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Bizzle75

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Here's the lowdown. I ran a cycle of 19-nor, 4-ad and 5-alpha test in October. For PCT I just used arom-x, nolvadren and mass hgh, my libido crashed all through PCT In December I got a bottle of HCGenerate my nuts felt fuller, but my libido still didn't come back. I got blood done approx 3 weeks ago:

total test 604 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 4.4 mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 2.8 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 28.9 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6

I've got a little bit of libido back, but it takes a lot of work to get a hard on. My boys also still feel slightly shrunken.

I reached out to needtogetaas, he recommended:
Weeks
1-4 Phytoserm-347 1 cap am 1 cap pm
1-4 formastanzol 5 pumps am 5 pumps pm
4-6 formastanzol 3 pumps am 3 pumps pm

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I placed the order for both products tonight. Love or hate what I used is in the past is irrelevant, a lot of us end up in this situation and I figure this log will be useful to any who may be in the same situation.

A little about me, I work midnight shifts (I'm a cop) so my am and pm is opposite of everybody else. I, for the most part, follow IF Leangains style of eating. I also try to eat as paleo as possible. My workouts are extremely varied, I go to a crossfit gym and do WOD's as well as lift on my own.

Other supplements to be used:
Multi-Vit
Fish oil
BCAA 15 min pre-wo
Jacked micro or DS craze pre-wo
iForce Compete during workout
True nutrition postworkout blend (30g hydrolyzed whey pro & 60g carbs 50/50 dextrose maltodextrin mix)
ZMA before bed

I have some USP test powder, bulk supersap, and bulk 1-carboxy on hand. Not sure yet if I will be using any. Strongly considering including the test powder, as gaining HPTA function/increasing test is my primary concern, over a strict product evaluation. I've still got a few days until everything gets here, so I'm open to suggestions.

I'm about 170lbs and fairly lean (7-8%bf) I'll take and post some pictures tomorrow, as I will be documenting external physiological changes as well as internal (downstairs) changes. I'll also try and put up my daily food intake as well as workouts, should anyone be interested, and pending having enough time. I also plan to get more bloods done at either 4 or 6 weeks to see where I'm at, again open to suggestions.

So wish me luck fellas, fire questions at will. Last, but not least, BIG thanks to needtogetaas for taking the time to help me.
 
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Forma Stanzol and Phytoserm 347 are the real deal! I'm just over a week in and its been a complete reversal. Libido is coming back along with morning woods. Nuts are back to full size, and overall I just feel great. I've leaned out some and vascularity has improved as well. Definitely pumped to see what the next 5 weeks have in store.
 
Outstanding my friend... What matters most is that you are getting back to normal as I promised. It is this that I love for my friend and I hope to be able to continue to help you for many years to come.
 
Hey all. Does anyone have any experiance of otc AIs like PES Erase Pro used during and following a cycle.

Stuff like Arimidex very hard to come by in UK

Ta.

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2tickets said:
Hey all. Does anyone have any experiance of otc AIs like PES Erase Pro used during and following a cycle.

Stuff like Arimidex very hard to come by in UK

Ta.

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Not sure if I would rely on them. Chrysin is usually taken at 500mg. It's absorption may be helped by bioperine or Lysophosphatidyl Choline if you can find it. the herb damiana can help as boost ANTI-aromatase activity.
I would use Diindolylmethane to help metabolize the estrogen that is already estrogen in the body. I've been using 2 200mg tabs daily.
As people have been saying the D-aspartic acid can also help kickstart testosterone production.

Also you can look into 99% l-dopa powder (Mucuna Puriens) if high prolactin levels are also an issue
 
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Ah brilliant, thanks for that........time to go hunting in all the health food shops lol!

Do places like gnc stock those sorta stuff?

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Have you come across Esto suppress before also? I used it while cycling on pro hormones ie t100 & hemadrol and have a tub left over which is going out of date. Active ingredient is (z)-1-(dimethylaminoethoxyphenyl)-1,2-diphenyl-1-butene. 10mg per serving.

Any use during an anabol.cycle of 40mg for 6wks or junk?

Apologies for all the questions.

Cheers

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Man, I really slacked on the updates. I apologize, I don't get emails when people respond to the post. I checked it a few times after I first posted and there weren't any responses or views, so I figured nobody gave a shit!

My 6 week run has concluded and my libido is better than ever. I am having one issue, but, I'll address that in a minute. Everything started to kick in around the 10 day mark. Before that I would have days where I felt good, then a day were I felt shitty again. By 10 days in Testes got back to full size, blood flow to the member increased and morning woods returned. So many supps claim to give you an "alpha" feeling, that I've never really picked up on, until now. Definitely by 2 weeks in I felt indestructible. I could function on less sleep, more intensity in the gym and vascularity went crazy. Just had that little extra swagger in my step. Most importantly my performance in the sack was at its finest. Rock solid hard-ons, massive loads and major staying power. After months of feeling worthless and not knowing what to do about it, I finally feel like myself again. And its a great feeling.

