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cobra108

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WTF is going on man?
in 1999 when I asked about var on the UG board everybody laughed at me and said it was for girls. now I come back to the boards and everybody talking var....hell they use to laugh and flame at any guy who asked about orals of any sort!

so why is var OK now???
 
Mainly because body builders for the most part are not on these boards anymore. The vast majority of the people are just guys who want to look better, are afraid of steroids in general, and want to just take a pill for a quick fix. Elite in 1999 -2000 was an entirely different landscape then it is now.
 
As far as the usage goes...Ilter is right...You see so many post about "oral only" or "I am afraid of a needle" and so these BOYS want to take the pills and not the pin...But then again, Var is pretty wicked when it come to strength gains and vascularity (On me anyway). I like it. It is a little pricey, but I have not seen another AAS that made the strength increase as well as VAR.
 
people on Elite wanna look like Brad Pit in fight club now :)

where is used to be Dorian Yates

in one way I am happy since levels more moderate may now be used

but at the same time it was kewl to have the hardcore guys around
 
OMEGA said:
people on Elite wanna look like Brad Pit in fight club now :)

where is used to be Dorian Yates

in one way I am happy since levels more moderate may now be used

but at the same time it was kewl to have the hardcore guys around
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If I had a choice of Brad Pitt or Yates....I'd take yates any day! But I know where you are coming from. The bottom line is that both of those physiques are immpossible for me to obtain so I just gotta take what I can get!
 
Ulter said:
In order of strength gains.
tren
NPP
test

Orals:
anadrol
dbol
winny
anavar
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I guess if you are referring to mg per mg, I would probably agree. But I can't stand any more than 50 mg of D-bol and that makes some painful pumps, And I did 80mg var without the wicked pumps and the strength gain were amazing....but then again, I have done 125mg of winny per day and the main thing that I noticed was fat loss and some muscle stiration...but strength gain were not all that impressive for me.

And again, I have used Tren @ 100ED and did not get the strength gains that I did with VAR...Overall body transformation was better, but strength was better with var.

I guess it just goes to show that everyone reacts a little different with each AAS...Or maybe it is a reation of the mind also.
 
Ulter said:
Not sure you can compare body builders to movie stars. If Brad Pitt had Yate's face you wouldn't know his name. And don't kid yourself the top body builders have no problem getting laid by fitness models.
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No doubt Id rather be with a fitness model than a female celebrity ANY day of the week, those celebs dont look so hot when thier not all made up but theres no hiding the awesome bodies on some of these fitness gals....any tips on how to meet one??? hahaha
 
Well let's see. The reason oxandrolone is called oxandrolone is because the oxygen attached to so it passes the liver better. The problem is that this also causes you to lose almost 30% of it, it's unused. You piss it out. So if you got more strength from eating 80mg/day than you did 100mg/day of tren then you are surely and anamoly. Without seeing what you ate, how you trained, etc. I can't really comment on that.
 
cobra108 said:
WTF is going on man?
in 1999 when I asked about var on the UG board everybody laughed at me and said it was for girls. now I come back to the boards and everybody talking var....hell they use to laugh and flame at any guy who asked about orals of any sort!

so why is var OK now???
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I am attracted to it because it is so mild. After a harsh cycle, my next cycle will be var/primo, back to harsh, back to var/primo, this way I not only have time off, but next time on, hardly affects my liver or blood values at all, so it's like extra time off for my body, not really, but you know what I mean. Anything for safety.....plus var works really kick ass for me.
 
Ulter said:
Well let's see. The reason oxandrolone is called oxandrolone is because the oxygen attached to so it passes the liver better. The problem is that this also causes you to lose almost 30% of it, it's unused. You piss it out. So if you got more strength from eating 80mg/day than you did 100mg/day of tren then you are surely and anamoly. Without seeing what you ate, how you trained, etc. I can't really comment on that.
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Isee your point...I might not have gave the tren a fair shake...I have to admit, I was in a severe calorie deficit while I was on the tren...Point taken!
 
another reason why people may be inclined to do orals/ light cycle is that they feel that its less risky

I mean getting caught with a cycle if var is probably better than getting caught with Test HGH, deca, and dbol at the same time
 
var is the gateway AAS for most of us, who start out being afraid of needles.

may be good if used in a stack with an injectable(s) like test, and tren. alone, overpriced and useless and hard on your system.

now that i am experienced with injectables i will no longer take orals. dbol, var, forget it. feel like i am taking poison.
 
