Hey guys First cycle!!!

[YeaRightBuddy]

Week. Supp. Amt.

1-9 Test p 450mg/week

1-9 Proviron 25 mg/day

1-9 HCG. 500iu/week

1-9 Adex. .2/day

10-13 Nolva 40/40/20/20

10-13 clomid 50/50/50/25

10-13 Aromasin 12.5/day


Looking to gain big and lean

Stats
23 yo
5'10
175 lbs


Dont mind EOD inj so i went with test P

Will start this cycle Aug 21st

comments?

 

[thebigoz]

Why are you taking 4 different SERMs? :/

Get a real PCT dude. Maybe some HCGenererate, Post-Cycle, Forma-Stanzol...that kind of thing. I like that you're taking HCG though, but remember to finish the vial. Don't just quit it before the cycle is over. If it runs into PCT for a few weeks, then that's a good thing.

In terms of wanting to gain 'big and lean'. They don't really go together in one cycle. If you're looking for pure mass, then Test alone (Especially because it's your first cycle) will get you some good gains with the correct diet.

What's your training and diet look like?

 

[Ranger11B]

hcgenererate, post-cycle, forma-stanzol

+1

 

[gymjunkie09]

Week. Supp. Amt.

1-9 Test p 450mg/week

1-9 Proviron 25 mg/day

1-9 HCG. 500iu/week

1-9 Adex. .2/day

10-13 Nolva 40/40/20/20

10-13 clomid 50/50/50/25

10-13 Aromasin 12.5/day


Looking to gain big and lean

Stats
23 yo
5'10
175 lbs


Dont mind EOD inj so i went with test P

Will start this cycle Aug 21st

comments?

proviron needs to be dosed at 50mg ed to be effective...don't know that you'll need adex with this cycle because the proviron will help keep you lean and dry but good to have on hand so I would leave it on the shelf unless needed but that just my opinion
....my best advice would be to post your diet up and get that dialed in if you're looking to gain and lean out...it's not easy to do but it can be done if your diet and training are spot on

 

[stevesmi]

Week. Supp. Amt.

1-9 Test p 450mg/week

1-9 Proviron 25 mg/day

1-9 HCG. 500iu/week

1-9 Adex. .2/day

10-13 Nolva 40/40/20/20

10-13 clomid 50/50/50/25

10-13 Aromasin 12.5/day


Looking to gain big and lean

Stats
23 yo
5'10
175 lbs


Dont mind EOD inj so i went with test P

Will start this cycle Aug 21st

comments?

well thought out first cycle but you can make some small adjustments and make it much better and I would like to see you add 20 more pounds to your frame before running this cycle.. at your height you should be in the 190's as a good base weight.

proviron should be run at 50mg ED or just save it for another cycle, dont half ass it.

hcg should be run 250iu's 2X per week, then bumped up to 1000iu's e4d after last injection till ester clearance.

you don't need so many SERM's. just go with clomid at 25mg per day for 4 weeks along with unleashed/post cycle.

you don't need adex at all. run forma stanz instead. keep in mind you don't want to totally kill estrogen, you need it to make gains!!

also even though proviron isn't tough on the liver i still would run some liver support anyway, it can't hurt. or you can just pick up a bottle of N2guard.

these are some suggestions for ya. i think your pct is definately overkill though and can be counter productive.. so please consider these suggestions i've made.

 

[YeaRightBuddy]

Why are you taking 4 different SERMs? :/

Get a real PCT dude. Maybe some HCGenererate, Post-Cycle, Forma-Stanzol...that kind of thing. I like that you're taking HCG though, but remember to finish the vial. Don't just quit it before the cycle is over. If it runs into PCT for a few weeks, then that's a good thing.

In terms of wanting to gain 'big and lean'. They don't really go together in one cycle. If you're looking for pure mass, then Test alone (Especially because it's your first cycle) will get you some good gains with the correct diet.

What's your training and diet look like?

Thats is a real PCT..... i dont think u realize what HCGenerate, Post-Cycle, Forma-S are....i already got it all covered with my pct (except for the Forma also helping DHT conv).

I worded it wrong, im already lean, im sitting at around 8% empty. just want to gain pure muscle lol.

My diet is really good, in fact, im still making gains at around 2-3 pounds of lean mass in a month but i want to do it faster.
diet is 3.5k cals with 250 g of protein everyday.

 

[Joel1980]

Man, if your making 2-3 lbs of lean mass a month I'd be ecstatic about that. And your only 23, why ruin a good thing you got going already natty.

 

[YeaRightBuddy]

proviron needs to be dosed at 50mg ed to be effective...don't know that you'll need adex with this cycle because the proviron will help keep you lean and dry but good to have on hand so I would leave it on the shelf unless needed but that just my opinion
....my best advice would be to post your diet up and get that dialed in if you're looking to gain and lean out...it's not easy to do but it can be done if your diet and training are spot on

ok ill do 50mg. Im gyno prone and i doubt Prov alone will keep my E and E2 down.

Im already lean, i misworded it. i just want to gain muscle and minimal fat.

 

[YeaRightBuddy]

Man, if your making 2-3 lbs of lean mass a month I'd be ecstatic about that. And your only 23, why ruin a good thing you got going already natty.

because of many reasons but the main one is that my test levels are at 240 which is really low, imagine what i could do with 450. and my free test is below average too.

 

[YeaRightBuddy]

well thought out first cycle but you can make some small adjustments and make it much better and I would like to see you add 20 more pounds to your frame before running this cycle.. at your height you should be in the 190's as a good base weight.

proviron should be run at 50mg ED or just save it for another cycle, dont half ass it.

hcg should be run 250iu's 2X per week, then bumped up to 1000iu's e4d after last injection till ester clearance.

you don't need so many SERM's. just go with clomid at 25mg per day for 4 weeks along with unleashed/post cycle.

you don't need adex at all. run forma stanz instead. keep in mind you don't want to totally kill estrogen, you need it to make gains!!

also even though proviron isn't tough on the liver i still would run some liver support anyway, it can't hurt. or you can just pick up a bottle of N2guard.

these are some suggestions for ya. i think your pct is definately overkill though and can be counter productive.. so please consider these suggestions i've made.

Ok thanks! ill up the proviron to 50mg, as for HCG, ive researched this alot and ill stick to only on cycle and not PCT. I wish i did have FormaS but it cost too much and for that price id rather have Aromasin. how can my PCT be counter productive though? all im taking is 3 things which all work in different pathways.