Only negative side effect was acne. It's annoying and unattractive, but it definitely lets you know the product was working. I didn't just get a few either, I got several on my face as well as multiple on my back and chest. So keep your skin care on point.

On to the slight problem. I've been off of forma-stanzol for a few days and I seem to have had an estrogen rebound. I've got a small painful-to-the-touch lump at the top of my left nipple. I've still got some forma left, and was thinking about going back on it for another week at 3 pumps 2x per day to see if that clears up. But, I'm open to other suggestions as well.

I can't thank Needtogetaas enough for the product recommendations and dosing protocol. Without his help, who knows how down and out I'd be right now. I once again apologize for not updating, honestly if I knew somebody was actually reading, I would have. I picked up a bottle of bridge on that killer 40% deal that NBTM had a few weeks ago.(They've got a customer here for life!) So I'll be trying that out next, hopefully it'll keep me on the right track. I'll post up at least bi-weekly reviews to make up for my previous lack of posting.
 
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Update!

Things seem to be starting to backslide here. Its really all just happened in the last 3 or 4 days. I still have the small, hard, painful lump at the top of my left nip. My libido has also taken a dive . Noticing morning woods haven't been as frequent, and overall I have just sort of started to "feel" the way I did before I begun with forma and 347. (not as horny, not as hard when it is up). I had been sick and was taking Sudafed up until yesterday. I've read that pseudoephedrine can cause some ED issues, so I have ceased using it. I have also been under an enormous amount of stress and pressure all week, fortunately that will be over with tomorrow. I'm taking both things into consideration, but regardless, I'm concerned and want to head off the problem before it grows out to what it was before. I was hoping to ween myself off of any kind of supplements that influence hormonal levels for at least a few months. It looks like I'm not going to be able to do that just yet.

So here is my re-vamped game plan:
Weeks 1-3(ish)- Forma-Stanzol 3 pumps 2x daily (I say "ish"because it could be more or could be less, I'm just going to run the rest of the bottle I have until it goes dry)
Weeks 1-6- PES Erase 1 pill first thing when I wake up 1 approx 8 hours later
Weeks 1-8- Bridge 1 pill 3x daily spread evenly through the day
Weeks 1-6*- Supersaponins 2g morning 2g pre bed
Weeks 1-6-* 1-carboxy 800mg pre bed

*I may bump these down to 4 weeks depending on how I'm feeling, I don't like flooding my system with so much. Not sure if its even necessary, I just have it on hand. Any imput?

I'm not really sure why I'm backtracking, nor am I happy about it. Hopefully Needtogetaas or someone else can chime in as to the cause, as well as evaluate and/or tweak my game plan.
 
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I'm going to get some blood work done to find out what's going on. I'm going to get bloods on: estradiol, FSH, LH, Test and prolactin. Should I get progesterone or anything else checked as well?
 
Bizzle75 said:
I'm going to get some blood work done to find out what's going on. I'm going to get bloods on: estradiol, FSH, LH, Test and prolactin. Should I get progesterone or anything else checked as well?
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The female hormonal panel should be enough but if you wanna add some other stuff it wouldn't hurt.
 
Went for blood work today, I got estradiol, FSH, LH, test, prolactin and progesterone checked. I should have the results in a day or two. I didn't use forma or any other supps for 24 hours prior to the test, so hopefully nothing will be skewed.
 
Got my Bloodwork results back already...

4/8/13
Total Testosterone563 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 2.2 mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.2 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 36.6 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6
Prolactin 6.6 ng/ml Ref 4.0-15.2
Progesterone 1.0 ng/ml Ref 0.2-1.4


Initial Blood Results from 1/11/13 (before forma-stanzol and phytoserms)
Total Testosterone 604 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 4.4 mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 2.8 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 28.9 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6

My testosterone, LH and FSH are disappointingly low after everything I have used, and for being on Bridge. My estradiol looks high, and I'm guessing it was even higher a week or so ago, before I started taking Erase. I'm unsure why my results are worse than where they were months ago. I didn't have progesterone or prolactin checked last time, so I have no baseline to compare.

Thoughts on what I should do? Obviously something to stimulate LH and decrease estrogen. Maybe Clomid 25mgs ED for 4-6 weeks? I've got an AI with Erase I've been using 75mgs/Day, maybe I should increase it, then when it runs out use D-Spark and pick up unleashed/post cycle.

Are my prolactin and progesterone numbers ok? Or should they be brought down as well?
 
