-S
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[JasonPriest]

TD
Big shoutout to @domestic-supply.com for getting my test and hgh in. Unbelievably fast delivery, have placed 2 orders and both came in within 72h, if not faster. Finishing up an old vial of Test and will crack open DS’s Test next week. Hgh reconstituted clear and was an easy injection with no skin irritation. Looking forward to using up these vials and how my body responds.

i'm very happy to hear this. nice review my man. domestic supply makes dreams come true !

 

[SteveMobsterG]

I suspect even using HCG staying on and not doing a PCT etc is a mistake. I'd like to see a fertility test report

 

[Tomandjerry]

you looking good big unit
@Tomandjerry

with this test and hcg you got high e2 you have ai?

Attached picture from bloods about a week ago, 4 days after last injection of 250mg/wk before starting 350mg/wk. DIM & Calcium D Glucarate were great at keeping my e2 low and within range when I was on enclomiphene for a year, so sticking to that method for now (along with the eod injections to keep sides stable). Get bloods done end of this month.

psyllium husk?

Don’t currently take any digestive enzymes, probiotics, or psyllium husk. Haven’t heard of psyllium husk before this forum, is this a health supplement you would definitely add in?
Thanks for the feedback

 

[Tomandjerry]

I suspect even using HCG staying on and not doing a PCT etc is a mistake. I'd like to see a fertility test report

Finishing up an old podcast (#222) on fertility. Don’t need fertility right now, but will need it in 5 years or so. I assume no point in getting a fertility test at the end of the cycle while still on test, best to wait til I do a pct protocol for a while and then test? Most of what I read and watch mentions to pct to save fertility, but of course there’s a mixed bag of everyone’s opinion on the right pct protocol.
PCT is the one part of my research that has never had a clear answer

 

[stevesmi]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

@Tomandjerry if you want to have kids and you want a cycle, the key is going to be keeping your cycle short. That's going to be the most important thing. If you're gonna stay on a TRT dose and cruise then that's not going to help your fertility.

 

[ceo]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

Bros, Tom and Jerry used to be one of my favorite cartoons growing up. Obviously you are a big fan. Good to see you on here. You should find more injection sites to pin because you don't want to depend on just a small amount of area as you'll develop scar tissue. @Tomandjerry

 

[Tomandjerry]

@Tomandjerry if you want to have kids and you want a cycle, the key is going to be keeping your cycle short. That's going to be the most important thing. If you're gonna stay on a TRT dose and cruise then that's not going to help your fertility.

So your advice is run a cycle, run pct protocol (about same duration as cycle), then rinse and repeat I take it? So cycle between a moderate blast (in my case) and pct. Is there any point in running a cruise dose of 150-200mg/week after finishing pct or in my case with keeping fertility in mind, should I only run test when I want to run a cycle.

 

[Tomandjerry]

Bros, Tom and Jerry used to be one of my favorite cartoons growing up. Obviously you are a big fan. Good to see you on here. You should find more injection sites to pin because you don't want to depend on just a small amount of area as you'll develop scar tissue. @Tomandjerry

Started pinning quads this week, but so many mixed reviews/stories about pinning quads that I’m not sure I’ll keep quads as an injection site consistently. Lots of recs on glute/ventral glute, do you recommend a certain spot or just “upper outer quadrant”

 

[Ulter]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

you'll get great results on domestic supply products. It's going to be a lot of fun following this. @Tomandjerry Just keep in mind HCG will only do so much. At the end of the day it's about how long you keep yourself shut down.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Attached picture from bloods about a week ago, 4 days after last injection of 250mg/wk before starting 350mg/wk. DIM & Calcium D Glucarate were great at keeping my e2 low and within range when I was on enclomiphene for a year, so sticking to that method for now (along with the eod injections to keep sides stable). Get bloods done end of this month.

Good bloods bro can’t argue

 

[the_alcatraz]

Don’t currently take any digestive enzymes, probiotics, or psyllium husk. Haven’t heard of psyllium husk before this forum, is this a health supplement you would definitely add

You should start taking digestive aids bro not expensive but important

 

[ROIDDERS]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

@Tomandjerry test cyp and test E are the same thing. The only difference is the half-life. It's literally a two-day difference so it's not even going to be affected by anything.

 

[Tomandjerry]

You should start taking digestive aids bro not expensive but important

Any one in particular or brand you recommend?

 

[koba]

So your advice is run a cycle, run pct protocol (about same duration as cycle), then rinse and repeat I take it? So cycle between a moderate blast (in my case) and pct. Is there any point in running a cruise dose of 150-200mg/week after finishing pct or in my case with keeping fertility in mind, should I only run test when I want to run a cycle.

If you want to help preserve your Fertility & Testicular size while on your cycle then take Hcg Monday, Wednesday, Friday or every second day for the entire time while you are on your cycle.

Taking Hcg in this way will also give you the best possible PCT outcomes when your cycle finishes.

After your PCT finishes if you choose to run a cruise dose of Testosterone then you will be running TRT which will then cut of your body's own natural supply of Testosterone which will render the reason why you did PCT in the first place obsolete.

I can give you further advice on these subjects if you like.

