Gear- good for you but bad for me??

[tjbr]

Because gaining naturally is awesome. When you first start lifting, at age 17 or 18 or 19 or so, your body is first reacting to heavy weight... it's liek a cycle in itself. Don't rob yourself of those first years of gym experience by worrying about anabolics.

Also, we hate to see newbies getting swoller than us.

 

[thecompound]

Because gaining naturally is awesome. When you first start lifting, at age 17 or 18 or 19 or so, your body is first reacting to heavy weight... it's liek a cycle in itself. Don't rob yourself of those first years of gym experience by worrying about anabolics.

Also, we hate to see newbies getting swoller than us.

^^Nail on the head

 

[stevesmi]

Also, we hate to see newbies getting swoller than us.

does that ever happen?

the strongest dudes at my gym are in their 40's, the average age of mr. olympia is in their 30's.

you can't tell me a 17 year old pimple faced teen is gonna outlift a 45 year old vet whose been at it for 30 years, steroids or no steroids.

 

[Tone28]

Thanks for all the input fellas. Again I definitely don't think AAS is for younger guys. But what I'm saying is that you can get a great diet plan and training regimen from you guys on EF so if someone were to take that from the experts here and add a test cycle of 500mg week for 10-12 weeks can be very good for a guy that hasn't been training as long as others. I'm not trying to argue with you guys but just saying what's good for you can be just as good for me if I add everything with it correctly experts advice,diet,training,gear,OCT,PCT. Again thanks for all the advice

 

[Judo Tom]

safety and injury prevention is a huge factor.

if you havent lifted safely for a few years and made gains, managed those gains and kept those gains safely you can be in trouble. if you havent learned how to deal w/ things like colds, stress, injuries, short workouts, break ups, being dehydrated, etc etc you could be setting yourself up for an injury.

you should also know what program/diet combo works best for you by trial and error.

when you train naturally for just 1 year you SHOULD make gains that are basically comparable to a good basic cycle. so adding roids wont help much.

training naturally will help get your ego in check. when i started lifting i felt like super man the first few months.. then i trained w/ people that crushed me and humbled me.. and helped me get set up for a great future in weight training.

etc
etc

 

[Tone28]

Thanks Judo Tom. That makes alot of sense

 

[Tone28]

Does pro hormones fall into the same category as AAS? Wait a couple years before experimenting and If you were to do PH should you just might as well do the real thing?

 

[Judo Tom]

i think you should wait just as long. some of the new legal stuff is stronger then most illegal.

if you got the itch to try something then i would look into some test boosters and some expensive, but worth it, protein supps.
then just get on a great program like starting strength and attack it. Add in a great diet w/ a lot of good cals you will grow like you never will again. its a once in a lifetime opportunity and it will set you up for a great future in this sport/hobby or whatever you want to call it.

the diet and training boards here are the best. spend some time reading there and posting questions there.

 

[stevesmi]

gosh i had a long post and it got deleted so i will sum it up like this, i think we've covered why youngsters shouldn't juice but let me tell you why someone below the genetic potential shouldn't.

say you are 6 feet and 160 pounds.. you run a cycle and run a perfect PCT and everything goes perfect and you put on 15 pounds of mass. this is the BEST case scenario, when you come off what will happen? 3 possibilities.

1. you totally 100% commit to bodybuilding and you keep cycling and eventually get to 200 pounds (keep in mind you could of easily gotten to 200 pounds at that height had you used supps, diet, and workouts to get there)
2. you come off and you no longer feel like superman and you give up and promply lose all your gains and you just risked your HPTA health and wasted time and money on a cycle for nothing
3. you lose most of your gains cause you are not able to mantain an anabolic/androgenic body cause you don't eat enough and don't really know how to workout.. even though you still go to the gym here and there.

i've seen a lot of option 2 amongst friends who juiced. they look WORSE now than they did before cycle

now the WORST case scenario..

you don't gain anything just like thousands of guys (just look at all the threads of people who post that they are on week 4 and nothing), you get gyno.. you lose your libido.. you feel like crap for months.
then usually this happens

1. you come on a message board and ask for help wishing you had done that first and learned and listened to vets in the first place
2. you continue running a cycle immediately after, then after a year or two you decide to throw in the towel and just go on HRT at 30 years old, your hpta is shot to hell and your anabolic receptors are burned out.

keep in mind 95% of the AAS forum cycles according to the last poll conducted. very few guys are actually on HRT.. radar is 60 and he still cycles. you can continue cycling for years successfully if you are smart and conservative about your cycles.

 

[Tone28]

Thanks fellas I appreciate that. Definitely helped me understand why I shouldn't cycle. Like I said before I've had my test for a year now just arguing with myself back and forth about taking it. I figured how can it not be good for me when all I hear is great things about test. All about building a base for the test to work off of and make sure DIET and Training is on point.