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Bizzle75 said:
Hopefully somebody will get a chance to advise me soon.
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Sorry bro I just looked at your results. The main issue I see is estrogen here. Test looks fine, Lh and fsh aren't great but I believe they will recover in time. Prolactin and progestin aren't too bad either. I wouldn't get too aggressive with it. Maybe a low dose of caber if you want. So what I'd do is run some dspark, daa, continue bridge, low dose adex 0.5 eod for a week then 0.25 eod to e3d. You can throw caber in at 0.25 mg twice a week if you want. Id run that for a few weeks. I wouldn't worry about clomid at this point. I feel the most important thing is lowering the estrogen and then letting your body recover on its own.
 
joeblow12345 said:
Sorry bro I just looked at your results. The main issue I see is estrogen here. Test looks fine, Lh and fsh aren't great but I believe they will recover in time. Prolactin and progestin aren't too bad either. I wouldn't get too aggressive with it. Maybe a low dose of caber if you want. So what I'd do is run some dspark, daa, continue bridge, low dose adex 0.5 eod for a week then 0.25 eod to e3d. You can throw caber in at 0.25 mg twice a week if you want. Id run that for a few weeks. I wouldn't worry about clomid at this point. I feel the most important thing is lowering the estrogen and then letting your body recover on its own.
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10-4, thanks, I really appreciate it. The place I get my research chems is outta caber, so ill just go at it with the adex for now. I'll place an order for ntbm dspark, daa and bridge. Should I go 3 servings of dspark or 2?
 
Is there a glitch on the NTBM site? I've ordered from you guys several time before no problem, but when I tried to check out today it says we do not currently ship to zip code entered. Like I said, I've ordered before and I live in TX, so I'm not sure what the problem could be.
 
Bizzle75 said:
Is there a glitch on the NTBM site? I've ordered from you guys several time before no problem, but when I tried to check out today it says we do not currently ship to zip code entered. Like I said, I've ordered before and I live in TX, so I'm not sure what the problem could be.
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Sometimes the site has issues. Once in a while I can't even get on the site . Not sure what the issue is but it usually doesn't last long. So I'd give it a little while and try again.
 
Bizzle75 said:
10-4, thanks, I really appreciate it. The place I get my research chems is outta caber, so ill just go at it with the adex for now. I'll place an order for ntbm dspark, daa and bridge. Should I go 3 servings of dspark or 2?
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I'd start with 3 servings for a couple of days and drop it down to two when you start to notice an improvement. Like I said you wanna lower the estrogen and slowly work yourself off of everything so your body can take over on its own.
 
So Im 3 weeks in, currently running .25 mg adex e3d with 2 servings of dspark and daa daily. I'm seeing huge fluctuations, one day ill have morning woods/spontaneous woods, and be horny as hell. Then maybe 2 days later back to feeling like complete shit with nothing. Any ideas wth is going on? I am beyond frustrated.
 
Bizzle75 said:
So Im 3 weeks in, currently running .25 mg adex e3d with 2 servings of dspark and daa daily. I'm seeing huge fluctuations, one day ill have morning woods/spontaneous woods, and be horny as hell. Then maybe 2 days later back to feeling like complete shit with nothing. Any ideas wth is going on? I am beyond frustrated.
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drop the DAA and just run the d-spark bro. You do not need all that DAA. I would be running forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm not adex too.
 
Bizzle75 said:
Got my Bloodwork results back already...

4/8/13
Total Testosterone563 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 2.2 mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.2 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 36.6 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6
Prolactin 6.6 ng/ml Ref 4.0-15.2
Progesterone 1.0 ng/ml Ref 0.2-1.4


Initial Blood Results from 1/11/13 (before forma-stanzol and phytoserms)
Total Testosterone 604 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 4.4 mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 2.8 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 28.9 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6

My testosterone, LH and FSH are disappointingly low after everything I have used, and for being on Bridge. My estradiol looks high, and I'm guessing it was even higher a week or so ago, before I started taking Erase. I'm unsure why my results are worse than where they were months ago. I didn't have progesterone or prolactin checked last time, so I have no baseline to compare.

Thoughts on what I should do? Obviously something to stimulate LH and decrease estrogen. Maybe Clomid 25mgs ED for 4-6 weeks? I've got an AI with Erase I've been using 75mgs/Day, maybe I should increase it, then when it runs out use D-Spark and pick up unleashed/post cycle.

Are my prolactin and progesterone numbers ok? Or should they be brought down as well?
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Your levels are all in the mid high range how is this a disappointment?
Prog and estrogen is high and I would say this could be from the bridge and the way your body converts things right now. Also DAA can raise these two which is why D-spark and forma-stanzol is a good combo.

Seeing these test my advice now would be to just come off everything and give your self 2-3 weeks of clean time now bro. IMO you are in the clear pretty much and now just give your body time to reach normal homeostasis on its own. Taper down off anything you are on now and give your self clean time.
 