Feel free to message your Questions on here or to DM me.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Any one in particular or brand you recommend?

i buy amazon now nutrition bro

 

[stevesmi]

So your advice is run a cycle, run pct protocol (about same duration as cycle), then rinse and repeat I take it? So cycle between a moderate blast (in my case) and pct. Is there any point in running a cruise dose of 150-200mg/week after finishing pct or in my case with keeping fertility in mind, should I only run test when I want to run a cycle.

Yes but make sure you confirm things with sperm testing and blood work after each cycle in PCT.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

I am 26yo 6’3 218 in the beginning/middle of a cut, currently about 12/13% BF. Last cut got down to 204 in the Fall before bulking up to 240. I started testosterone about 2-3 months ago through an online clinic. Initially with 140mg/week subq, twice weekly injections (clinic’s directions). After about 3 weeks I switched to IM 200mg/week, twice weekly injections (I hated the subq oil nodules and knew eventually needed IM for higher volumes anyways.) I ran that for a month just make sure no sides, have always had clear skin so didn’t want acne flare ups by jumping the dose too quick. Started 250mg/week about 2 weeks ago, inject every 3-4 days. I only pin my side delts right now with a 27g 1”. Easiest spot to pin, and to be frank, have always been scared to do a quad IM and have heard ventral glute is real technical to pin correctly. I am looking at starting my first cycle with the idea of Test only and slowly titrate up every 4 weeks to see how I respond. I am running Test Cypionate, but forums and one of the ebooks someone linked on here talk more about Test-E.

Just looking to get advice as I’m clearly an amateur to this and want to focus on the longevity of staying on Test without blowing through bloodwork and having to completely off temporarily. I’ve seen mixed opinions on pct, I want to have kids eventually, so I currently run 250iu of HCG twice a week (and have done so since first starting test). I train 5-6 days a week, usually 6 days a week just depending on body and recovery. Most commonly run a variation of PPL with usually a 3 on 1 off split. Daily protein is averaging around 220. Some days I’m lower around 180 and will increase the following day’s protein to around 260. I have been training for about 11 years, with 8 of those years being intense training in a commercial gym and not just bsing my way through high school sports lifting.



I tried to put as much detail as I could to start this log off. The pictures I attached are towards the end of the last cut (September 2025).

Health Supplements:
-Vitamin K2+D3
- DIM 300mg
- multivitamin
-Fish Oil 1200mg
- Zinc Picolinate 30mg
- TUDCA 250mg
- NAC 600mg
- Calcium D-Glucarate (5x/week)

Topic summary:

1: Preferred injection site besides delts

2: First cycle recs/Test C vs Test E

3: Advice on PCT/just coming down to a TRT dose after - trying to save fertility

@Tomandjerry Great start to log.....pics are impressive......

 

[ceo]

Started pinning quads this week, but so many mixed reviews/stories about pinning quads that I’m not sure I’ll keep quads as an injection site consistently. Lots of recs on glute/ventral glute, do you recommend a certain spot or just “upper outer quadrant”

Bros, if your body is okay with those types of injections then go for it. You want to hit the peak part of the quad and avoid veins.

 

[Tomandjerry]

You want to hit the peak part of the quad and avoid veins.

What do you mean the peak part? Get a little pip from quad injections where if I have legs the next day I have to change workout schedule around to give it another day, but assume quads get used to it after a few injections in each thigh

 

[ceo]

What do you mean the peak part? Get a little pip from quad injections where if I have legs the next day I have to change workout schedule around to give it another day, but assume quads get used to it after a few injections in each thigh

bros hard to explain on here. but when you flex your leg you see that peak part of muscle that sticks out. pin that peak part without veins

 

[Tomandjerry]

I see what you’re saying, that’s where I inject. Going to experiment with ventro glute for the next couple shots and see how body tolerates that

 

[koba]

I see what you’re saying, that’s where I inject. Going to experiment with ventro glute for the next couple shots and see how body tolerates that

I use standard 27g 12.7mm Insulin syringes for all of my daily oil shot.
They cause the least amount of scar tissue & the oil draws easily.
I hit rear & lateral delts & the top outside of the upper quad muscle.
You are lean enough to use these Tomandjerry.
I would use a longer one for ventral glute though.

 

[Tomandjerry]

I’ll switch to 1/2” for delts and quads with slin pins. No more wasting 5 units worth of oil every injection with luer lock syringes

 

[Tomandjerry]

Weekly Update: 2

Body Stats
• Weight: 216
• Changes from last week: Calories increased due to low energy through workout

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein

Notes:
• Calories were previously 2,200 kcal the past couple weeks
• Increased to 2,400 kcal after noticing energy dropping during workouts
• Added cardio back in as I have been lazy the last few months with intentional cardio. 5x week 30min variation of LISS and HIIT (most LISS). Did an Ironman 70.3 December of 2024 so hard for me to go on walks or slow rides without wanting to pick up the pace.

