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What is an Assault Weapon? Comparison: "Assault Weapons" vs. Other Firearms

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Comparison: "Assault Weapons" vs. Other Firearms


The main intent of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was to make “military looking” firearms illegal. The supporters of the AWB believe that civilian versions of military weapons are more lethal than other firearms that operate in the same fashion, but do not look like military weapons.

Most of us that have reasonable knowledge and experience with firearms recognized from the start that the AWB definitions were primarily about the cosmetic features of the weapons and not their actual functionality or lethality.

This fact is supported by a quick comparison of a rifle that was banned (Colt AR-15) and one that was not. (Ruger Mini-14) Both of these weapons fire the same exact cartridge and bullet, the .223 Remington. Both are semi-automatic. Both can accept detachable magazines. Functionally, these are very similar weapons. So what is the main difference? The AR-15 has a black synthetic stock and looks like a military weapon. The Ruger Mini-14 has a wooden stock, and looks more “conventional.”

Before we examine the “Features Test” of the AWB, let us all acknowledge that every revolver, pistol, rifle or shotgun is a dangerous and potentially deadly tool. Regardless of the size, weight, caliber or color scheme, a firearm can destroy anything in front of the barrel when a trigger is pulled and the projectile is launched.

The AWB apparently attempts to make a distinction by creating a class of firearms that are, in some way, more dangerous than other firearms and therefore should be banned. The March 1999 report from the National Institute of Justice “Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994-1996” by Jeffrey A. Roth and Christopher S. Koper states:

"Although the weapons banned by this legislation were used only rarely in gun crimes before the ban, supporters felt that these weapons posed a threat to public safety because they are capable of firing many shots rapidly. They argued that these characteristics enhance offenders’ ability to kill and wound more persons and to inflict multiple wounds on each victim, so that a decrease in their use would reduce the fatality rate of gun attacks." (Emphasis added)

The supporters of the AWB believe that certain features on a firearm make it more “lethal.” By banning those features, the firearm would become less “lethal”, thereby making our world a much safer place. Of course, this line of thought ignores the only component which determines the lethality of any firearm: The intent of the person who pulls the trigger.

Those of us that oppose the AWB recognize the subjective nature of the features identified with the ban and argue that these features were chosen because of an emotional reaction to a few tragic, but nonetheless, anomalous incidents where military style weapons were used.

When we examine the banned weapons and compare them to weapons that were not banned, it is tough to find significant differences beyond the cosmetics.

FUNCTION OF ACTION

Many people not familiar with firearms do not make any distinction between a semi-automatic firearm and a fully automatic firearm. This is understandable, but the distinction needs to be made. A fully automatic firearm will fire multiple bullets with each trigger pull. These weapons are used by the military and law enforcement agencies. It is unlawful for a civilian to possess a fully-automatic weapon without special licensing from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. (BATF) This has been the case since 1934.

Although many of the banned weapons look like their fully automatic counterparts, they are not the same!

All of the banned weapons have a semi-automatic action. What this means is that after the firearm is fired, either a gas system or recoil system causes a mechanism to eject the shell casing and load a new round. Only one bullet is fired each time the trigger is fired. From a practical standpoint, a double action revolver could also be called “semi-automatic” since a bullet is fired each time the trigger is pulled. The only difference is in the mechanics.

There is nothing unique about a semi-automatic action. In fact, the semi-automatic action is more than 100 years old. This type of action is used in pistols, rifles and shotguns of all different styles and calibers.

AMMUNITION

The type of ammunition shot by these banned weapons is not special or unique; they fire a variety of different ammunition from rifle calibers of .223 to .308 to pistol calibers of .22 to .45. (For those that aren’t familiar with what those numbers mean, the caliber is basically the diameter of the bullet as measured in inches. So a .22 caliber is roughly a quarter inch in diameter.) These bullet types are not unusual and are used in literally hundreds of different firearms that are not banned.

COSMETIC FEATURES

Most people that have more than very basic knowledge of firearms recognize that the vast majority of “features” that define what an “assault weapon” is are strictly cosmetic and have absolutely no affect on the lethality of the firearm.

FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK

How short is short? The BATF requires that rifles and shotguns that have an overall length of less than 26 inches must be registered and owners of these weapons are required to pay licensing fees. All of the banned rifles and shotguns still have overall lengths of 26 inches, even if they have folding or telescoping stocks. All of these weapons were previously legal, and would still be legal if they had fixed stocks but were shortened to the legal limit of 26 inches. So, what is it that makes a folding stock so dangerous?

Proponents argue that folding stocks sacrifice accuracy for concealability and mobility. Most people familiar with these types of weapons would argue that a folding or telescoping stock does not affect accuracy at all.
The concealability issue is really questionable since it is legal to own a rifle or shotgun with an overall length of 26 inches. If, when the stock is folded and collapsed, the weapon is still 26 inches long, why should the type of stock be an issue?

