Anabolic:Androgenic Ratio of Masteron and Proviron

[SWOLNUTZ]

I recently read this from another site that has listings of a LOT of different AAS. I don't know if I believe these results. It's saying that proviron is more androgenic AND more anabolic? I've always heard that Proviron wasn't anabolic at all. Here are the ratios;

Proviron: Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio:30-40/100-150
Masteron Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio:25/62
Nandrolone Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio: 37/125
Test Cyp Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio:100/100

I added Deca and Testosterone to put things in perspective. I don't know how they came up with this ratio, but it seems really stupid because there is no way that Proviron is more anabolic than it is androgenic and no way it's more anabolic than deca and test.

What do you think of the comparison of Proviron to Masteron? Is Proviron better than Masteron?

-S

 

[jcnuts]

Its really not how it looks as in how they classify a steroid as androgenic or anibolic. I don't have time to really get into but if you can look up William Llewellyn's Anobolics he breaks down how they are ranked. Don't think that because one number is higher than the other that it is better or worse than another steroid. I'll post on here tomorrow and break it down for you if you can't find it.

Sent from my EVO4G.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Its really not how it looks as in how they classify a steroid as androgenic or anibolic. I don't have time to really get into but if you can look up William Llewellyn's Anobolics he breaks down how they are ranked. Don't think that because one number is higher than the other that it is better or worse than another steroid. I'll post on here tomorrow and break it down for you if you can't find it.

Sent from my EVO4G.

Yes, sometimes paper and real world results differ.

 

[Nelson Montana]

That's wrong.

 

[stevesmi]

if that was reality then proviron wouldn't need to be stacked with something anabolic.

proviron by itself ekk.. stack it with dbol and you got yourself a nice stack

 

[C.K.]

proviron alone is almost completely useless I felt NOTHING at all but with some test BOOM

 

[SWOLNUTZ]

So in reality, which is better? Masteron on Proviron? Is Masteron anabolic?

 

[eddymerckx]

on another topic That is not deca--its the short ester version which is completely different (probably about the opposite numbers/just a guess)

Also, re: the ratios, those numbers really may or may not be accurate in humans, Eisenberg E, Gordan GS. The levator ani muscle of the rat as an index of myotrophic activity of steroidal hormones. J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 1950;99:38–44. [PubMed] as the basic numbers are derived from assays of male rat rectal muscle tissue (because of the nature of the concentration of androgen receptors being analogous [no pun intended] to humans)

A 2008 article points out that "It may be argued that by today's standards this in vivo approach, which was developed over 50 years ago, is unsophisticated given the huge developments in molecular biology since that time." Kicman, A.T,, Pharmacology of anabolic steroids.Br J Pharmacol. 2008 June; 154(3): 502–521.

The more recent general ratio derivations appear in Potts GO, Arnold A, Beyler AL. Dissociation of the androgenic and other hormonal activities from the protein anabolic effects of steroids Handbook of Experimental Pharmacology 1976. 43Springer-Verlag: Berlin; 361–401.401In: Kochakian CD (ed) but various critiques appear in Kicman, supra and the full article is available here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439524/?tool=pubmed#bib98

I for one cannot readily determine how they get the often touted/never cited ratios from those published.

Or, as noted by Bill Roberts, (as explained in Kicman, supra) "One of the interesting things about Proviron is that while it assays (tests) as being an effective anabolic in the rat, it is virtually useless for building muscle in man. This may be due to enhanced conversion in muscle tissue to the diol, but it may instead be due to some unknown reason. "http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/proviron/

THUS, we return to what we know--brology--proviron strong androgen (it's almost DHT) and Mast acts in many of the same ways and is just able to keep a steady state longer--

 

[SWOLNUTZ]

the basic numbers are derived from assays of male rat rectal muscle tissue (because of the nature of the concentration of androgen receptors being analogous [no pun intended] to humans)

Lol!

 

[eddymerckx]

the basic numbers are derived from assays of male rat rectal muscle tissue (because of the nature of the concentration of androgen receptors being analogous [no pun intended] to humans)

Lol!

i could not refuse---adds new meaning to rat-ass gear