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24 years old First cycle 100 eod test prop 8 weeks

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ecto2mass

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stats 24 years old, 180lbs 15% bodyfat, 6ft 1

within two years my goal is 230lbs 7% bf.

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the pic in blue shorts he was 195lbs id say 7%bf.

first cycle test prop 100eod for 8 weeks. will the prop give me dry hard muscle mass results like the pic, looking to get to 205 lbs at 15% bf.

second cycle test prop with tren a for 8 weeks , goal loose 15lbs fat gain 5 lbs muscle mass, results 195lbs 7% bf

please critique
 
so thats you on the left in the first pic?

you are very raw, i would not recommend steroids right now. need to build up your conditioning and get your diet in check. no such thing as get rich quick schemes and no such thing as short cuts in fitness.

need to build up a base for a few years. no way you have been working out very long. your legs are way too skinny, gotta hit the legs harder. get set up on a dedicated training program and give it time
 
No that's not him bro

The guy holding a cig is a famous BBer who died (imagine that)


To the OP, at 180 and 15% bf you would be ok to start a cycle if you were maybe 5'7'' but you are 6'1'' bro, so you don't really have a base. Steve here is way shorter and as heavy as you. I'm 3'' shorter than you and almost 30 pounds heavier...

My point is, you need to get your training in order, and start eating right before you look to juice. It isn't a shortcut. All you are gonna do is throw money down the drain man, don't learn the hard way like so many of us did
 
stevesmi said:
so thats you on the left in the first pic?

you are very raw, i would not recommend steroids right now. need to build up your conditioning and get your diet in check. no such thing as get rich quick schemes and no such thing as short cuts in fitness.

need to build up a base for a few years. no way you have been working out very long. your legs are way too skinny, gotta hit the legs harder. get set up on a dedicated training program and give it time
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omg need to build a base lol thats not me that guy had one of the most aesthetic bodys in the world, he did multiple cycles to get the body in that pic btw.

thats the look i want fitness model type , not massive bb arnold look.
 
bigbassturd said:
No that's not him bro

The guy holding a cig is a famous BBer who died (imagine that)


To the OP, at 180 and 15% bf you would be ok to start a cycle if you were maybe 5'7'' but you are 6'1'' bro, so you don't really have a base. Steve here is way shorter and as heavy as you. I'm 3'' shorter than you and almost 30 pounds heavier...

My point is, you need to get your training in order, and start eating right before you look to juice. It isn't a shortcut. All you are gonna do is throw money down the drain man, don't learn the hard way like so many of us did
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i take it u know all about the zyzz story, he cycled at 19 , put on 60lbs lean mass in 2 years. it worked for him and he was small when he did his first cycle,
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ yeah i get it you want to look like zyzz, all the young dudes want to.. i was thinking you were the guy on the left posing with him.

confusing post .. OP if thats not you in the first pic next to zyzz can you post up a pic of yourself then?
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sorry i miss read your post, no i want to live his fitness life style (not smoking drugs tho) , i want to create an aura when i walk into a room, if i go somewere i want my name to be remembered. having an aesthetic shredded body changes your whole life.
 
stevesmi said:
how is he doing now?
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sadly passed , drugs and alcohol mixed with steroids in a sauna with a dodgy heart (he had a heart problem since he was born)

anyway bro heres a pic of me.

first cycle want to do 100 eod test p for 8 weeks want to gain 20 lbs lean mass.
 
^^^ okay well zyzz learned the hard way that short cuts don't work. you can make all the excuses for him you want.. he had a heart problem, he mixed this with that.. he was in a sauna. give me a fucking break bro. there are guys who do things the right way and never drink, smoke, do drugs, or anything that hurts their body.. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE you should idolize.

not sure why you think you are ready to juice and that you will somehow go anywhere without your diet and training ..

do you even workout now? looking at your pic i would say you do not. and i'm not being a smart ass I am telling you the truth.

now guess what? when i was younger i was just as skinny as you, maybe even skinnier. i worked out 13 years before i touched steroids.

now if you are 100% serious and want to do things the right way i have 2 links in my signature below.. one is a 3 day workout split.. its generic and easy to follow and its fun IMO. and also i have a bulking diet.. follow both of those for the next 2 years and dedicate yourself and you will look like a new person

don't juice without a base, i am warning you.. it doesn't work man and it backfires 100% of the time
 
Not trying to offend you but you don't look like you even lift man

You ever heard of the Stronglift 5X5 program?
 
i look like a skinny kunt, none taken. been training on and off, heres my routine for when i start my cycle and my diet will be clean working on it atm counting macros ill post it later when its done