Most people familiar with these weapons would acknowledge that a shortened stock can improve mobility. This is especially useful if one chooses to use one of these firearms as a personal defense weapon. Many SWAT teams and Special Forces units use very short versions of these weapons in situations involving urban areas just for that reason.
However, it must be noted that police and military units have NO restrictions on length. Some of these units use VERY short weapons with barrels only 8 to 10 inches long. These weapons would be illegal for a civilian to own without special licensing from the BATF.

PISTOL GRIP

The development of the pistol grip on rifles and shotguns is really an offshoot of improved ergonomics. It is just more comfortable to carry a rifle or shotgun with a pistol grip. When carrying a rifle with a pistol grip, your wrist is allowed to stay straight and inline with your lower arm. If one tries to carry a rifle with a conventional stock, one has to “cock” the wrist at about a 45-degree angle in order to hold on to it. This can cause cramping and fatigue.

According to The Brady Campaign “A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. The pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and make it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed.”

Any rifle or shotgun can be “fired from the hip” if one is not concerned with accuracy. There is nothing about a pistol grip that makes this easier. If a shooter wants to hit an object, he or she must use some type of sighting device, otherwise it is pure luck. Unless you are a movie star.

Which makes one wonder what movies the folks at the Brady Campaign are watching. In real life, no one in his or her right mind would think of shooting a high-powered rifle or shotgun with one hand. That is an injury or accident waiting to happen. However, if your total knowledge of firearms is what you see on television or at the movies, it is understandable that one would conclude that shooting one-handed is effective.

BARREL SHROUD
When guns are fired, the barrel gets hot. Just how hot is determined by many things including the type of barrel, type of ammunition fired and the frequency of fire. Barrel shrouds prevent burns. That is their only purpose. They do not affect the functioning of the gun.

FLASH SUPPRESSOR

Proponents of the AWB argue that flash suppressors allow a shooter to be concealed when shooting at night. Anyone that has watched news reports of our military firing weapons at night, or has fired these types of weapons at night will recognize that flash suppressors can reduce the amount of flame that shoots 18 inches beyond the barrel, but they do not eliminate it.

Recoil buffers are sometimes confused with flash suppressors. Recoil buffers are an effective way of improving the accuracy and enjoyment of firing high-powered weapons by reducing “felt” recoil and “barrel jump.”
It must be noted that flash suppressors and recoil buffers are legal to have on any other rifle, just not the ones designated as “Assault Weapons.”

THREADED BARRELS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE SILENCERS

The term “silencer” is really misapplied to high-powered rifles. A sound “suppressor” would be more appropriate. Some military firearms have barrels machined with threads so that they might be able to accept a sound suppressor. However, the threading does not effect the operation of the firearm at all. The concern should be the sound suppressor itself, not threads on a barrel.

It is not legal to own a sound suppressor unless one obtains a license from the BATF; therefore, whether or not a weapon can accept a silencer is completely irrelevant.

BARREL MOUNT TO ACCEPT A BAYONET

This issue is almost laughable. When was the last time anyone was stabbed with a bayonet extending from the barrel of an “Assault Weapon?” Is this really a public safety issue?

DETACHABLE MAGAZINE

There are a number of different ways that cartridges can be carried in a weapon. Revolvers use a round cylinder which rotates each time the weapon is fired. Some rifles and shotguns use a tubular magazine, which uses a spring to feed a new cartridge into place. Some rifles have an internal, non-detachable magazine. The capacity of these various types range from 3 to more than 20 cartridges.

A detachable magazine is a component that individual cartridges are loaded into, but it differs from those previously noted because it can be removed from the firearm. One can carry multiple magazines and re-load the firearm quickly and efficiently. There are a variety of pistols and rifles that use a detachable magazine. The capacity of a magazine varies by the physical size of the cartridge, and the type of firearm it is used in. Most military style weapons can accept magazines that typically carry 10 to 30 cartridges at a time.

The AWB has made it illegal for a citizen to own or purchase magazines with capacities larger than 10 cartridges that have been manufactured or imported after the ban was made law.

The intent of having a smaller magazine capacity is that a criminal could not fire as many shots as rapidly, therefore reducing the ability to kill of wound more people. However, the statistical evidence reported in the previously mentioned National Institute of Justice report shows:

“The ban has failed to reduce the average number of victims per gun murder incident or multiple gunshot wound victims.”

Because “assault weapons” are rarely used in gun crimes, a significant change in numbers of victims would not be expected.

CONCLUSION

Beyond appearance, there are no significant differences between those weapons that are affected by the 1994 AWB and those that are not. The banned weapons are no more lethal than any of the weapons that are not banned. The 1994 AWB was an emotional legislative response to the perception of a major public safety and law enforcement problem.