Training Split: Began new program today
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest

Training notes:
• Completed 8 consecutive training days before Easter weekend because I knew slim odds I wouldn’t get the chance to lift.
• Took Friday–Sunday off from the gym due to traveling home, but played two rounds of golf and helped my brother move into his new house, so I wasn’t inactive by any means.
• I play an average of 3 rounds of golf a month, so I use that as additional LISS cardio
• Started using the Hevy app today to track workouts, as I saw it recommended on a different post. Began logging workouts today and will upload screenshots periodically
• My weight and rep ranges throughout my sets may seem odd where I may use lighter weight and do very slow negatives (3-5s), especially on dumbbell movements because I’d rather go super deep and hold the stretch for 1s before the eccentric movement. Just depends on what feels better that day, sometimes the pump is better throwing heavy weight around, other times slow and controlled feels better.

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU fasted AM (5x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Energy levels improved after increasing calories

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Added taurine, digestive enzymes, and psyllium husk based on recommendations from the forum

Recovery & Lifestyle
Sleep:
• Averaging about 7.5 hours per night
• Some nights 8.5–9 hours, some nights closer to 6.5 hours

Personal / life notes:
• Busy travel schedule lately
• Easter weekend spent back in hometown (~3 hours away)
• Upcoming two weddings over the next two weekends

Plan for weddings:
• Being realistic that some drinking will happen
• Prioritizing hydration and sleep where possible
• Planning to train at a local gym/hotel at least once during the weekend

Key Observations This Week
• Energy improved after increasing calories
• Training tracking now started with the Hevy app
• Recovery overall good despite travel and schedule

Wanted to give a shoutout and thanks to @koba for his personal guidance as well. Everyone on here, and on their own logs, makes this process smoother, safer, and more enjoyable.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Weekly Update: 2

Body Stats
• Weight: 216
• Changes from last week: Calories increased due to low energy through workout

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein

Notes:
• Calories were previously 2,200 kcal the past couple weeks
• Increased to 2,400 kcal after noticing energy dropping during workouts
• Added cardio back in as I have been lazy the last few months with intentional cardio. 5x week 30min variation of LISS and HIIT (most LISS). Did an Ironman 70.3 December of 2024 so hard for me to go on walks or slow rides without wanting to pick up the pace.

Training Split: Began new program today
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest

Training notes:
• Completed 8 consecutive training days before Easter weekend because I knew slim odds I wouldn’t get the chance to lift.
• Took Friday–Sunday off from the gym due to traveling home, but played two rounds of golf and helped my brother move into his new house, so I wasn’t inactive by any means.
• I play an average of 3 rounds of golf a month, so I use that as additional LISS cardio
• Started using the Hevy app today to track workouts, as I saw it recommended on a different post. Began logging workouts today and will upload screenshots periodically
• My weight and rep ranges throughout my sets may seem odd where I may use lighter weight and do very slow negatives (3-5s), especially on dumbbell movements because I’d rather go super deep and hold the stretch for 1s before the eccentric movement. Just depends on what feels better that day, sometimes the pump is better throwing heavy weight around, other times slow and controlled feels better.

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU fasted AM (5x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Energy levels improved after increasing calories

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Added taurine, digestive enzymes, and psyllium husk based on recommendations from the forum

Recovery & Lifestyle
Sleep:
• Averaging about 7.5 hours per night
• Some nights 8.5–9 hours, some nights closer to 6.5 hours

Personal / life notes:
• Busy travel schedule lately
• Easter weekend spent back in hometown (~3 hours away)
• Upcoming two weddings over the next two weekends

Plan for weddings:
• Being realistic that some drinking will happen
• Prioritizing hydration and sleep where possible
• Planning to train at a local gym/hotel at least once during the weekend

Key Observations This Week
• Energy improved after increasing calories
• Training tracking now started with the Hevy app
• Recovery overall good despite travel and schedule

Wanted to give a shoutout and thanks to @koba for his personal guidance as well. Everyone on here, and on their own logs, makes this process smoother, safer, and more enjoyable.

why your training in lbs aint you in AU?

@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71

 

[Grumpy1]

Love the detailed update
Im lost when it comes to lbs

 

[Tomandjerry]

why your training in lbs aint you in AU?

@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71

I’m in the US

 

[abolone]

Love the detailed update
Im lost when it comes to lbs

Really men use KG

 

[Tomandjerry]

Really men use KG

If I use lbs it’s a bigger number than using kgs. Helps add to the ego lol

 

[koba]

If I use lbs it’s a bigger number than using kgs. Helps add to the ego lol

I grew up using pounds & inches lol
Because I read hundreds of issues of muscle magazines like Joe weiders muscle builder magazine which later became Flex magazine!
My arms eventually got to 20" I have no idea what that is even in Cm lol don't care either because it was 20" lol
You are looking awesome in that picture brother! ️

 

[Tomandjerry]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 215
• Changes from last week: Back to back wedding weekends are brutal for progress

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Didn’t count over the weekend, but have hit within 5% margin this week so far