Monday: Chest & Calves
o 4 sets of incline dumbbell press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of bench press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of incline flies, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of chest dips until failure
o 2 sets of standing calf raises until failure
o 2 sets of donkey calf raises until failure

Tuesday: Legs
o 4 sets of squats 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of leg press
o 3 sets of leg extensions
o 3 sets of stiff-legged deadlifts suppersetted with leg curls

Wednesday: Biceps & Triceps
o 4 sets of chin-ups suppersetted with barbell curls
o 3 sets of 21's
o 3 sets of close-grip bench press
o 4 sets of pulldowns
o 3 sets of skullcrushers

Thursday: Shoulders
o 4 sets of miliatary press suppersetted with lateral raises
o 3 sets of upright rows
o 3 sets of front raises
o 3 sets of lying rear delt raises

Friday: Back
o 3 sets of wide grip chins until failure
o 4 sets of deadlifts
o 3 sets of bent over rows
o 3 sets of T-bar rows

thats zyzz just before he did his first cycle he was 6ft 1 160lbs !
 
ecto2mass said:
i look like a skinny kunt, none taken. been training on and off, heres my routine for when i start my cycle and my diet will be clean working on it atm counting macros ill post it later when its done




Monday: Chest & Calves
o 4 sets of incline dumbbell press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of bench press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of incline flies, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of chest dips until failure
o 2 sets of standing calf raises until failure
o 2 sets of donkey calf raises until failure

Tuesday: Legs
o 4 sets of squats 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of leg press
o 3 sets of leg extensions
o 3 sets of stiff-legged deadlifts suppersetted with leg curls

Wednesday: Biceps & Triceps
o 4 sets of chin-ups suppersetted with barbell curls
o 3 sets of 21's
o 3 sets of close-grip bench press
o 4 sets of pulldowns
o 3 sets of skullcrushers

Thursday: Shoulders
o 4 sets of miliatary press suppersetted with lateral raises
o 3 sets of upright rows
o 3 sets of front raises
o 3 sets of lying rear delt raises

Friday: Back
o 3 sets of wide grip chins until failure
o 4 sets of deadlifts
o 3 sets of bent over rows
o 3 sets of T-bar rows

thats zyzz just before he did his first cycle he was 6ft 1 160lbs !
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Sounds like you're gonna do what you wanna do regardless of the advice you are getting from the top people on this board. I'm goning to have to agree with Stevesmi you dont even look like you have ever touched a weight in your life and you feel steroids is the answer to your goals...dead wrong. I know a lot of people that thought your way and paid the price (in a bad way) follow Stevesmi advice and workout plan, hit the gym hard and get your diet in check before you touch an AAS. Idolizing someone who is no longer with us becase they didnt do it the right way is the wrong way to go. And as far as creating an aura when you walk in the room that has nothing to do with what you look like...its how you present yourself and act with others..you are extreamly immature in your thought process.
 
i respect your opinion. but im doing it anyway. you have told me no and in the future i may look back and say shit why didnt i listen to the wise guy whos been there done that but thats life we all make a decision and this is a massive one for me.

with clean 500 cal surplus diet and the workout i posted, ( my diet and training will have to be spot on )

cycle 1 - test prop 100mg eod for 8 weeks

should i run adex and hcg for this particular cycle ?

pct - i have read loads but people say different things , clomid ? or clomid + nolva also with hcg ?
 
ecto2mass said:
i respect your opinion. but im doing it anyway. you have told me no and in the future i may look back and say shit why didnt i listen to the wise guy whos been there done that but thats life we all make a decision and this is a massive one for me.

with clean 500 cal surplus diet and the workout i posted, ( my diet and training will have to be spot on )

cycle 1 - test prop 100mg eod for 8 weeks

should i run adex and hcg for this particular cycle ?

pct - i have read loads but people say different things , clomid ? or clomid + nolva also with hcg ?
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You have no idea what you're doing.

Stop being a retard and think about your long term health.

Sent from my SCH-I500 using EliteFitness
 
ecto2mass said:
i respect your opinion. but im doing it anyway. you have told me no and in the future i may look back and say shit why didnt i listen to the wise guy whos been there done that but thats life we all make a decision and this is a massive one for me.

with clean 500 cal surplus diet and the workout i posted, ( my diet and training will have to be spot on )

cycle 1 - test prop 100mg eod for 8 weeks

should i run adex and hcg for this particular cycle ?

pct - i have read loads but people say different things , clomid ? or clomid + nolva also with hcg ?
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Why are you even still asking our opinion on what you should do its not like you will listen., we can tell you no Nolva but if you read it somewhere that Zyzz took it then your gonna do that anyway...right???? You seem to know it all and have figured it out yourself so far I think you can get the PCT too.
 
bigbassturd said:
You have no idea what you're doing.

