Is cutting on your first cycle a waste?

[reecebrahh]

My stats are 23, 5,11, 10% bf, I'm ready to do my first cycle, I actually got hit with bunk gear and just found out by bloods, only thing is now I'm ready to cut and everyone says your first is the best, I wanna run 500mg of test for 12 weeks, I want to start now so I can see how I react so I can run something better nxt cycle to bulk, so is it worth running some test while I'm cutting to see how I react or wait till I'm bulking again ?, truth be told I was preparing to run test/tren nxt cycle untill I found out my test was bunk..
Sorry for the spewl thanks team!

 

[reecebrahh]

Weight 88kg sorry

 

[joeblow12345]

You can cut or bulk on test.

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[infraredline]

My stats are 23, 5,11, 10% bf, I'm ready to do my first cycle, I actually got hit with bunk gear and just found out by bloods, only thing is now I'm ready to cut and everyone says your first is the best, I wanna run 500mg of test for 12 weeks, I want to start now so I can see how I react so I can run something better nxt cycle to bulk, so is it worth running some test while I'm cutting to see how I react or wait till I'm bulking again ?, truth be told I was preparing to run test/tren nxt cycle untill I found out my test was bunk..
Sorry for the spewl thanks team!

Eh you could I would just go for a lean bulk though put on size just keep the body fat to a minimum, this is what I recommend

1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-8 arimidex .5mg a day

Pct
6-9 hcg 500iu a week
6-9 1000iu vitamin E a week
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 unleashed post cycle combo
9-12 D aspartic acid @ 3g a day
9-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

For your next cycle I would do

1-12 Test c 500mg a day
(250mg Monday 250 Thursday)
1-12 Dihydroboldenone 400mg a week (200mg Monday 200mg Wednesday)
1-12 Equipoise 400mg a week
(200mg Monday 200mg Thursday)
Arimidex .5mg a day

Then the same pct just with the weeks adjusted accordingly to long esters

 

[reecebrahh]

Eh you could I would just go for a lean bulk though put on size just keep the body fat to a minimum, this is what I recommend

1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-8 arimidex .5mg a day

Pct
6-9 hcg 500iu a week
6-9 1000iu vitamin E a week
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 unleashed post cycle combo
9-12 D aspartic acid @ 3g a day
9-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

For your next cycle I would do

1-12 Test c 500mg a day
(250mg Monday 250 Thursday)
1-12 Dihydroboldenone 400mg a week (200mg Monday 200mg Wednesday)
1-12 Equipoise 400mg a week
(200mg Monday 200mg Thursday)
Arimidex .5mg a day

Then the same pct just with the weeks adjusted accordingly to long esters

Thanks for the input man, really not after a lean bulk atm trying to get down to around 6-7% I'm in aus so it's summer, I'm hoping to get down to this around 6 week mark possibly run a light clen cycle once I get to 8% then go lean bulk on test e? Thoughts?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Eh you could I would just go for a lean bulk though put on size just keep the body fat to a minimum, this is what I recommend

1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-8 arimidex .5mg a day

Pct
6-9 hcg 500iu a week
6-9 1000iu vitamin E a week
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 unleashed post cycle combo
9-12 D aspartic acid @ 3g a day
9-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

For your next cycle I would do

1-12 Test c 500mg a day
(250mg Monday 250 Thursday)
1-12 Dihydroboldenone 400mg a week (200mg Monday 200mg Wednesday)
1-12 Equipoise 400mg a week
(200mg Monday 200mg Thursday)
Arimidex .5mg a day

Then the same pct just with the weeks adjusted accordingly to long esters

That is WAY too much arimidex. First off if you get some real test, 250-300 mg a week of E or C is plenty for a first cycle Especially if cutting. 100mg of prop eod is fine too. You need to have an A.I. on hand incase your gyno prone but at either of those doses you should not need an A.I.
You will kill way too much estrogen..5 mg ed of adex is a LOT of a.i. you need estrogen to lube your joints and balance your hormones.

 

[reecebrahh]

I have forma stanzol for on cycle, and letrose, can can arimidex if I need to mate, just dnt wanna get bloated if I start the test whilst trying to cut

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I have forma stanzol for on cycle, and letrose, can can arimidex if I need to mate, just dnt wanna get bloated if I start the test whilst trying to cut

Maybe run the forma cause its real mild. But there's no reason for letro unless your getting gyno. Letro is really harsh.

 

[reecebrahh]

Yeah that's all it's there for if I get gyno, pretty sure forma will keep est down enough on500mg if test, just dnt know weather it will be a waste or not on the diet I'm on now

 

[Ftsk]

Eh you could I would just go for a lean bulk though put on size just keep the body fat to a minimum, this is what I recommend

1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-8 arimidex .5mg a day

Pct
6-9 hcg 500iu a week
6-9 1000iu vitamin E a week
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 unleashed post cycle combo
9-12 D aspartic acid @ 3g a day
9-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

For your next cycle I would do

1-12 Test c 500mg a day
(250mg Monday 250 Thursday)
1-12 Dihydroboldenone 400mg a week (200mg Monday 200mg Wednesday)
1-12 Equipoise 400mg a week
(200mg Monday 200mg Thursday)
Arimidex .5mg a day

Then the same pct just with the weeks adjusted accordingly to long esters

That second cycle is horrible, don't even think about doin eq unless u can afford enough for 14-16weeks at 600mg per week. Dunno where u reference ur doses from man especially with the dex

 

[burnthiscorpse]

That second cycle is horrible, don't even think about doin eq unless u can afford enough for 14-16weeks at 600mg per week. Dunno where u reference ur doses from man especially with the dex

Not to mention suggesting his second cycle be 1300mg AAS wk!!!