Notes:
• Had a wedding this past weekend for a best friend of mine so I had the rehearsal dinner Fridays and the wedding Saturday. To be honest, I drank more than I intended going into the weekend. But I had a feeling that would happen once I was surrounded by 20 college friends I haven’t seen in a while.
• I did do good about pounding water throughout the day and especially at night. Didn’t lift Friday, and it was travel day but 70% of my calories that day came from protein (minus the drinks, which I stuck to simple drinks with no sugar and didn’t do beer).
• Saturday I walked 2 miles, got a 50min lift in the hotel gym, and hit the sauna for 10min before meeting everyone to the begin the wedding day.
• Sunday was travel day (5.5 hour drive) and sleep deprived from the weekend so I didn’t lift that day either.
• Knew better than to check my bp Monday morning after a weekend of drinking and being sleep deprived still so started the week off with bp anxiety. Highest reading Monday was 165/72 and never read a top number below 152 that morning. BP was back to an avg reading this morning of 114/66 once my body was back to healthy. Exhibit A why drinking is unhealthier than steroids lol

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest

Training notes:
• Felt like crap in the gym Monday from the weekend and only slept 4h Sunday night somehow. I hit delts and arms but last 20% of the workout I definitely just went through the motions. Plus 1 hour of cardio (20min running, 40 walking)
• Tuesday was legs, decided to hit legs that morning fasted due to worried about bp so was just trying to cleanse the body. Hitting legs fasted is always a horrible idea for me. 4 sets of heavy squats and I’m cooked. Still managed to hit 3 sets of pendulum squats, 2 leg curls, and calves.
• Today was Push B, and I was back to feeling amazing in the gym. Workout attached. Plus 40min cardio (walking)

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 4IU before bed (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• For the calorie deficit I feel and look full in the mirror, getting leaner and maintaining strength
• Increased HGH from 2IU to 4IU

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Sleep:
• Averaged about 5 hours Friday-Sunday night
• I have gotten 9 hours of deep sleep the last 2 nights

Personal / life notes:
• Another wedding this weekend, but not on this one so just have to show up Saturday

 

[koba]

A really great update brother!
I love your honesty & you did super good pulling up from the wedding weekend!
I hope that you had a nice time, it's great to catch up with old friends & relax & unwind...
Now it's back to the grind!! ️
@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71

 

[Grumpy1]

Great update.you still hit the gym even though you had a busy wedding weekend.
Well done

 

[gar71]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 215
• Changes from last week: Back to back wedding weekends are brutal for progress

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Didn’t count over the weekend, but have hit within 5% margin this week so far

Notes:
• Had a wedding this past weekend for a best friend of mine so I had the rehearsal dinner Fridays and the wedding Saturday. To be honest, I drank more than I intended going into the weekend. But I had a feeling that would happen once I was surrounded by 20 college friends I haven’t seen in a while.
• I did do good about pounding water throughout the day and especially at night. Didn’t lift Friday, and it was travel day but 70% of my calories that day came from protein (minus the drinks, which I stuck to simple drinks with no sugar and didn’t do beer).
• Saturday I walked 2 miles, got a 50min lift in the hotel gym, and hit the sauna for 10min before meeting everyone to the begin the wedding day.
• Sunday was travel day (5.5 hour drive) and sleep deprived from the weekend so I didn’t lift that day either.
• Knew better than to check my bp Monday morning after a weekend of drinking and being sleep deprived still so started the week off with bp anxiety. Highest reading Monday was 165/72 and never read a top number below 152 that morning. BP was back to an avg reading this morning of 114/66 once my body was back to healthy. Exhibit A why drinking is unhealthier than steroids lol

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest

Training notes:
• Felt like crap in the gym Monday from the weekend and only slept 4h Sunday night somehow. I hit delts and arms but last 20% of the workout I definitely just went through the motions. Plus 1 hour of cardio (20min running, 40 walking)
• Tuesday was legs, decided to hit legs that morning fasted due to worried about bp so was just trying to cleanse the body. Hitting legs fasted is always a horrible idea for me. 4 sets of heavy squats and I’m cooked. Still managed to hit 3 sets of pendulum squats, 2 leg curls, and calves.
• Today was Push B, and I was back to feeling amazing in the gym. Workout attached. Plus 40min cardio (walking)

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 4IU before bed (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• For the calorie deficit I feel and look full in the mirror, getting leaner and maintaining strength
• Increased HGH from 2IU to 4IU

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Sleep:
• Averaged about 5 hours Friday-Sunday night
• I have gotten 9 hours of deep sleep the last 2 nights

Personal / life notes:
• Another wedding this weekend, but not on this one so just have to show up Saturday

Nice detailed update mate, it doesn’t hurt to let the hair down once in a while, weddings are great fun!!
Your sleep has improved and your training is back on point, keep killing it

 

[Tomandjerry]

Body Stats
• Weight: 215lbs = 97.522 kg
• Changes from last week: Back to back wedding weekend is finally over

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Didn’t track the weekend, but protein has been spot on with carbs closer to 140 most days and fats closer to 90. Bought chicken thighs that were way fattier than I thought when I bought them so f’d up the week’s meal prep.

Notes:
• Successfully kept drinking to a minimum Saturday night at the wedding, call that a win.
• Sleep was horrible over the weekend averaging about 4.5h Friday & Saturday, but bounced back with 9h last night.
• Travel day and rest day Friday.
• Whooped my brother in golf since he beat me over Easter weekend for the first time in my life and he made sure to tell everyone. Went to the gym after for a Push A day and then to the wedding.
• Sunday travel day and let body recover.
• For a wedding weekend, and only missing one training day (Sunday), I’ll take it.