Stop being a retard and think about your long term health.

Sent from my SCH-I500 using EliteFitness
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as an example true story my auntie, never smoked or drank , was fit went running, healthy lifestyle, had 3 kids husband BOOM DIED OF CANCER AT 45.

my point is life is too short and we all die, steroids is a risk ? so is getting into a car , you could die.
 
Here's another true story for you, people live to be 100 fucking years old every day.

You are immature and still have that bullshit 'everything is handed to me' mindset.
 
bigbassturd said:
Here's another true story for you, people live to be 100 fucking years old every day.

You are immature and still have that bullshit 'everything is handed to me' mindset.
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why would i want to sit in a hospital bed for 20 years being spoon fed at 80 pissing myself , no life. live fast die young.

tell me in the 2 years zyzz put on 60lbs of muscle mass and looked like a god. did steroids play a part in it all ? he woudnt of looked any were near what he did if he was natural.
 
Wow... this thread is upsetting... WHY COME HERE IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO LISTEN???? I don't understand. Bro you are WAY to immature to run a cycle... you are going to run it, gain about 5 lbs of water.. and then when you crash during PCT you aren't gonna go to the gym for 4 months. I guarantee it. Check out Criminal10dinc or whatevers post and realize... he sound exactly like you. You are in for a rude awakening.
On the good side.. you will probably be so crippled by the prop you will probably stop after your 1st pin.
 
ecto2mass said:
why would i want to sit in a hospital bed for 20 years being spoon fed at 80 pissing myself , no life. live fast die young.

tell me in the 2 years zyzz put on 60lbs of muscle mass and looked like a god. did steroids play a part in it all ? he woudnt of looked any were near what he did if he was natural.
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Guess what... zyzz may have been been the exception... You don't think thousands of kids do the exact same thing and go nowhere??? If everyone who did steroids at 160lbs ended up like him that would be a different story. but no... Less than 1% do.
 
JoeBlob said:
Guess what... zyzz may have been been the exception... You don't think thousands of kids do the exact same thing and go nowhere??? If everyone who did steroids at 160lbs ended up like him that would be a different story. but no... Less than 1% do.
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thats becuase zyzz had the balls and didnt listen to the scare tactics, also would 6ft 3 7% bf 230 lbs look shredded and lean ?
 
dude lets cut to the chase you won't look anywhere close to zyzz after running prop for 8 weeks.. and you will still look like you never worked out in your life.

you just still don't get the concept that it takes years to build a base. raw muscle is different than a man who is well conditioned hence why you see a jacked 17 year old next to a jacked 40 year old who are the same exact height/weight/body fat but the 40 year old looks like he could snap the 17 year old in half. you are comparing someone who has been working out for 2 years vs. someone working out for 20 years.

its not that the steroids are gonna be dangerous and kill you, thats not what we are saying .. (yeah you will probably fuck your hormones up because you don't know how to pct etc but it won't kill you) however what we are saying is it won't do anything for you and you won't get anywhere. this isn't the popeye cartoon where you take spinach and magically grow muscle instantly. you have a lack of understanding of what steroids do. you look at zyzz and say "damn i want to look like him and get girls etc" so you run off and want to take whatever he took.. its downright laughable to everyone on here, if you would logically think this over you would agree but you are thinking too irrationally right now
 
JoeBlob said:
Wow... this thread is upsetting... WHY COME HERE IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO LISTEN???? I don't understand. Bro you are WAY to immature to run a cycle... you are going to run it, gain about 5 lbs of water.. and then when you crash during PCT you aren't gonna go to the gym for 4 months. I guarantee it. Check out Criminal10dinc or whatevers post and realize... he sound exactly like you. You are in for a rude awakening.
On the good side.. you will probably be so crippled by the prop you will probably stop after your 1st pin.
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zyzz said to 50/50 with grapeseed reduce pin pain. U MAD? lol jkin look im gunna do it im gunna research about it.

test prop will give me lean gains goal to add 15-20 lbs lean dry muscle mass.

then 2nd cycle ill add tren a
 
this thread has to be a joke. the pic you posted i looked at again and there is no way that is a 24 year old's body. looks like an 11 year old boy in that pic.

zyzz said huh? did he talk to you as a ghost?

will you atleast follow in criminals footsteps and post up a vlog on youtube so we can follow your ahem progress?
 
ecto2mass said:
why would i want to sit in a hospital bed for 20 years being spoon fed at 80 pissing myself , no life. live fast die young.