Bizzle75 said:
10-4, thanks, I really appreciate it. The place I get my research chems is outta caber, so ill just go at it with the adex for now. I'll place an order for ntbm dspark, daa and bridge. Should I go 3 servings of dspark or 2?
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I know Nathan set you straight already but did you say you're managing with Adex as a substitute for caber? I hope you're aware they're not at all similar drugs and used for completely different reasons.
 
Jack steel said:
I know Nathan set you straight already but did you say you're managing with Adex as a substitute for caber? I hope you're aware they're not at all similar drugs and used for completely different reasons.
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No, joeblow recommended adex and said I could use caber, but it was optional.
 
needtogetaas said:
Your levels are all in the mid high range how is this a disappointment?
Prog and estrogen is high and I would say this could be from the bridge and the way your body converts things right now. Also DAA can raise these two which is why D-spark and forma-stanzol is a good combo.

Seeing these test my advice now would be to just come off everything and give your self 2-3 weeks of clean time now bro. IMO you are in the clear pretty much and now just give your body time to reach normal homeostasis on its own. Taper down off anything you are on now and give your self clean time.
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I'm disappointed because my testosterone, lh and fsh are all lower than before starting everything months ago. And my estrogen is higher. I agree giving myself clean time is a good idea, I tried doing it after the forma stanzol and a week later everything went downhill. I do feel better on days I take the adex, it seems like its the day before my next dose when I feel shitty again.
 
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Bizzle75 said:
I'm disappointed because my testosterone, lh and fsh are all lower than before starting everything months ago. And my estrogen is higher. I agree giving myself clean time is a good idea, I tried doing it after the forma stanzol and a week later everything went downhill. I do feel better on days I take the adex, it seems like its the day before my next dose when I feel shitty again.
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I meant to answer you sooner. As far as the symptoms go that is where the adjustments come in. If you need to go eod or Ed on adex then do so. With your blood work back in normal ranges I agree that maybe its time to just let your body walk on its own. You also have to realize that being on for a long time means its gonna take a while to recover to your new normal. And I say new normal because once you step over to the dark side there is no going back ever. You will never be like you were before you started. That's why I always tell people to make sure this is what they really want. Once you cross that line the damage is done. With a solid pct and recovery plan you can return to some sense of normalcy, but it will never be like it was before.
 
joeblow12345 said:
I meant to answer you sooner. As far as the symptoms go that is where the adjustments come in. If you need to go eod or Ed on adex then do so. With your blood work back in normal ranges I agree that maybe its time to just let your body walk on its own. You also have to realize that being on for a long time means its gonna take a while to recover to your new normal. And I say new normal because once you step over to the dark side there is no going back ever. You will never be like you were before you started. That's why I always tell people to make sure this is what they really want. Once you cross that line the damage is done. With a solid pct and recovery plan you can return to some sense of normalcy, but it will never be like it was before.
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We should all do a little more to make sure people know this.. BTW Steroid addiction is real too. I have seen the science and prof first hand. But at least its one of the better addictions to have :cool:
 
Thanks again for the help fellas, I'm gonna work down to tapering myself off everything in the next week. Ill go clean for 2 weeks and get some more blood work done.
 
So update from me, I've dropped everything except the adex and some 1-carboxy before bed for prolactin. I've found that if I do e3d with the dex my drive crashes and it takes a few doses eod to get me back. So I'm gonna go with .25 eod until I feel good consistently for a week or 2 then work my way to e3d and then all the way off.
 
Got some new bloodwork.

Total Testosterone 388 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 3.0mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.3 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 18.5 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6

I cut my e2 in half, which I'm pretty happy about. But my testosterone was almost cut in half as well. My LH went up about .8 and my FSH went up .1. I'm not sure why my test has taken such a nose dive. Should I let it be? Or would taking something like hcgenerate be beneficial?
 
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Bizzle75 said:
Got some new bloodwork.

Total Testosterone 388 ng/dl Ref 348-1197
LH 3.0mIU/ml. Ref 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.3 mIU/ml Ref 2-12.4
Estradiol 18.5 pg/ml Ref 7.6-42.6

I cut my e2 in half, which I'm pretty happy about. But my testosterone was almost cut in half as well. My LH went up about .8 and my FSH went up .1. I'm not sure why my test has taken such a nose dive. Should I let it be? Or would taking something like hcgenerate be beneficial?
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You seem to be doing fine. I'd let it be and allow your body a chance to work on its own. Even though your test dropped it is within normal ranges so that's a good thing. I'd give it some time to see where it levels out after a few months. Then if you want to run a natty stack with hcgenerate, phytoserm, or the new test no17 you can.
 
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