500mg of test for 10-12 weeks safe for a first cycle

[Pump2356]

Hey guys,


I was just curious as to why many boards say to start off with 500mg of test for 10-12 weeks since in anabolics editions (especially 2006) it gives example cycles that are very low such as test enanthate at 250mg a week stacked with eq at 250mg a week for a total of 10 weeks. I know the author's main concern in on safety; however, he insisted with the right nutrition, attitude, and training a newbie would produce dramatic results on the cycles listed.

I know one of my former trainers who only took 20mg of dianabol(maybe 25 i can't remember exactly but it was very low) along with 250 mg of deca for 8 weeks and went from 160-205 and dropped down to 185 lean after the cycle without pct (since pct didn't exist during his time). He is also short at around 5'6 and could squat and dead over 315 for 10-12 reps 3-4 sets before juicing too.

Also, didn't mick hart put his son on low dosages of sustanon and deca at 250 a piece for 8 weeks and he put on around 35-40 pounds that he kept in two cycles...

So I was interested in hearing guys thoughts on how much is actually needed to grow safely for a "recreational bodybuiler" and shouldn't 8 weeks be the max for a cycle if using over 500mg of test or using dianabol since the amound of stress being put on the organs and also in the long run too.

I just find this interesting since I see guys who can put on 20+ pounds on just 250mg of test a week for 8 weeks for a first cycle as compared to many guys putting only 15-20 at 500mg and then losing alot after pct... Is training and nutrition lacking ?
Given the guys using low dosages I know are financially blessed where they don't have to work currently and eat and go to the gym all day with their trainers.

 

[hazardousmaterials]

Test E at 500mg per week (in two 250 shots--one on Sunday, one on Thursday) for 12 weeks would be a great first cycle.

Have your PCT ready to go. Might want to use 12.5mg of Aromasin ED during the cycle to keep down bloat.

Good luck.

HZMT

 

[solidspine]

How old are you?

How long have you been lifting?

 

[Pump2356]

Yes thanks I know 500mg per week can be a good first cycle Hazardousmaterials

My point and question I was trying to get across was if 500mg of test is necessary for a first cycle for an individual who is a "recreational bodybuilder" and not a pro and should it be run longer than 8 weeks ( since its proven to be very hard on the body after 8 weeks and over 500mg) Since itsn't diet and nutrition the most important and if that is key shouldn't someone on just 250mg a week of say sustanon or enanthate gain 15+ pounds on their first cycle with a good possibility of having no side effects during the cycle and later on in life ?

Couldn't someone use 200mg of eq/or deca stacked with 250mg of test and get the same results with minimal side effects and hardly being harsh on the organs for a first cycle?

 

[blut wump]

A lot depends on where you are when you start. If someone at 6'2" weighing 120 pounds runs a cycle then huge gains are likely with a good diet and half-decent training since he was almost certainly under-nourished and basically untrained.

If someone waits and builds himself up to 250 or 260 before starting a cycle then only relatively small gains are likely since he is already close to his natural limits and already very well-trained.

 

[auto14972]

Hey guys,


I was just curious as to why many boards say to start off with 500mg of test for 10-12 weeks since in anabolics editions (especially 2006) it gives example cycles that are very low such as test enanthate at 250mg a week stacked with eq at 250mg a week for a total of 10 weeks. I know the author's main concern in on safety; however, he insisted with the right nutrition, attitude, and training a newbie would produce dramatic results on the cycles listed.

I know one of my former trainers who only took 20mg of dianabol(maybe 25 i can't remember exactly but it was very low) along with 250 mg of deca for 8 weeks and went from 160-205 and dropped down to 185 lean after the cycle without pct (since pct didn't exist during his time). He is also short at around 5'6 and could squat and dead over 315 for 10-12 reps 3-4 sets before juicing too.

Also, didn't mick hart put his son on low dosages of sustanon and deca at 250 a piece for 8 weeks and he put on around 35-40 pounds that he kept in two cycles...

So I was interested in hearing guys thoughts on how much is actually needed to grow safely for a "recreational bodybuiler" and shouldn't 8 weeks be the max for a cycle if using over 500mg of test or using dianabol since the amound of stress being put on the organs and also in the long run too.

I just find this interesting since I see guys who can put on 20+ pounds on just 250mg of test a week for 8 weeks for a first cycle as compared to many guys putting only 15-20 at 500mg and then losing alot after pct... Is training and nutrition lacking ?
Given the guys using low dosages I know are financially blessed where they don't have to work currently and eat and go to the gym all day with their trainers.

My guess would be since your combining both Test and Eq you wouldn't need as high a dose as if using test alone.

 

[slat1]

You can pack on lean mass with just ten weeks at 250mgs.
I am a big believer in using as little as you need to reach your goals.
I get better results clean (with low test) then guys at my gym on a gram a week get.
Its all what you eat!

 

[halfcenturian]

That's prolly the best FIRST cycle you could run. IMO.