tell me in the 2 years zyzz put on 60lbs of muscle mass and looked like a god. did steroids play a part in it all ? he woudnt of looked any were near what he did if he was natural.
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I think this statement says it all. SMH.....
 
stevesmi said:
dude lets cut to the chase you won't look anywhere close to zyzz after running prop for 8 weeks.. and you will still look like you never worked out in your life.

you just still don't get the concept that it takes years to build a base. raw muscle is different than a man who is well conditioned hence why you see a jacked 17 year old next to a jacked 40 year old who are the same exact height/weight/body fat but the 40 year old looks like he could snap the 17 year old in half. you are comparing someone who has been working out for 2 years vs. someone working out for 20 years.

its not that the steroids are gonna be dangerous and kill you, thats not what we are saying .. (yeah you will probably fuck your hormones up because you don't know how to pct etc but it won't kill you) however what we are saying is it won't do anything for you and you won't get anywhere. this isn't the popeye cartoon where you take spinach and magically grow muscle instantly. you have a lack of understanding of what steroids do. you look at zyzz and say "damn i want to look like him and get girls etc" so you run off and want to take whatever he took.. its downright laughable to everyone on here, if you would logically think this over you would agree but you are thinking too irrationally right now
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bb forum look at zyzz first post skinny kunt, got hated on got called gay for what he looked like, he STUNNED not one person would of thought he would achieve that.
 
ok lets rewind a few years , hi im zyzz 6ft 1 ecto 160lbs 19 years old, btw his first cycle was 100mg eod test p for 8 weeks.

what would u say ?

........ fast foward a few years hes 210 7% shredded and has inspired millions of teens to workout, he achieved all of this two years.
 
stevesmi said:
and that pic you put up isn't someone who is 180 pounds either. even at 6 foot you would be 140 pounds tops, maybe not even.

if you are gonna troll atleast make it realistic.
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no troll, i lied i am 18 years old b day is in july. 6ft 3 , 180lbs 15% bf.

i said i was 24 becuase i didnt want to argue about being two young.
 
ecto2mass said:
ok lets rewind a few years , hi im zyzz 6ft 1 ecto 160lbs 19 years old, btw his first cycle was 100mg eod test p for 8 weeks.

what would u say ?

........ fast foward a few years hes 210 7% shredded and has inspired millions of teens to workout, he achieved all of this two years.
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when i was 14 i was 5 5 115 pounds. was a weakling. went out for football and got laughed at.

4 years later i was county champion in weightlifting, had a football state championship ring, a D1 football scholarship .. and i did it without steroids.

so whats your point? we all were skinny when we were kids, its actually easier to go from ectomorph as a teen to bodybuilder as an adult because high metabolism can work to your advantage.

you do realize zyzz worked out and ate well right? he didn't just take steroids
 
ecto2mass said:
no troll, i lied i am 18 years old b day is in july. 6ft 3 , 180lbs 15% bf.

i said i was 24 becuase i didnt want to argue about being two young.
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yeah well you are 18 and what have you been doing the past 4 years exactly? you have a weightlifting team at school and a free gym. why weren't you in there busting your ass like i was at your age? i even went in during summer break and worked out, there were probably 20 of us that would come in
 
im going to the gym to lift mon-fri



Monday: Chest & Calves
o 4 sets of incline dumbbell press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of bench press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of incline flies, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of chest dips until failure
o 2 sets of standing calf raises until failure
o 2 sets of donkey calf raises until failure

Tuesday: Legs
o 4 sets of squats 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of leg press
o 3 sets of leg extensions
o 3 sets of stiff-legged deadlifts suppersetted with leg curls

Wednesday: Biceps & Triceps
o 4 sets of chin-ups suppersetted with barbell curls
o 3 sets of 21's
o 3 sets of close-grip bench press
o 4 sets of pulldowns
o 3 sets of skullcrushers

Thursday: Shoulders
o 4 sets of miliatary press suppersetted with lateral raises
o 3 sets of upright rows
o 3 sets of front raises
o 3 sets of lying rear delt raises

Friday: Back
o 3 sets of wide grip chins until failure
o 4 sets of deadlifts
o 3 sets of bent over rows
o 3 sets of T-bar rows

and i said id post my diet later it takes time to calculate all the macros.
 
stevesmi said:
yeah well you are 18 and what have you been doing the past 4 years exactly? you have a weightlifting team at school and a free gym. why weren't you in there busting your ass like i was at your age? i even went in during summer break and worked out, there were probably 20 of us that would come in
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Wasting your time..this kid prob is getting a hard on from all the responses hes getting. this is prob the most attention he's gotten in a long while. I'm done here..Im not going to justify this thread any longer.
 