 

[reecebrahh]

2nd cycle I want to run 400mg-500mg for 14test e and 250mg tren a possibly build up to 350mg for 8 weeks, I'm not really interested winny/deca/Sus, just wanna run test alone to get the taste of aas, but get the most out of my first cycle as possible aswell

 

[burnthiscorpse]

2nd cycle I want to run 400mg-500mg for 14test e and 250mg tren a possibly build up to 350mg for 8 weeks, I'm not really interested winny/deca/Sus, just wanna run test alone to get the taste of aas, but get the most out of my first cycle as possible aswell

Sus, sust, sustanon, ect IS test. I wouldn't recommend Tren on a second cycle.

 

[reecebrahh]

2nd cycle I am planning on running test e and tren a, just wanna run a test cycle first to be safe, but get as much benifit out of it as possible, would I get better results cutting on test e, then bulking nxt yr on test/tren, or natural cut and then bulk on test? What would be better guys?

 

[reecebrahh]

I know a lot of people dnt recommend tren 2nd cycle which I respect but I'm pretty set on it, I love the dry vas look it gives, and would only be running low dose of a, so if sides were bad I can stop, and my 2 training partners have only ever run test tren cycles so I can guide off there expierience as ill be seeing them everyday

 

[Ftsk]

I know a lot of people dnt recommend tren 2nd cycle which I respect but I'm pretty set on it, I love the dry vas look it gives, and would only be running low dose of a, so if sides were bad I can stop, and my 2 training partners have only ever run test tren cycles so I can guide off there expierience as ill be seeing them everyday

If u like the dry look just run anavar for last 4-6 weeks of test cycle

 

[infraredline]

That second cycle is horrible, don't even think about doin eq unless u can afford enough for 14-16weeks at 600mg per week. Dunno where u reference ur doses from man especially with the dex

That is WAY too much arimidex. First off if you get some real test, 250-300 mg a week of E or C is plenty for a first cycle Especially if cutting. 100mg of prop eod is fine too. You need to have an A.I. on hand incase your gyno prone but at either of those doses you should not need an A.I.
You will kill way too much estrogen..5 mg ed of adex is a LOT of a.i. you need estrogen to lube your joints and balance your hormones.

@Ftsk 600mg eq is way overkill imo he would be fine at 450 to 500 if it was just test eq but if you noticed I had dhb in there which is the dht of eq so there is no need to high dose either eq or the dhb since they enhance each other significantly

@burnthis corpse yeah you are probably right the only reason I recommended .5 a day is because since test p is so fast acting that it can lead to estrogen problems faster then test c or e so I'd rather be safe then sorry but what would you recommend in regards to an arimidex dosing protocol?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

@Ftsk 600mg eq is way overkill imo he would be fine at 450 to 500 if it was just test eq but if you noticed I had dhb in there which is the dht of eq so there is no need to high dose either eq or the dhb since they enhance each other significantly

@burnthis corpse yeah you are probably right the only reason I recommended .5 a day is because since test p is so fast acting that it can lead to estrogen problems faster then test c or e so I'd rather be safe then sorry but what would you recommend in regards to an arimidex dosing protocol?

On 100mg prop eod only? Aromasin over Adex but either way have it....in your drawer. I don't recommend any A.I. with that low of a test dose. The test might start working faster but if gyno symptoms are gonna come they are gonna come. Whether it be week 6,8 or 2. I never run an A.I. and tried 12.5 mg aromasin e3d with nothing but 375mg test c this year. Made me feel like shit. Dropped it and I felt great. People get too crazy with a.i. doses. He has letro also. So of he gets itchy nips he can really nail it quick.

 

[infraredline]

On 100mg prop eod only? Aromasin over Adex but either way have it....in your drawer. I don't recommend any A.I. with that low of a test dose. The test might start working faster but if gyno symptoms are gonna come they are gonna come. Whether it be week 6,8 or 2. I never run an A.I. and tried 12.5 mg aromasin e3d with nothing but 375mg test c this year. Made me feel like shit. Dropped it and I felt great. People get too crazy with a.i. doses. He has letro also. So of he gets itchy nips he can really nail it quick.

Good point

 

[dylangemelli]

what im the most confused on is why there is even talk of a second cycle when the first one hasn't even been started... you have NO IDEA how your body will react, what your results will be and what your next goals will be after you get your results... you need to focus on one thing at a time...

 

[reecebrahh]

That for the feedback guys! I apriciate it! My goal atm is to cut, so is starting test now a waste at 10% body fat trying to achieve 6-7? Or will I still have a good cycle if I started through cutting? That's all I'm after

 

[joeblow12345]

That for the feedback guys! I apriciate it! My goal atm is to cut, so is starting test now a waste at 10% body fat trying to achieve 6-7? Or will I still have a good cycle if I started through cutting? That's all I'm after

Your going to have some bloat but an ai will control it. As long as diet is on point you can cut on test.

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[reecebrahh]

I've got forma, and letro incase gyno gets too far, sweet, my diet is pretty in tight, I've already lost 1% in my first week, using mp shredded matrix tho so probs water, ill start now I think as long as I get some good gains on my first bulking cycle after this 1

 

[digit0x]

Nothing wrong with cutting for a first cycle.... if you have a good base. With test, you wont lose weight anyways you'll just be adding muscle and losing fat.

 

[reecebrahh]

Nothing wrong with cutting for a first cycle.... if you have a good base. With test, you wont lose weight anyways you'll just be adding muscle and losing fat.

If that's the case ill defs hit the first cycle up now

 

[dylangemelli]

test is very versatile... you can bulk, cut or recomp on it... it all depends on you... how you eat and train and your willingness to be disciplined...