Ulter said:
I used make that mistake all the time. You shouldn't waste your tren like that. Just eat and let the tren take care of it. The tren part of the cycle is the most fun for me because it allows me to eat more and continue to lose fat. I don't crazy amounts but more.
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I like the metabolic effect of tren, but I was trying to prepare for the washed out EF contest...I needed to lose a lot of fat (around 6% in the time alotted) I didn't quite make it...but I lost a goodly amount.
Yeah, I am prepping for my winter cycle, and I am considering tren E with my bulker.
 
Ulter said:
About a dozen of the 2000 regular posters are.
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there is way more than a dozen on Elite

though your board seems to have a a pretty hardore crowd U
but they are kinda cocky and intimidating ;)
 
I once did a var only cycle, 180 mg ed of btg var and I gaine 15 lbs of lean mass, dropped a couple of notches on my belt and my lifts went up pretty much 40% across the board! I didn't use any liver/cholesterol supps and my end of cycle levels wee only high normal. Lastly, I experienced on that cycle a sense of euphoria that I never have had since, not even on high doses of test. I have heard people slag var but for me it was magic!
 
Coming from a wrestling/judo background var is great because of the strength gains and ability to maintain lower weight on top of that you test clean after 3 weeks.
Var is the shiznit!
 
OMEGA said:
Quadsweep
Needsize
Macro
Ulter
Mr.X
Huck
Mustang
AAP
Andy13
Radar
Satch ( he will be)
Silverbackn
makaveli
Muscleup
Gymrat

there are much more and I have seen many of them recently

postage has gone down cus once you get to a level it gets boring

Ulter you just got Pwn3d:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/ReX357/catpwned.jpg

http://members.chello.nl/~wvanoverbruggen/pwned.jpg

http://www.uploadhouse.com/images/961615686lindomarowned.jpg
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galaxy comes to mind. and carth
 
pitsbull should definitely be on that list
and by ulters definition, there really arent many hardcore on here at all, a very small handful that I can think of, plus some that dont post pics but are monsters
 
Here, guys like BigMoFo in the pics below who was here 5 years ago when BIZ, E2, Ranger were mods. There are only a dozen or so hard core's here.
These are off season pics and onstage.


bigMoFo.jpg


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I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. I was just commenting on the guy's post. The hard cores don't stay here like they used to when this was the ONLY board. Now there are lots of them.
 
Ulter said:
someone who is a step away from pro card or has one
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I'm not so sure I agree with that. Before they are that close are they not hardcore? You still need to train your 5 days a week, eat every two hours and diet just as hard for your 12-16 contest prep. If you need to be a high level national competitor to be hardcore so be it. :)
 
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Well the discussion is about steroid use. That's what started the thread and that's what I am still referring to. By the time a guy is at the nationals or a pro he's not playing around with anavar.
There are lots of guys here who are devoted to training, dieting and even some really good cycles. But that's not hard core. It takes years to get be a hard core body builder doing hard core cycles.

That pic of BigMoFo in the off season up there... He's 290 there. How many guys do you think are on this board that look that good at 290?

Again I am not putting anyone down. I am just saying the vast majority, like 99.9% of the those registered here, posting, are not Needsize or Quad, etc. And it didn't used to be like that. The average cycle here in 2000 was 2000mg - 3000mg a week of AS, and now it's 50mg of tbol. OK maybe a little more, but you get the idea.
 
Ulter said:
Well the discussion is about steroid use. That's what started the thread and that's what I am still referring to. By the time a guy is at the nationals or a pro he's not playing around with anavar.
There are lots of guys here who are devoted to training, dieting and even some really good cycles. But that's not hard core. It takes years to get be a hard core body builder doing hard core cycles.

That pic of BigMoFo in the off season up there... He's 290 there. How many guys do you think are on this board that look that good at 290?

