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GH Gut?

ConanX

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This has probably been discussed before but I'm looking for the most updated answers.

What causes the distended belly of the pro's from now a days? Do you need slin? Is it massive dosing of GH? Or is it from consistent GH use? Some say it is just from eating thousands and thousands of calories every day.

What do you guys think?

My main reason for the question is that I am just starting HGH at 5ius ED. I do NOT want my gut to grow. I like the thin waist look of the 70's and 80's bodybuilders and that is something I want to keep.

Thanks!
 
Some good info right here,

GH Gut
By: Liquidanny

In recent years, a number of writers have observed that increasing numbers of world-class bodybuilders appear at contests with low body fat, etched abdominal muscles and protruding guts. We have named this phenomena "Protruding Gut Syndrome" or "PGS" for short. Most notable among its victims is none other than Mr. Olympia himself, Dorian Yates. One writer suggested that this was a side effect of Steroid use . Another, influential editor, states flatly that it is caused by the use of hGH or GH releasers. There is no research to support either explanation. Frankly, there is no proof that this protruding gut phenomena exists at all or that if it does it is anything new. Our eyes tell us that there is a problem that is manifest in some physique stars. The question is when did it first appear and is it restricted to Steroid and/or GH users.

It seems to me that in the 1950's, before Steroids , hGH or GH releasers, there were competitors that exhibited the same "problem". Moreover, the problem is not by any means limited to "ergogenic" drug users. An observant individual will notice it in thin individuals of every stripe who have never trained with weights or even exercised to any significant degree. If I'm correct, and I believe I am, the cause is failure to develop the set of muscles that are tasked with the role of holding the internal organs within the abdominopelvic cavity. This may be exacerbated somewhat in obese or formerly obese individuals by intra-visceral fat deposits, organ enlargement and prolapse of the abdominopelvic visceral sheath. Nevertheless, in most cases it is a lack of muscle development. These muscles have no significant visibility externally. In other words, they are not "show" muscles. Because they don't show directly, many never train them. Moreover, some who do train them don't realize that they are doing so or the benefit they derive from doing so. As an example, in a training course sold by Frank Zane many years ago, titled "How to Develop Championship Legs and a Small Waistline" he describes a technique called the "Stomach Vacuum". This is the kind of "exercise" that helps develop the muscles of which I speak. Arnold describes the same technique in his Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding . It may not mean anything but neither Arnold nor Zane showed any evidence of protruding gut. By the way, before I go any further, it is worth pointing out that the most notable of these muscles are the internal obliques and the transverse abdominis but the Iliacus, Soleus and Intercostals are also involved. These muscles get a fair amount of stimulation from sit-ups but practically none from crunches. Over the past twenty years, the crunch has replaced the sit-up as the exercise of choice for developing the abdominals (technically rectus abdominis). This allows for another explanation of the increasing prevalence, if such exists, of PGS.

The lack of specific exercise for the gut retaining muscles is not the whole explanation for the phenomena. If it were, everyone who doesn't exercise would manifest the problem. As we can see by observing the public at large, this is not the case. However prevalent the problem, it is not universal among those who do not exercise. This suggests that while lack of the proper exercise may contribute to the problem, it is not the cause. Normally, the visceral sheath combined with the natural tonus of the retaining muscles is sufficient to maintain the organs within the Abdominopelvic cavity. Something must stretch the visceral wall and overcome the natural tonus of the retaining muscles, enter the big dinner, the TV and the soft couch. After eating the stomach and intestines are full of food and are, therefore, heavier and occupy more space then when empty. If the meal is particularly large they may require more space then can be provided in the un-distended space they have available to them. If one sits and the knees bend beyond 90 degrees, the space is further restricted. If the shoulders roll forward, as in relaxation, still further reduction of space is imposed by the pressure of the diaphragm in its downward excursion. Leaning forward, as some drivers do and as some chairs encourage one to do, allows gravity to force the viscera forward, placing increased pressure on the visceral wall. Watching television with the chin held on the hands also places the body in this position of increased pressure on the visceral wall.

For the body builder, or weight lifter, guzzling water or workout drinks and then squatting creates incredible inter-visceral force. In fact, almost any movement performed in a forward bent position and any movement performed wearing a lifting belt also increases the pressure to astronomical levels. In other words, there are a host of behaviors, some of them unique to weight trainers others not, that create the distention that precedes PGS. Add in the reduced natural tonus common to a more or less sedentary life style and we have all the explanation required.
 