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Thursday was Pull B & Posterior chain. I had the bright idea to go for a run with fast run/sprint intervals followed by walking that evening. Legs and esp hammys were torched. But sometimes you gotta push that VO2

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Prioritizing sleep all week

 

[koba]

Body Stats
• Weight: 215lbs = 97.522 kg
• Changes from last week: Back to back wedding weekend is finally over

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Didn’t track the weekend, but protein has been spot on with carbs closer to 140 most days and fats closer to 90. Bought chicken thighs that were way fattier than I thought when I bought them so f’d up the week’s meal prep.

Notes:
• Successfully kept drinking to a minimum Saturday night at the wedding, call that a win.
• Sleep was horrible over the weekend averaging about 4.5h Friday & Saturday, but bounced back with 9h last night.
• Travel day and rest day Friday.
• Whooped my brother in golf since he beat me over Easter weekend for the first time in my life and he made sure to tell everyone. Went to the gym after for a Push A day and then to the wedding.
• Sunday travel day and let body recover.
• For a wedding weekend, and only missing one training day (Sunday), I’ll take it.

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Thursday was Pull B & Posterior chain. I had the bright idea to go for a run with fast run/sprint intervals followed by walking that evening. Legs and esp hammys were torched. But sometimes you gotta push that VO2

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Prioritizing sleep all week

Fantastic update!
Your training split is on fire!
I like the Delts & Arms priority in there!
Sprints are awesome!
& you beat your brother at Golf!
Win win my bro ️
@the_alcatraz
@Demon_throne
@abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Grumpy1

 

[Tomandjerry]

Currently 13lbs/5.9kg heavier than I was at the end of my last cut and already look better imo. Definitely much fuller looking & strength is holding. Not quite as lean yet, but think within the next 2 weeks I’ll have my leanest look and hopefully at a 10lb/4.5kg heavier body weight.

 

[Tomandjerry]

Fantastic update!
Your training split is on fire!
I like the Delts & Arms priority in there!

Prioritizing arms has definitely been an emphasis of mine for the last 12 months or so. I’m tall with long orangutan arms so adding thickness has always been a grind. Doesn’t help that for 80% of my training career I never used a dedicated arm day. But no excuses now

 

[koba]

Prioritizing arms has definitely been an emphasis of mine for the last 12 months or so. I’m tall with long orangutan arms so adding thickness has always been a grind. Doesn’t help that for 80% of my training career I never used a dedicated arm day. But no excuses now

May I ask how you train your Arms on that day? Which exercises do you use etc
Do you superset? Straight sets? Etc
& on your alternate days for upper?
I'd like to help you nail this brother
I'm also tall with Orangutan arms & I know that the struggle is real!
I have always prioritised my arms.
I never used site injections, synthol or other fillers a fact that I'm proud of, as I know that the use of it is rampant.
You can easily add 2 or 3 inches to your arms with it.. but I really do consider that cheating + it's the journey, pain, achievement of training them to get huge, now that's the big payout in my books.

I eventually got mine to 20" cold with Forearms 14.5" around
Atm they are 18" cold with 14" Forearms this is on a wrist that measures 7" around
These are some pics of my arms at their peak

 

[Allupfromhere]

Body Stats
• Weight: 215lbs = 97.522 kg
• Changes from last week: Back to back wedding weekend is finally over

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Didn’t track the weekend, but protein has been spot on with carbs closer to 140 most days and fats closer to 90. Bought chicken thighs that were way fattier than I thought when I bought them so f’d up the week’s meal prep.

Notes:
• Successfully kept drinking to a minimum Saturday night at the wedding, call that a win.
• Sleep was horrible over the weekend averaging about 4.5h Friday & Saturday, but bounced back with 9h last night.
• Travel day and rest day Friday.
• Whooped my brother in golf since he beat me over Easter weekend for the first time in my life and he made sure to tell everyone. Went to the gym after for a Push A day and then to the wedding.
• Sunday travel day and let body recover.
• For a wedding weekend, and only missing one training day (Sunday), I’ll take it.

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Thursday was Pull B & Posterior chain. I had the bright idea to go for a run with fast run/sprint intervals followed by walking that evening. Legs and esp hammys were torched. But sometimes you gotta push that VO2

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 250IU EOD
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 1200mg
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Prioritizing sleep all week

Arms looking sharp as fuck brother

 

[Tomandjerry]

This is my current split that I started about 3 weeks ago @koba
Teach me the ways of 20” arms

 

[the_alcatraz]

Currently 13lbs/5.9kg heavier than I was at the end of my last cut and already look better imo. Definitely much fuller looking & strength is holding. Not quite as lean yet, but think within the next 2 weeks I’ll have my leanest look and hopefully at a 10lb/4.5kg heavier body weight.

u hella ripped legend daymn

 

[Tomandjerry]

u hella ripped legend daymn

Appreciate it Want to get those wings like you have

 

[koba]

This is my current split that I started about 3 weeks ago @koba
Teach me the ways of 20” arms

Ok! ️
So since your priority is arms we are going to use something that I call a Pre-exhaust superset.
Which is doing a set of an isolation exercise before immediately doing a set of a compound exercise.
What this does is it pushes the first muscle being worked further past the point of momentary muscular failure by other muscles assisting the first muscle worked to do this.
So on your PUSH A WORKOUT, you wil do your overhead cable tricep extensions in Superset fashion with your machine chest press or weighted dips.
The weight that you use on the dips or machine press might suffer a bit at first but as your arms get even bigger & stronger, I find that the weights on both exercises catch up quickly.