ecto2mass said:
im going to the gym to lift mon-fri



Monday: Chest & Calves
o 4 sets of incline dumbbell press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of bench press, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of incline flies, 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of chest dips until failure
o 2 sets of standing calf raises until failure
o 2 sets of donkey calf raises until failure

Tuesday: Legs
o 4 sets of squats 8-10 reps
o 3 sets of leg press
o 3 sets of leg extensions
o 3 sets of stiff-legged deadlifts suppersetted with leg curls

Wednesday: Biceps & Triceps
o 4 sets of chin-ups suppersetted with barbell curls
o 3 sets of 21's
o 3 sets of close-grip bench press
o 4 sets of pulldowns
o 3 sets of skullcrushers

Thursday: Shoulders
o 4 sets of miliatary press suppersetted with lateral raises
o 3 sets of upright rows
o 3 sets of front raises
o 3 sets of lying rear delt raises

Friday: Back
o 3 sets of wide grip chins until failure
o 4 sets of deadlifts
o 3 sets of bent over rows
o 3 sets of T-bar rows

and i said id post my diet later it takes time to calculate all the macros.
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Copy and pasting a work-out plan means nothing you fool.
 
wasting decent ppls time by asking advice an throwing it back in ther face wen they could be helping sum1 who genuinely wants help troll or no troll get to fuk
 
^^^ i'm not gonna give you advice on AAS because you have to be 21.

also lying to a mod on here is a bannable offense.. don't ever do that again, you are only screwing yourself.

let me ask you again though because i am genuinely curious. you outlined a workout routine.. so why the fuck aren't you doing that already? you should have started working out years ago. 14-15 is a good age that every guy should be hitting the weight room. at your age you already have high levels of T and your hormones are raging.. YOU SHOULD ALREADY BE WORKING OUT..
 
badboybounce said:
wasting decent ppls time by asking advice an throwing it back in ther face wen they could be helping sum1 who genuinely wants help troll or no troll get to fuk
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i am honestly not trolling i want help. but its hard when im 180lbs 18 years old at 6ft 3.

i new what reaction id get, dont do it, too young omg lift natty you skinnt kunt steroids dont do anything bull crap.

1.) test p 100mg eod. when and how much to inject per day ?

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stevesmi said:
^^^ i'm not gonna give you advice on AAS because you have to be 21.

also lying to a mod on here is a bannable offense.. don't ever do that again, you are only screwing yourself.

let me ask you again though because i am genuinely curious. you outlined a workout routine.. so why the fuck aren't you doing that already? you should have started working out years ago. 14-15 is a good age that every guy should be hitting the weight room. at your age you already have high levels of T and your hormones are raging.. YOU SHOULD ALREADY BE WORKING OUT..
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sorry look i am serious, i have been lifting since 13, i got a weight set for my b day , but my diet has been shit my whole life, i have a car now and a well payed job for my age so i can afford to buy the food for this clean diet.

can i speak 1 on 1 private i really am serious and have a few questions regarding my cycle, i dont want to annoy people anymore in this thread it wasnt my intention i just want some answers.
 
^^ at this point you are wasting everyones time..

when you are ready to put down the idea of steroids and want to fix your diet then hop over to the diet and weightlifting sub forums and post on there.

you are not allowed to ask for advice on AAS at 18.. and even if you were old enough you do not have the necessary base to juice.. no different than someone too fat would be told to lose weight first.. you post on here again you are banned, you PM someone and ask for advice on AAS use you are banned.

we have excellent diet and weight training forums.. USE THEM.

i already referred you to my signature below
 
don't blow your load early bro. stay natural. Roids aren't some magical substance that cures everything. its a powerful drug that can mess you up for the rest of life if ran correctly. Learn about perfecting your diet and experiment with different training programs and challenge yourself to get gains naturally. Keep a log book of all lifts and measurements and of your diet. Then later on if u add a cycle of test and proper pct it will pay off so much more. No reason to rush man I promise, I'm 6'2 and I waited until I was 220 and 25 years old before I did a cycle. And that was after years of research.

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at 5'7 and 17years old I was bigger than you due to a big caloric diet and hard training without any supplements example creatine,whey,multivitamins or aas, but hey if your gonna do the cycle regardless then its trial and error and go hard with the test prop,but dont expect to be doing all them sets you have in mind let alone train 100% cause without a base you wont have experience and strengh to overcome injection pains, but whatever I see it alot now a days just kids juicing and getting plump then back to being small fatties and not training as much in other words just a bunch of wanna be toys!
 
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