Marijuana or Alcohol?

[mrplunkey]

lol@ scientific literature studying "burnout" and "stoners". there is a reason why psychology programs are almost always a BA instead of a BS

alcohol on the other hand dehydrates you and fucks your liver up - literally poisons you and thus gives you a hang over

and just for the sake of leading you on (to be crushed in the end) say that indeed there is a "pot fog hang over"

do you honestly think this "groggy pot fog" is more detrimental to daily productivity than being severely dehydrated and puking ones guts out as the room spins?

You're asking that question as my opinion, so here's what I really think. Both pot and alcohol have acute phases that obviously cause an altered mental state -- that's the whole point of taking them. Now let's assume that we're dealing with a modest but clinically effective dose of either drug. The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day. The pot user will. Does it mean the pot user can't grind through the day? Probably not. But does it mean they won't have the same initiative and clarity they otherwise would have had they not used pot? Probably so.

And to me, that's the most insidious thing about pot. It leads millions of users to quietly accept mediocrity. For many (and certainly not all) it becomes a daily wake-and-bake routine.

I also like listening to people who cite pot as a way to reduce stress/anxiety. Does it reduce anxiety in some people? It sure does. But guess what? Fear of failure is a great motivator. I don't want to wander through my day thinking everything is going to be just fine. The line between comfortable and complacent is razor thin and the last thing we need today are more people who should be neither using a drug that helps them feel both.

 

[Sub-Zero]

You're asking that question as my opinion, so here's what I really think. Both pot and alcohol have acute phases that obviously cause an altered mental state -- that's the whole point of taking them. Now let's assume that we're dealing with a modest but clinically effective dose of either drug. The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day. The pot user will. Does it mean the pot user can't grind through the day? Probably not. But does it mean they won't have the same initiative and clarity they otherwise would have had they not used pot? Probably so.

And to me, that's the most insidious thing about pot. It leads millions of users to quietly accept mediocrity. For many (and certainly not all) it becomes a daily wake-and-bake routine.

I also like listening to people who cite pot as a way to reduce stress/anxiety. Does it reduce anxiety in some people? It sure does. But guess what? Fear of failure is a great motivator. I don't want to wander through my day thinking everything is going to be just fine. The line between comfortable and complacent is razor thin and the last thing we need today are more people who should be neither using a drug that helps them feel both.

the thing you are mumbling up is the usage.

if someone "wakes and bakes" as part of their daily routine, they will probably be high going into work. if someone uses this 'clinically effective' (lol@ using that to describe alcohol consumption) amount for alcohol they will go in drunk to work.

drunk people are more noticeable than high people because of the affects of the drug - more clumsy, belligerent, loud, slurring their words, etc etc.

so yes, people who are high all day are "accepting mediocrity", but if someone drank at the same levels and frequency as you are describing your 'pot population', they would be drunk, and an alocholic, which would be obvious, and they would be fired immediately.

the last paragraph is just fucking retarded. smoking for me personally does not make me "wander through the day thinking everything is going to be fine". it actually gives me more anxiety.

 

[jiggagold]

"The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day"

Where do you get this shit?? That is about as false as pick3 sexing up a female.

My mental function is fucked the next day after drinking. I drank 3 drinks last night. I skipped the gym already and just ate a sandwich I never would buy if it wasn't for the alcohol fucking up my mental function.

 

[calveless wonder]

You're asking that question as my opinion, so here's what I really think. Both pot and alcohol have acute phases that obviously cause an altered mental state -- that's the whole point of taking them. Now let's assume that we're dealing with a modest but clinically effective dose of either drug. The alcohol user won't show impairment of higher-level mental function the next day. The pot user will. Does it mean the pot user can't grind through the day? Probably not. But does it mean they won't have the same initiative and clarity they otherwise would have had they not used pot? Probably so.

And to me, that's the most insidious thing about pot. It leads millions of users to quietly accept mediocrity. For many (and certainly not all) it becomes a daily wake-and-bake routine.

I also like listening to people who cite pot as a way to reduce stress/anxiety. Does it reduce anxiety in some people? It sure does. But guess what? Fear of failure is a great motivator. I don't want to wander through my day thinking everything is going to be just fine. The line between comfortable and complacent is razor thin and the last thing we need today are more people who should be neither using a drug that helps them feel both.

And there is the fallacy in your entire argument. You're using your scope of what people "should be", from your point of view. Not everyone wants to bust their ass and be successful and rich, whether they smoke pot or not. Some people are content living a simple life. It's not necessarily causal.

Not everyone has ambition like you or me, and that's just a fact of life. Pot has little to do with that. upbringing and personal preferences do.

The hole in argument is also poked when you have many doctors, lawyers and successful public figures/entertainers who smoke. The weed delivery services in NYC, guess who they cater to? Investment bankers and other professionals mostly. I'm sure the median income of their clients is probably $200,000 -300,000 or so.

 

[jiggagold]

the sandwich was shitty too

 

[Sub-Zero]

the sandwich was shitty too

what kind?

today is my carb up day.

im going to eat 280 carbs!! and bench, so excited

 

[-SD-]

the sandwich was shitty too

this is funny as fuck and dont know why *


*no high

 

[jiggagold]

i had a chicken chipotle on wheat with provolone and onions from jersey mikes.

 

[jiggagold]

and a smoothie with added whey protein

im taking a shit now

it smells too

 

[-SD-]

and a smoothie with added whey protein

im taking a shit now

it smells too

Should have drank alcohol then your shit wont stink rob