Health care bill passed, say goodbye to your doctor!

[75th]

This is why I loves me some Obama:

1) Candidate Obama routinely promised to introduce competition in the market and said, while he favored single-payer, he didn't think that was feasible. This was the genesis of the public option. It was his middle way of introducing competition to the market place. The campaign sold the health plan largely on the back of a robust public option. OFA still champions a public option. The campaign ads all stressed the public option. It's not some idea the liberals of the party just adopted and foisted upon the guy. He used it to court the base both during the primaries and the general election. It's the reason he resorted to "floating" the idea of dropping it. You don't "float" breaking a promise you never made.

President Obama never took a public stance on the public option other than saying he'd "prefer" it. And then douchebag Rahm Emmanuel was dispatched to kill it the second the fight over it threatened to hold up or kill the bill. Emmanuel was enough of a prick to publicly unfold this strategy as the strategy they had all along in the WSJ a few weeks ago. That is, the strategy was to lock the left into support by baiting them with the public option, then turn on them and fuck them over the minute that it would be politically infeasible for them to back out of support.

2) Senator and Candidate Obama supported drug reimportation.

President Obama cut a deal with PHARMA that explicitly forbade drug reimportation, lobbied to get the drug reimportation amendment to the bill killed, and has the gall to have David Axelrod claim he still favors drug reimportation.

3) Candidate Obama mocked Senator Clinton's proposal of a private insurance mandate thusly: "This is a little like solving the homeless problem by mandating everybody buy a house. The people who haven;t bought a house havent bought one because they can't afford it."

Oh, my stars and garters! There is a fucking PRIVATE INSURANCE MANDATE in this bill.

4) Candidate Obama mocked Senator McCain for being out of touch with workers by proposing a tax on the health insurance plans they had traded away wages to maintain.

This bill taxes those plans.

5) One of the main arguments for health reform was to address the correlation between rising insurance premiums and flat wages in the US.

There is precisely jack shit in this bill that addresses that problem and taxing the insurance policies of working Americans actually makes their plight even worse. Not only do they still have flat wages in deadend jobs, but the one saving grace of that shitty job is now significantly devalued.

Basically, the one and only good thing coming out of this plan is the elimination of taking into consideration preexisting conditions when you attempt to go out and buy insurance (which you are now forced to do).

 

[brandonp005]

Socialism sucks! It has never worked. This damn government is so power hungry, they don't give a damn about ruining this GREAT nation!

 

[redsamurai]

Quote system giving you trouble?



nope, just tryin it a different way. Does it bother you? awwwww, mind doesn't adapt quick does it?





But it sure can't be you either can it? As excited as I would be for you to finally get a job, I have to think you'd be way over your head.



<sigh> Not sure what your obsession with my employment status is but I'm part of a family business. And with my investments and the money I made from my book I'm doing just fine. No I'm not worth as much as you but I don't care......you seem to think me indigent because of this fact... I bought a brand new car this year bro so I'm doin just fine alright?



No, food is plenty cheap. It's embarassing how cheaply you can buy the basics like long grain rice, black beans, lentils, etc. etc. And meat is plenty cheap too -- just buy in bulk and freeze it. Now if you want your cow to be ran on a treadmill each day, fed conflict-free grass and listen to Mozart as part of a stress-free life, then of course it's going to be expensive. But that's your own choice to pay for all that useless, silly crap. Get off your high horse, leave the ridiculous organic foods scam store and go to Costco/Sams like everyone else.



1) Don't lecture me on lentils and brown rice etc., those are my staples so I know their price.......and you can't judge how cheap food is by one or two ingredients. The food you make that has lentils and/or brown rice in it has other things too....and that's what adds up. So it's not as cheap as you think but it is not completely unaffordable, I'll grant you that.


2) Don't know where you get mozart and conflict free grass.........I'll settle for plain ole grass, that would be great. But as I'm sure you're aware, or maybe you're not and I"m giving you too much credit.........cows in this country aren't fed grass. They're not hardly allowed to eat what they are naturally compelled to because corn is cheaper. Problem is corn makes for a very unhealthy animal. Their immune systems do not develop properly and their meat is then parasite ridden at best and at worst they are uberly susceptible to major bacteria like E-coli. This is why they have to pump them full of steroids and hormones. So let's recap........the meat is not as nutritious because corn doesn't provide the animal with the same vitamins and minerals that grass does. The meat is also pumped full of toxins from ground up shit they're allowed to eat like candy, pasta factory floor leavins, little bit of concrete to fatten em up, and just a little bit of chicken manure to go along with it. And then on top of all that all the bad hormones they get pumped with to counter act their shit diet. No you can "man up", as if you know what that term means , and go buy some costco bullshit. Me, I'll just cut down my meat consumption in general and when I do, I'll eat the free range.





Sure -- two reasons. First, it would make it easier for you to look-up all the ridiculous crap you've posted in the past. You know, the same tired, old arguments you keep losing. That would be a huge time saver for both of us.

Second, let's take a moment and empathize with this site. Think about how much money EF spends just storing your periods (as in "....") and your quotation marks (as "in" ") on its server. Doesn't it bother you to consume so many resources yet not make even a token gesture to pay for them?[/QUOTE]




Hmmmmm, no...I smell your vast amount bullshit. Something else is going on, out with it.