On your PULL A WORKOUT do your Ez bar curls superset with weighted pull-ups or neutral grip pulldowns.
Also superset your Incline dumbell curls with Standing Alternate Hammer curls.

On your DELTS & ARMS day add for Forearms & Arms at the end of your workout add -
3 giant sets (all back to back sets no rest like in the superset)
Of -
3 × Seated Barbell reverse wrist curls
3 × Seated Barbell wrist curls
3 × Zottman curls

Then finish off with -
3 × Cable tricep pushdown superset with -
3 x Cable reverse grip tricep pushdowns

Measure your arms on the same day cold (no pump) in the morning on the same day each week & record it.
This way we can see how your ARMS are responding & make any adjustments (this will be dietary adjustments not any training adjustments just yet)

Also what do you do for your Pre/Intra & Post workout nutrition?

 

[Tomandjerry]

3 giant sets (all back to back sets no rest like in the superset)
Of -
3 × Seated Barbell reverse wrist curls
3 × Seated Barbell wrist curls
3 × Zottman curls

Then finish off with -
3 × Cable tricep pushdown superset with -
3 x Cable reverse grip tricep pushdowns

For the 3 giant sets, am I hitting a set of each like a triple superset and then taking like a 1min break before the next triple superset or am I essentially hitting 9 sets back to back to back.
My pre is usually a banana and a quick carb like a rice krispy treat or rice cake and honey if I have rice cakes on hand. Don’t use an intra workout, I would during growth phases but never have on cuts.

 

[koba]

For the 3 giant sets, am I hitting a set of each like a triple superset and then taking like a 1min break before the next triple superset or am I essentially hitting 9 sets back to back to back.
My pre is usually a banana and a quick carb like a rice krispy treat or rice cake and honey if I have rice cakes on hand. Don’t use an intra workout, I would during growth phases but never have on cuts.

Yup that's it brother, 1 min rest between supersets & giant sets.
That's sounds good to me brother!

 

[Tomandjerry]

I’ve got arm day in 2 days so I will let you know if my arms fall off haha. Looking forward to the grind, thanks for the advice goat! @koba

 

[Tomandjerry]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

 

[the_alcatraz]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

arms and chest are ripped fromt he superset bro

 

[stevesmi]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

@Tomandjerry really good to see this update. I like the supplement list; it's good to see what people are using.

 

[ceo]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

Bros, hell of a job on this. I like the recovery and lifestyle update too. Averaging 7.5 hours a night is not bad. @Tomandjerry

 

[zurk]

Looking mad bro killing it

 

[Tomandjerry]

@Tomandjerry really good to see this update. I like the supplement list; it's good to see what people are using.

I try to include everything I’m taking whether peds/peps/supps etc because I know when I was just scrolling forums and getting serious about hopping on gear I wanted to know all the nuance details of different guys’ cycles to mitigate any side effects/health risks. And now even mid cycle it’s great to have experienced guys like yourself to recommend supps or tell what supps are a waste

 

[Tomandjerry]

arms and chest are ripped fromt he superset bro

Thanks bro, just need to work on actual poses now

Bros, hell of a job on this. I like the recovery and lifestyle update too. Averaging 7.5 hours a night is not bad. @Tomandjerry

Used to run on 5h/night like it was nothing, those days are long gone now

Looking mad bro killing it

Appreciate that!

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

So I would NOT go to the gym to do that. Too many end up training when they are supposed to be resting

 

[gar71]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

Great update @Tomandjerry on your way to arms like @koba

 

[ROIDDERS]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

Eight hours a night looks fantastic. But yeah when you eat late, your body has to digest that food so that can definitely affect your sleep. Maybe try eating two hours prior. @Tomandjerry

 

[2Thick]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

might want to look into DSIP. It won't help you sleep longer, which isn't what you need anyway. @Tomandjerry but it will help you sleep deeper so 7.5 hours of sleep will feel like 12 hours of sleep.

 

[abolone]

@koba the OG when he speaks u listen!

How was the arm workout bro? Remember rich piana 8hr arm workout hahahaha

 

[Ulter]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

@Tomandjerry the training split looks fantastic if you ask me. Really good work on this. No major side effects is a good thing.