Toss in 30 mg Dbol/ ED for 4 weeks to kick it off until Test kicks in. (a month)

(OPTIONAL) Close out cycle with var or winnie to harden you up last 4 weeks.

Nolva, aromasin, for PCT. Clomid is fukced up. Good luck.

Don't forget to EAT EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!

 

[littleb]

You can pack on lean mass with just ten weeks at 250mgs.
I am a big believer in using as little as you need to reach your goals.
I get better results clean (with low test) then guys at my gym on a gram a week get.
Its all what you eat!

^^ agreed^^

 

[jitc476]

You can pack on lean mass with just ten weeks at 250mgs.
I am a big believer in using as little as you need to reach your goals.
I get better results clean (with low test) then guys at my gym on a gram a week get.
Its all what you eat!

Agree. Would it be safe to say that you can recieve just as good results, if not better running 250 ew with a great diet, as to a 500 mg ew cycle with a shitty diet?

 

[Triple J]

the obvious problem with higher dose test cycles is the estrogen. so you have to use an ai to manage that aspect, which complicates matters. i see nothing wrong with a low dose T cycle (low enough to minimize the use of an ai) along with an anabolic which does not aromatize. it just depends somewhat on your individual propensity to aromatize, and how you like the boated feeling. personally i like to stay dry but also i feel best with minimal ai use. so that means low dose T plus things like proviron, anavar, primo. i had better luck with my ai usage when i sourced it direct from a us pharmacy. my experience with research sources has been spotty, and that makes it hard to figure out the dosing. seems the last few times i ended up bloating with achy joints, the worst of both worlds, which tells me something wasn't right with my ai. I upped the dose to address the bloat, and ended up killing my joints and sex drive, but still was bloated. that just aint right. i did not have that problem with my pharmacy sourced letro, taken at 1 tab/wk (split into two dosages).

so a 500/mg wk test cycle i would say have your anti-estrogen approach figured out. if you got that under control then go for it.

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

Will 250 mg a week of test E work for everybody? It seems low...

 

[dsh89]

The reason a lot of boards suggest test only as a first cycle is so that you learn how you react to the compound. If you are running more than one compound and have issues, such as gyno, you will not know which is causing the problem. And over 8 weeks is not a "max". There are plenty of guys on test year round.

 

[digit0x]

You can pack on lean mass with just ten weeks at 250mgs.
I am a big believer in using as little as you need to reach your goals.
I get better results clean (with low test) then guys at my gym on a gram a week get.
Its all what you eat!

Listen to slat. Couple years ago he gave me the same advice and I'm telling you, you will do fine with 250 every 6-7 days. For your first cycle @ 250 you could easily pack on 15 pounds of keepable gains (probably more) with little sides, with all other things in check. That means a lot though, proper eating, exercise are key, and supplementation will help.

 

[Pump2356]

yes over 8 weeks may not be a max but in terms of negatively affecting ones health, using a strong test such as enth,cyp,suspen,or sustanon at a high dose(750mg+) can greatly affect the kidneys in the long run... I believe the author of anabolics said not to go over 8 weeks with this dosage or using dianabol for this amount of time. Even at 500mg can be hazardous if over 8 weeks. Though he listed in the 2006 addition of a 2001 study where males were given 600mg of test for 20 weeks and all that changed was the good cholesterol, but was concerned that this dosage might affect cardiovascular health later on in life

I guess its up to the individual on how they want to plan their cycle(or lack their of a cycle if your a IFBB pro or someother serious sport) to fit individual goals...

 

[oxymed]

Will 250 mg a week of test E work for everybody? It seems low...

dosent do shit for me!

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

You can pack on lean mass with just ten weeks at 250mgs.
I am a big believer in using as little as you need to reach your goals.
I get better results clean (with low test) then guys at my gym on a gram a week get.
Its all what you eat!

Is the suitability/effectiveness of 250 mg EW vs. 500 mg EW test Enth dependant on bodyweight, cycle history, etc or no?

 

[GLEN]

my bro in texas says he does 250mg cycles with nitrix and no2s and thats what he uses to win comp's///he said sometimes he uses 500mg and then with armidex or something to keep bloat...hes no pro but hes no joke either and he placed in top 3 few times and won one....he looks great

less to me is better...work harder, diet, have fun

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

I agree to the less is more philosophy with the use of AAS.

 

[dsh89]

Well when you use more mg per week, up to a point steroids do work a lot better. Otherwise pros would not be using a gram a week. And scientific studies have shown this. The business about cycles over 8 weeks beig "hazardous" is an exaggeration. I have personally been on for 22 weeks now, and I am having no problems. Fuck I feel great actually lol. And yes I regularly check my bloodwork and blood pressure.

 

[bigmodean]

My first cycle was 500mg test e. ew/10 weeks,4000 clean cals 6 days a week,junk food sundays,I put on a solid 11 lbs,but leaned up a tad,of course I was 32 and had 12 steady years of lifting natty under my belt.

 

[xrsist]

a guy i know at the gym is currently using only 250mg of test a week i think hes about a month in and hes put on 4kgs already. is his first cycle.