Why would some of you guys want to stay on for so long (16 weeks!) or at high dosages. You know it can screw you for life. No more dbol if no more liver! Besides, most gains are lost after Dbol anyways. The permanent gains were only being able to bust your ass that much harder in the gym because you were stronger and recuperate better. 20 mg for four weeks has been my max., but I've jumped back on four weeks later.