 

[Tomandjerry]

Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

So I would NOT go to the gym to do that. Too many end up training when they are supposed to be resting

I definitely used to be that guy, but my rest days now truly are recovery & mobility. I don’t touch a weight (because once I do I turn it into a workout), it’s really 15min of foam rolling and dynamic stretches for hip flexors and low back followed by 30min of LISS and some stretching at the end. For how active I am outside of the gym, being stiff isn’t an option

 

[Tomandjerry]

Eight hours a night looks fantastic. But yeah when you eat late, your body has to digest that food so that can definitely affect your sleep. Maybe try eating two hours prior. @Tomandjerry

I normally have a 2-3h window from my last meal before I sleep, but the late night cheat on the diet tossed that out the window. Definitely notice the sleep impact when I eat close to bed

might want to look into DSIP. It won't help you sleep longer, which isn't what you need anyway. @Tomandjerry but it will help you sleep deeper so 7.5 hours of sleep will feel like 12 hours of sleep.

I have been back and forth on whether to give DSIP a try, I’ll trial run and see how it affects my sleep score and how I feel. Thanks for the recommendation

 

[Tomandjerry]

@koba the OG when he speaks u listen!

How was the arm workout bro? Remember rich piana 8hr arm workout hahahaha

Arms looked huge while training, was definitely a great pump. I have yet to try the 8 hour rich arm day, but he definitely had some of the freakiest mass monster arms. Still an all time favorite

@Tomandjerry the training split looks fantastic if you ask me. Really good work on this. No major side effects is a good thing.

Keep the sides off and continue the push

 

[abolone]

Arms looked huge while training, was definitely a great pump. I have yet to try the 8 hour rich arm day, but he definitely had some of the freakiest mass monster arms. Still an all time favorite

Keep the sides off and continue the push

He was a mass monster hey!!!?
Rip KING

 

[koba]

@koba the OG when he speaks u listen!

How was the arm workout bro? Remember rich piana 8hr arm workout hahahaha

Peeps have added inches to their arms with the old 8hr workout lol

 

[koba]

He was a mass monster hey!!!?
Rip KING

He was a lot of synthol & pmma fillers unfortunately too

 

[koba]

Weekly Update
Body Stats
• Weight: 214.4lb=97.3kg
• Changes from last week: N/A

Calories & Macros:
• Daily calorie target: 2,400 kcal/day
• Macros: 210g carbs, 67g fat, 240g protein
• Let the diet slip hard last night. First crashout binge and ended up in about a 1k surplus. Not upset because the body honestly needed it, I haven’t given myself any true cheat meals or regress due to the weddings and I considered the alcohol my cheat meal. Put it to use this morning with some fasted cardio and a brutal arm day (thanks for the extra torture Koba)

Notes:
• Rest day and mobility day at the gym tomorrow

Training Split:
• Push A
• Pull A
• Lower A
• Delts & Arms
• Push B
• Pull B & Posterior Chain
• Rest (more as needed)

Training notes:
• Most intense leg day of the year yesterday, back and hips felt great so time to grow the tree trunks again
• Injected 600mg of L-Carnatine pre workout today as the first time trying L-Carnatine. I’ve had it sitting on my dresser for probably 3 months and finally decided to give it a try. Is it worth the added injection? Have a similar debate with Glutathione as I have only used it a few times

Current Cycle:
• Test Cypionate: 350mg/week (100mg every other day)
• HCG: 500IU EOD (was previously 250)
• Reta: 3mg/week
• HGH: 2IU before bed, 1.3IU AM (6x/week)
• Glow: 2mg/400mcg/400mcg

Cycle notes:
• No major side effects to report
• Strength is maintaining, stronger on some days

Health Supplements:
• Vitamin K2 + D3
• DIM 300mg
• Multivitamin
• Fish Oil 2.4g
• Zinc Picolinate 30mg
• TUDCA 250mg
• NAC 600mg
• Calcium D-Glucarate 500mg
• Psyllium Husk 3g
• Taurine 2g
• Creatine 10g
• Digestive Enzymes

Updates:
• Hit the final boss of arm supersets as recommended by @koba . I’d by lying if I said I hit all 3 sets of the wrist curls, I tapped out on those after the first set and just turned it into the dual superset because my forearms were already torched since I haven’t hit forearm focused exercises in a couple years honestly. But my arms felt like balloons at the end of my workout, the added carbs from last night’s mini binge helped fuel all the volume

Recovery & Lifestyle

Sleep:
• Averaging 7.5h/night
• Last night’s sleep wasn’t the best restorative sleep due to eating bs late at night

Personal / life notes:
• Finally a weekend home. Looking forward to getting a weekend that isn’t ruined by poor sleep and late nights. I live at the beach so a good pump and a beach day is a hard Saturday to beat

You are looking Awesome brother!
You should be proud!
Just want to say that you are an inspiration to me, I've now borrowed your workout split & changed it up a little for me, I can't wait to try it out, starting on it today

 

[Tomandjerry]

You are looking Awesome brother!
You should be proud!
Just want to say that you are an inspiration to me, I've now borrowed your workout split & changed it up a little for me, I can't wait to try it out, starting on it today

Hell yeah, love feeding info off each other. Glad I was able to give you a new idea with all the knowledge you have been providing me

 

[Tomandjerry]

