new to the forum, thoughts on this cycle please

[stevesmi]

put up a pic man.. you aren't gonna convince anyone on here that at 155 pounds after 4 cycles you are on the right road unless your pics say otherwise. some guys just don't weigh much but looked great. you could be one of those

your cycle makes no sense as has been outlined. never run nolva with deca. that PCT will kill your motivation

changing your diet and workouts could be your solution here to add a quick 15 pounds, so lets sort that out first .. because all you are gonna end up doing is blowing up on cycle, and losing it all off cycle. thats pretty much what you have been doing so far. whats the point of juicing if thats what is gonna happen?

 

[swervn]

You shouldn't even be thinking of steroids at 22. You should read more books on nutrition and weight training. Look at steroids when you hit your 30's and read, read, read. Learn as much as possible before you play. You can seriously damage yourself. I have friends that have to take testosterone shots just so their dick will work because of years of improper steroid use.

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

put up a pic man.. you aren't gonna convince anyone on here that at 155 pounds after 4 cycles you are on the right road unless your pics say otherwise. some guys just don't weigh much but looked great. you could be one of those

your cycle makes no sense as has been outlined. never run nolva with deca. that PCT will kill your motivation

changing your diet and workouts could be your solution here to add a quick 15 pounds, so lets sort that out first .. because all you are gonna end up doing is blowing up on cycle, and losing it all off cycle. thats pretty much what you have been doing so far. whats the point of juicing if thats what is gonna happen?

thanks for ur input bro, Im not planing on starting a cycle anytime soon, im still in the research phase. again mind my ignorance but why are nolva and deca not compatible and how can i change pct? will put up photos, any input will be appreciated. thanks

 

[goin on 4T]

Thats a solid look right there bro!

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

Thats a solid look right there bro!

Thanks bro, what changes to the cycle or pct would u recommend? most people who comment said there's something wrong with lay out but wouldnt exactly specify what and how i can improve it (especially for pct), so any advice would be sound bro.

 

[stevesmi]

thanks for ur input bro, Im not planing on starting a cycle anytime soon, im still in the research phase. again mind my ignorance but why are nolva and deca not compatible and how can i change pct? will put up photos, any input will be appreciated. thanks

you have LEAN muscle.. very different than large muscle mass. thats why you don't weigh anything.. nothing wrong with this however I feel like you should start training heavier and start eating bigger to build up some mass IF that is what you want

if you are happy with that lean muscle look then you just don't steroids at all. you can mantain that look very easily naturally.

as far as nolva you never should mix it with deca due to progesterone issues.

as far as PCT, i would check out my threads on that with a search. that is a good blueprint

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

you have LEAN muscle.. very different than large muscle mass. I feel like you should start training heavier and start eating bigger to build up some mass.

if you are happy with that lean muscle look then you just don't steroids at all. you can mantain that look very easily naturally.

as far as nolva you never should mix it with deca due to progesterone issues.

as far as PCT, i would check out my threads on that with a search. that is a good blueprint

Thanks for ur reply bro. its almost like no matter how much i eat i put on a minimal amount of mass( which is really frustrating, as far as training goes i can bench about 15 kg above my body weight, but i really wanna get bigger and stronger, what would u recommend?

also thanks for clearing up the nolva/deca and will defo search ur pct threads

 

[oxymoron]

thanks for the advice, will do a blood works asap.
any advice on how to improve the cycle/pct for future reference. mind my ignorance bro but im still learning here. Cheers

Ace, for starters bro do not run dbol for 8 wks man, its a 17aa so running a methylated oral that long is just asking for liver damage.
Test E is a waste at 8 wks. I've just really started feeling the effects at 4-5 weeks and at 8 ur making the gains u want. Run it for 12. 10 minimum which is still short imo.
Same with tren e.
I'm just not a fan of deca. The water retention is huge, prolactin build up and crazy half life I just avoid it. Plus u'd want to run it longer also.
Ur doses are pretty high, 1.8 grams of juice not incl the dbol, and I don't think u've thought this thru. Ive been doing this for 9 yrs and i wouldn't consider a cycle like this unless i was a veteran competitor.
U'll get the job done at under half of the gear u listed. Good luck and make a responsible decision here.

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

Ace, for starters bro do not run dbol for 8 wks man, its a 17aa so running a methylated oral that long is just asking for liver damage.
Test E is a waste at 8 wks. I've just really started feeling the effects at 4-5 weeks and at 8 ur making the gains u want. Run it for 12. 10 minimum which is still short imo.
Same with tren e.
I'm just not a fan of deca. The water retention is huge, prolactin build up and crazy half life I just avoid it. Plus u'd want to run it longer also.
Ur doses are pretty high, 1.8 grams of juice not incl the dbol, and I don't think u've thought this thru. Ive been doing this for 9 yrs and i wouldn't consider a cycle like this unless i was a veteran competitor.
U'll get the job done at under half of the gear u listed. Good luck and make a responsible decision here.

thanks for ur comment bro.

so drop dbol to 4 weeks at the same dose, completely drop deca and use test e and tren for 12 weeks.
also maybe adding in another oral agent like anadrol for the first 2 weeks until the others kick in?
with the above changes would i have to alter my pct, i was thinking a combination of unleashed/post cycle/hcgenerate but i cant get my hands on post cycle by pf here in the uk so are there any good replacements. also id prob run hcg from week 4-12 of the cycle, will also run the support supps i mentioned in the thread.
does this look better?

 

[Mekat]

1-4 dbol
1-12 test E
1-10 Tren E
1-4 N2Guard
1-12 arimidex or aromasin or forma-stanzol
1-10 Caber or Prami
5-12 HCG or HCGenerate
do not add anadrol, u dont wanna run to methyl orals together, either use adrol as kick or dbol

PCT
clomid 25/25/25/25
post cycle/unleashed....that BSS PCT shit should be ok to replace for the post cycle if its all u can get
Forma-stanzol
DAA