Again I am not putting anyone down. I am just saying the vast majority, like 99.9% of the those registered here, posting, are not Needsize or Quad, etc. And it didn't used to be like that. The average cycle here in 2000 was 2000mg - 3000mg a week of AS, and now it's 50mg of tbol. OK maybe a little more, but you get the idea.
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Point well taken.
 
Ulter---I respect your true-VET opinion so:

I noticed you AVOID the Oral Turinabol Threads. Just curious as to WHY?

I've personally tried it and it blows Var away! In every way! Not even close.

Mg for MG, it smoked var and winny in every respect for me and seems to be gaining popularity.
 
I remember those pics Ulter, damn that dude is huge!
Personally, I'm not one step away from a pro card, I do plan on giving it everything to get that far, but realistically I know I have quite a while to go to get to that level at the nationals, if I ever do...But that being said, I definitely consider myself hardcore as I will do anything to get to that point, I'll put anything into my body(and passed the 3g a week mark quite a while ago thanks to my hardgainer genetics), train through injuries, eat 6000 calories a day despite my stomach problems....well you get the idea.

To me hardcore is someone who gives it their everything, and has done it for years without giving up. I've seen guys do it for short periods, but to stick to the lifestyle, as much as it can suck ass, to me thats hardcore
 
Whacked said:
Ulter---I respect your true-VET opinion so:

I noticed you AVOID the Oral Turinabol Threads. Just curious as to WHY?

I've personally tried it and it blows Var away! In every way! Not even close.

Mg for MG, it smoked var and winny in every respect for me and seems to be gaining popularity.
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You used to see lots threads about using insulin. Talking about hard core. But you didn't see my name on those threads either. That's because I don't use it. I have never used tbol and don't have any use for orals besides winny. Believe it or not there are people who don't post about things they have no experience with. :)
 
Ulter said:
In order of strength gains.
tren
NPP
test

Orals:
anadrol
dbol
winny
anavar
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Where would you put Halo or Mathyltest on this list?
 
Where can I find the Underground Board? second question: Does the Meso board still have some hard core bro's?
 
Ulter said:
someone who is a step away from pro card or has one
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Hardcore, pro card or a step away true. To get there you are hardcore long before you reach that point. Part of being hardcore is the dedication it takes to reach that level.
 
Ulter said:
Halo doesn't serve any purpose as far as I can see. Easily the strongest oral, but so toxic that high long term doses are not worth it.

No, those boards don't exist anymore.
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ca'nt spell fluxymesterlone without fluorine -- a cancer causing carcinogen -- so yah its pretty toxic.


as to the topic at hand, anavar has been very kind to me, but i've use it in a deecent dose.

best cycle i ever ran was 1000mgs of eq, 500mg of test, and 80mgs of var ED.
when I added the anavar in last 6 weeks of the cycles, things really started to happen. my already good vascularity became nuts.
 
Ulter said:
Halo doesn't serve any purpose as far as I can see. Easily the strongest oral, but so toxic that high long term doses are not worth it.

No, those boards don't exist anymore.
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Okay, but how about for short term use, especially in strength-dependent events? Like powerlifting, exc?
Also, where would (or would you) put Test Suspention on that list?
Bionic
 
soxfan said:
I once did a var only cycle, 180 mg ed of btg var and I gaine 15 lbs of lean mass, dropped a couple of notches on my belt and my lifts went up pretty much 40% across the board! I didn't use any liver/cholesterol supps and my end of cycle levels wee only high normal. Lastly, I experienced on that cycle a sense of euphoria that I never have had since, not even on high doses of test. I have heard people slag var but for me it was magic!
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How long was your cycle?
 
BionicBC said:
Okay, but how about for short term use, especially in strength-dependent events? Like powerlifting, exc?
Also, where would (or would you) put Test Suspention on that list?
Bionic
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Halo is great, like I said, the strongest, for very short term use.
Test is test. Test is on the list. Over the course of a cycle you're not going to get any stronger using suspension than you would prop.
 
I wouldnt qualify someone as hardcore just due to the amount of juice they are taking, I think as time has went on people have learned how to manipulate things a little better and still get good gains without hitting 2-3 grams, IMO hardcore is anyone who is giving it thier all and educating themselves and doing what works best for them, not everyone on here aspires to be a pro or even compete at all, we are all looking for different things, but I would LOVE to have a bunch more of the big guys/pros/whatever on here for thier tremendous insight and trial and error intelligence they have gathered through the years...how can elite win back some of these guys??? Maybe free plat memberships, or deeper discounts from elite sponsers, just an idea....
 