 

[mrplunkey]

Red! Glad you signed-on today. I need your help.

I bought a steak last night and paid $10 extra for "all organic" meat. But when I ate it, I could "feel" the strife in the meat. If I farted into a jar, sealed it up and sent it to you, could you please smell it and tell me if I got ripped off?

P.S. You're still not plat. Accomplished authors working with successful family businesses should support EF.

 

[redsamurai]

Red! Glad you signed-on today. I need your help.

I bought a steak last night and paid $10 extra for "all organic" meat. But when I ate it, I could "feel" the strife in the meat. If I farted into a jar, sealed it up and sent it to you, could you please smell it and tell me if I got ripped off?


1) sure, why not.....it would be interesting to see what your farts are made of. Something tells me roses and lilac.....

2) $10 extra huh? That's funny cause where I shop australian free range is actually just a tad cheaper. If you want deals on american free range beef you'll probably have to have it shipped directly to you. I keep meaning to get around to checking on that cause I hear that there's real good deals. But since I don't eat that much meat anymore is it worth the bulk order for me......???? If you and your family eat a ton of meat it's probably something you ought to look into.


P.S. You're still not plat. Accomplished authors working with successful family businesses should support EF.



P.S Never said I was an "accomplished" author.....one book and enough money to cover my schooling for a year maybe two is pretty good, not complaining.....but I'm not calling myself "accomplished". Also didn't say my family business was successful.......yet.


P.S.S You're still copping to why you want me to plat up. Everything you do is self serving so I'm not buying the "you should support EF" crap. I'll bet there's a very good specific reason why you've got a boner for me goin plat.........hmmmmmm, I wonder.....???

 

[mrplunkey]

Redsam:

You can't wait almost a full day lke that and still expect the right kind of fart. They're back to the protein-powder sytle ones now.

I've searched high and low for a job your finally qualified to do, you like it, but you can't answer the call. Don't give-up on the whole fart-sniffer idea though. That job's got your name written all over it.

And no boner talk. Don't gay this thread up like you've done others in the past. What other threads you ask? Plat up and search for yourself. See? It's a real time-saver as well as a great way to support the site. Now plat up!

 

[redsamurai]

tell me the real reason you want me to go plat?

 

[mrplunkey]

tell me the real reason you want me to go plat?

It began when I noticed how some of your arguments are repetitive and often inconsistent. In the past, I'd always attributed it to you being stoned or drunk while online. Remember how I've done posts in the past where I've asked you if you've read your previous post?

Then I noticed how you started to re-hash the old organic food scam argument we had some weeks ago. I started to link the original thread in my response and decided to make you search yourself -- until it hit me that you probably couldn't search since you aren't plat.

Which led me to this: You wear this site out as do I -- but I pay for it. And then you do posts about how you're self-supportive (I'm plat, I can find one of those for you too), so it begs the question -- why not fork over a pittance in cash and support the site?

Bottom line: Why not support a site you use multiple times a day since you claim to have the means to do so?

 

[redsamurai]

It began when I noticed how some of your arguments are repetitive and often inconsistent. In the past, I'd always attributed it to you being stoned or drunk while online. Remember how I've done posts in the past where I've asked you if you've read your previous post?



I can do a search, why I just did one the other day. This hasn't come up in previous discussions of ours AND whether I'm plat or not doesn't interfere with "YOU" doing your own search and supposedly "pwning" me with my past statements. In fact....the fact that I"m not plat should work out for you givin your previous argument. No.....something more is going on, are you going to man up and admit to it?



Then I noticed how you started to re-hash the old organic food scam argument we had some weeks ago. I started to link the original thread in my response and decided to make you search yourself -- until it hit me that you probably couldn't search since you aren't plat.



Drug-resistant infections lurk in meat we eat - Infectious diseases- msnbc.com

you mean this ^^^^ "tired" old argument? hmmm, doesn't seem so "tired" to me. In fact, I'll be making a seperate thread about this later, you're more than welcome to join.




Which led me to this: You wear this site out as do I -- but I pay for it. And then you do posts about how you're self-supportive (I'm plat, I can find one of those for you too), so it begs the question -- why not fork over a pittance in cash and support the site?

Bottom line: Why not support a site you use multiple times a day since you claim to have the means to do so?




again, nice try with this.....but you're just not smart enough. Anyway......I claim to be doing just fine, but that doesn't mean I can spend money left and right. "right now", this just isn't money I care to spend right now. GOod for you that you're doing great, but you know full well I'm in school.

 

[mrplunkey]

again, nice try with this.....but you're just not smart enough. Anyway......I claim to be doing just fine, but that doesn't mean I can spend money left and right. "right now", this just isn't money I care to spend right now. GOod for you that you're doing great, but you know full well I'm in school.

What does smart have to do with supporting or not supporting the site?

$71.82 for 9 months = $7.98 / month

and you post daily (as do I) so:

$7.98 / 30 days per month = less than 27 cents a day

I've got news for you: Just about every hair-brained hippie libtard cause you support these days is going to cost you a lot more than 27 cents a day. Do you believe the gubment is going to deliver your organic beef, medicinal marijuana and healthcare to your doorstep all for free?