The distended guts you see in certain BBers is NOT from intestinal enlargement. Good god. The amount of growth you'd have to see in those organs to distend one's gut would be phenomenal. Intestines are relatively thinly walled, flexible, soft tubes. To cause notable distension, it would mean the intestines are growing in length, wall thickness, diameter... they would literally constrict themselves. Simply because skeletal muscle and certain epithelial, smooth muscle (and other) cells in the gut both have IGF -1 receptors does NOT mean they react to the peptide's presence in the same way! And yes, acromegaly DOES mean internal organs grow as well. However, bear in mind these people have elevated GH levels 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, for YEARS at a time. The first symptoms are NOT enlarged intestines or a large gut. Rather, cardiac hypertrophy, enlargement of vocal cords, enlargement of the tongue, etc. are all seen first.

One of the main concerns I see people talking about is the smooth muscle that comprises the intestinal walls... in other words, you've got muscle tissue in there with a high concentration of receptors. Yes, intestinal smooth muscle has a high amount of IGF -1 receptors, and IGF both inhibits apoptosis (cell destruction) in this tissue as well as promotes growth. However, smooth muscle hypertrophy occurs at a MUCH slower rate than skeletal muscle (striated) or even cardiac muscle. There are certain conditions (Crohn's disease, etc.) where notable intestinal hypertrophy occurs (over years), and causes a huge number of problems. A distended gut is NOT one of the signs of said hypertrophy.

Insulin, steroids, IGF, etc. can all increase the amount of visceral fat carried by the body, cause hypertrophy of the rectus abdominus, transverse abdominus, and obliques, cause GI upset (and therefore gas)... many BBing diets cause changes in gut flora and fauna (also causing gas)... these are ALL factors that cause that notable distension in top BBers. GH gut is a myth with NO scientific backing whatsoever. Not that it can't technically occur, but that it's responsible for the big guts you see out there. These guys would have chronically impacted bowels, severe cardiac issues, grossly enlarged larynxes, and a bunch of other problems stemming from GH/IGF-1 use before their growing intestines became a problem.
 
Imo, it is from the HGH, because "growth" causes "hyperplasia," which is proliferation of cells. Your entire body is made-up by cells. Therefore, hyperplasia "could" cause all the cells in the body to increase. Consequently, your organs grow from hyperplasia, so that is where the "hgh gut" derives from. Steroids cause "hypertrophy" (enlargement of cells).. Hence, running HGH with steroids have a great synergistic effect. One compound increases muscle cells, simultaneously, the other compound enlarges muscle cells..
 
Imo, it is from the HGH, because "growth" causes "hyperplasia," which is proliferation of cells. Your entire body is made-up by cells. Therefore, hyperplasia "could" cause all the cells in the body to increase. Consequently, your organs grow from hyperplasia, so that is where the "hgh gut" derives from. Steroids cause "hypertrophy" (enlargement of cells).. Hence, running HGH with steroids have a great synergistic effect. One compound increases muscle cells, simultaneously, the other compound enlarges muscle cells..

Nah, read my post above.
 
Very interesting post bro.

Still, the gut that these IFBB pros have is outrageous. I was watching vids of Ronnie, Jay, Kai, etc and on a side profile when they are relaxed it looks like they are pregnant with triplets! They have striated glutes and are at an inhumanely low bodyfat level as well as being dry as f*ck but man their stomachs stick out way past their chests. It's disgusting. What I was hearing from a lot of people is that this started with the introduction of HGH, Slin, and peptides. It makes sense if you look at the bodybuilders of the 70s and 80s and their size, then look at the 90's to today and notice how they grew extra large but their stomachs also started to pop out.

I have heard about the vacuum exercise though and this is something I might want to try anyway, especially while I'm on cycle since if I can develope those muscles to keep my waist smaller that would be fantastic.

Sometimes we get caught up in the mass game but we forget about what is truly aesthetically pleasing. Look at Zane, Arnold, Franco, Robby Robinson, Coe, etc. These guys had flatter stomachs than most fitness women have while still having the nice 8 pack and detailed muscles.

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Ronnie Coleman Vs. Jay Cutler - YouTube look at Coleman and Jay. The muscle detail, quality, and sheer mass is out of this world. However, whenever they relax their bellies protrude out. Ugly as sin. Basically all of the IFBB pros have this and top national competitors have it as well.

It has to be from drug usage since once they hit a certain mass size the gut appears....or maybe its the food it takes to get to those sizes?
 
Ronnie Coleman Vs. Jay Cutler - YouTube look at Coleman and Jay. The muscle detail, quality, and sheer mass is out of this world. However, whenever they relax their bellies protrude out. Ugly as sin. Basically all of the IFBB pros have this and top national competitors have it as well.

It has to be from drug usage since once they hit a certain mass size the gut appears....or maybe its the food it takes to get to those sizes?

It seems to be a combination of things. Also seems to only be a problem when these freaks starting putting on way more mass than they should be.
 
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