Ulter said:
Halo is great, like I said, the strongest, for very short term use.
Test is test. Test is on the list. Over the course of a cycle you're not going to get any stronger using suspension than you would prop.
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Halo's are great if your 2-4 week out from a show. By boy swears by them. The funny thing, was he was taking them to look good for when we went out for his birthday, man the Jersey shore crowd is nutty!
 
Ulter said:
In order of strength gains.
tren
NPP
test

Orals:
anadrol
dbol
winny
anavar
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Interesting? I would argue that var trumps winny for strength gains but it's oral vs. IM for me. Never used Winny tabs... just liquid
 
soxfan said:
I once did a var only cycle, 180 mg ed of btg var and I gaine 15 lbs of lean mass, dropped a couple of notches on my belt and my lifts went up pretty much 40% across the board! QUOTE]

180mg of BTG a day???? I smell BS...


:p
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TheRide said:
soxfan said:
I once did a var only cycle, 180 mg ed of btg var and I gaine 15 lbs of lean mass, dropped a couple of notches on my belt and my lifts went up pretty much 40% across the board! QUOTE]

180mg of BTG a day???? I smell BS...


:p
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I have no reason to lie to you.
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cobra108 said:
What's a normal var only cycle look like I wonder?
I might post the question somewhere else.
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I have seen many on this board talk of cycles using from 40 mg up to 100+mg ed. Also, I feel that btg var is the far superior brand with papervar and bd running second and third. Var is amazing stuff (IMHO) and you should run as much as you can afford to! :p
 
Yours was powder?

soxfan said:
I have seen many on this board talk of cycles using from 40 mg up to 100+mg ed. Also, I feel that btg var is the far superior brand with papervar and bd running second and third. Var is amazing stuff (IMHO) and you should run as much as you can afford to! :p
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Don't get me wrong... I would want Yates' body over Pitt's any day... Im 298 14%BF... But if you are talking about getting females its Pitt... BTW I would say this board isn't anti-hardcore... 99% of people on here would be hardcore if they could...
 
strong bump here :D


prolly going to be purchasing a var cycle here shortly. 60mg ed for 7-8 weeks.

Haven't cycled for about 2 years, so hoping receptors are fresh.

reason I won't be pinning is because I'll be on a short vacation for a few weeks, will have access to a nice gym and good food, just don't feel like dragging pins and viles around.


Just wanted to bump this back up for more discussion on var
 
jrhodez said:
strong bump here :D


prolly going to be purchasing a var cycle here shortly. 60mg ed for 7-8 weeks.

Haven't cycled for about 2 years, so hoping receptors are fresh.

reason I won't be pinning is because I'll be on a short vacation for a few weeks, will have access to a nice gym and good food, just don't feel like dragging pins and viles around.


Just wanted to bump this back up for more discussion on var
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More discussion on Anavar? Well, I have taken Anavar since December 2009, 4 cycles, 6-8 weeks, 60-80 mg/day. I think it is not the healthiest choice for me, because my cholesterol was always in red numbers and what it is especially curious, my testosterone is routinely suppressed by almost 100% after 8 weeks.

On the other hand, liver enzymes stayed within the normal range (although they were elevated), and androgenic side effects are virtually non-existent. In fact, I remember that during the 1st cycle, when I still suffered from seborrhea (hyperandrogenicity), my skin actually IMPROVED on 60-65 mg Anavar/day! This indicates that the androgenicity of Anavar is ludicrously low and this drug is certainly perfect for everybody, who is afraid of hair loss or acne. Moreover, it creates a very pleasant feeling of euphoria.

Strength gains are good, but I think that Winstrol is a bit stronger than Anavar. Unfortunately, it is not an ideal steroid, if you want to gain a lot of muscle. I must say that even after 2 years, my results in this regard were unsatisfactory. Anavar is certainly ideal only for those, who want to gain strength and have a low fat percentage (say, 10%). Not for me, at 18%.
 
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