Got bloods from this week. Total test maxes out at 1500 ng/dl and Free Test maxes out at 327 pg/ml on this test. Primarily just use it for estrogen and health parameters.
Going to start taking Calcium D Glucarate 2x/day to help with estrogen but with the plan of upping test in the next couple weeks, I think the inevitable jump to an ai is the next step as Test will go from 350mg/wk to 400-450mg. Thoughts on starting dose to not crash e2 off rip

 

[koba]

Got bloods from this week. Total test maxes out at 1500 ng/dl and Free Test maxes out at 327 pg/ml on this test. Primarily just use it for estrogen and health parameters.
Going to start taking Calcium D Glucarate 2x/day to help with estrogen but with the plan of upping test in the next couple weeks, I think the inevitable jump to an ai is the next step as Test will go from 350mg/wk to 400-450mg. Thoughts on starting dose to not crash e2 off rip

Bruv if the last pic that you posted is a recent one & those bloods coincide with it. If I were you I wouldn't be changing anything unless you are feeling like total crap from the estrogen. But if you aren't, then in that pic you don't have enough fluid retention on you to justify lowering you estro.
Estrogen is good for growth, health, mood etc & is necessary for the Hgh that you are taking to be working properly (Igf1)

 

[Tomandjerry]

Estrogen is good for growth, health, mood etc & is necessary for the Hgh that you are taking to be working properly (Igf1)

Perfect, I know once your test levels are high you go more off the test:e2 ratio than just the e2 number by itself. The pic was from yesterday’s arm day after a huge cheat meal the night before so I was feeling watery that day as is and as you said still didn’t look like I was holding much. I’ll just bump the calcium d Glucarate to twice a day to just give that extra metabolism of the estrogen but will hold off a the ai.
Never seen it that high so was a little nervous it was too high, but of course this is the first time running 350mg. Just placed an order of anavar to try out for the month of May. Split into 2 12.5mg doses

 

[koba]

Perfect, I know once your test levels are high you go more off the test:e2 ratio than just the e2 number by itself. The pic was from yesterday’s arm day after a huge cheat meal the night before so I was feeling watery that day as is and as you said still didn’t look like I was holding much. I’ll just bump the calcium d Glucarate to twice a day to just give that extra metabolism of the estrogen but will hold off a the ai.
Never seen it that high so was a little nervous it was too high, but of course this is the first time running 350mg. Just placed an order of anavar to try out for the month of May. Split into 2 12.5mg doses

Def go the glucarate, it won't hurt anything. If you start getting watery drop me a line so that we address it.
Var will work like a charm it's a good addition to that dose of test & yes split the dose through the day/night. Doing Orals in that way gives better overall saturation in the blood for better continuous effects

 

[the_alcatraz]

Got bloods from this week. Total test maxes out at 1500 ng/dl and Free Test maxes out at 327 pg/ml on this test. Primarily just use it for estrogen and health parameters.
Going to start taking Calcium D Glucarate 2x/day to help with estrogen but with the plan of upping test in the next couple weeks, I think the inevitable jump to an ai is the next step as Test will go from 350mg/wk to 400-450mg. Thoughts on starting dose to not crash e2 off rip

your estrogen too high bro add eq to the mix

@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71

 

[Grumpy1]

Bloods not to bad e2 is on the higher side but if your not experiencing any sides should be ok

 

[Tomandjerry]

your estrogen too high bro add eq to the mix

I added eq to my order with the var because I was thinking the same instead of an ai to lower e2. Plan was to keep upping dosages of test so was thinking a little eq to increase weekly gear total and help lower the estrogen

 

[koba]

I added eq to my order with the var because I was thinking the same instead of an ai to lower e2. Plan was to keep upping dosages of test so was thinking a little eq to increase weekly gear total and help lower the estrogen

Can do that bro since you are already getting it. Nothing wrong with EQ it's a good anabolic with low sides.
I wouldn't go too high with the dose in your case though.
I don't see estrogen as being too much of a problem with you right now.
I've run gear with having huge estro levels, its only an issue if you get mental, sides, big time bloated, high B.P
In your case I'm guessing that you want to look big, ripped & aesthetic ️ which you currently do with your estro at those levels so right now you are gtg brother

 

[koba]

Got bloods from this week. Total test maxes out at 1500 ng/dl and Free Test maxes out at 327 pg/ml on this test. Primarily just use it for estrogen and health parameters.
Going to start taking Calcium D Glucarate 2x/day to help with estrogen but with the plan of upping test in the next couple weeks, I think the inevitable jump to an ai is the next step as Test will go from 350mg/wk to 400-450mg. Thoughts on starting dose to not crash e2 off rip

I would address your T3 first brother.
Being low like this is very common amongst Aas & Hgh use at ped doses it lowers it too much it's almost a given in most cases. I'll reply to your msg now brother we can get both the estro if you are worried about it & the T3 sorted.
@Grumpy1 @abolone @Demon_throne @gar71 @Allupfromhere

 

[Tomandjerry]

I would address your T3 first brother.
Being low like this is very common amongst Aas & Hgh use at ped doses it lowers it too much it's almost a given in most cases. I'll reply to your msg now brother we can get both the estro if you are worried about it & the T3 sorted.

Always appreciate you for taking the time out, looking forward to how much the physique will transform by the end of the year