If one looks objectively at the facts and statistical evidence regarding the uses of these banned weapons and crime, the conclusion is obvious. The AWB is not effective and should be allowed to expire.
 
Cause liberals think "assault weapons" can fly by their own. In Cali hey even think anything except a Mini-14 and M1A is an assault weapon. This of course, in order to prevent homicides and lower the debt lol
 
85 more days...85 more days until i have a new toy to play with. right now, it may be for LE only, but in 85 days all of us can own one.
 
p0ink said:
85 more days...85 more days until i have a new toy to play with. right now, it may be for LE only, but in 85 days all of us can own one.

85 more days till the BATF lifts all the stupid import rules for US civilians. More business for me :p
 
p0ink said:
are 'silencers' legal in canada without some retarded class III permit?

No but thank God, Harper will be elected and gun laws will change. But we can own virtually anything no matter where the firearm was made. That's why I can own and sell Sig 552 rifles here but can't sell them to US civilians cause they were made outside of the country.
 
p0ink said:
you own a firearms store?

For the moment I dont have a "physical" store. I import and sell to anybody (including civilians) and also buy/re-sell used firearms. I wouldn't sell shit if I had a store cause of the God damn sale's taxes here but selling to other provinces/countries is a good way to by-pass this. Concerning new firearms I deal mostly with Sig, H&K, Walther, Colt and Norinco (banned in your country).
 
p0ink said:
shit, homey. post up a list of your products and prices.

Just hit me with your e-mail, I'll send you a list. Please note the BATF (paid with your taxes) is giving us a hard time and refuses to issue import licenses since we deal with Norinco...
 
Hey, guys I used to work for Armalite. They make AR-15's, and AR-10's. I have Worked for the largest maker of M1A's since 1989. Check out the XD's. We're coming out with a new model that is chambered for .45 Glock ammo. It's weird to see a gun thread on here. I still have good connections at Armalite. I am also connected at Rock River Arms, another AR-15 maker. They make very good quality AR's. They take their time in assembly, and they don't cut corners on parts.
 
what do you think on 'kit' guns? you know, building a weapon part by part?

i see lots of mp5 clones made from HK parts.
 
marshallmadman said:
Hey, guys I used to work for Armalite. They make AR-15's, and AR-10's. I have Worked for the largest maker of M1A's since 1989. Check out the XD's. We're coming out with a new model that is chambered for .45 Glock ammo. It's weird to see a gun thread on here. I still have good connections at Armalite. I am also connected at Rock River Arms, another AR-15 maker. They make very good quality AR's. They take their time in assembly, and they don't cut corners on parts.

are you still working in the firearms industry? are manufacturers increasing production any for the AWB sunset in sept?
 
p0ink said:
wait, you guys can own automatic weapons? i thought the sig 552 is auto?

The 552 comes in FA or semi-auto. We have acces to the semi-auto version. Yes we can own full-autos as long as we have the 12 (2) license. Conservatives will probably introduce the progressive licensing system (where someone would pass different exam each giving access to a different class till you reach full-autos).

Here's the CQB version with 9" barrel:

sigcqb.jpg
 
Yeah, I work for Springfield Armory. We aren't currently increasing production. We are, however, hoarding some assorted pre-ban magazines.
 
marshallmadman said:
Yeah, I work for Springfield Armory. We aren't currently increasing production. We are, however, hoarding some assorted pre-ban magazines.

do you think other manufacturers are going to increase production and start putting more 'high cap' magazines out soon?
 
p0ink said:
what do you think on 'kit' guns? you know, building a weapon part by part?

i see lots of mp5 clones made from HK parts.

Pricey if you take brand name parts. And you'd still be screwed cause of the AWB and it's 16.5" barrel lenght rule. Take a look here: http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/

They make MP5 clones at a reasonnable price (something like 1500$ compared to 8000$ for a Class III MP5). It's not H&K's quality but at least you get something cool.
 
Damn, Manny! I remember when we used to import MP5's, Uzi Pistols (both 9mm, and .45 cal), SAR-4800's, and SAR-8's (the real ones, not the crappy cast aluminum reciever pieces of shit everyone is selling for 400 bucks these days) If I would have been smart I woud have one of everything I just listed.
As for other manufacturers upping production, I haven't heard anything to back that theory up. In the past we have barreled up every M1A receiver that we had in stock, and waited for ATF to come in, and make the call as to whether or not those particular guns made it under the wire. When I was working for Armalite '95-'96, we had quite a selection of Pre-Ban AR-15 lower receivers that went for twice the price of Post-Ban receivers. Basically, all you have to do is have a serial number stamped before the pertinent date, and that serial numbered firearm is termed Pre-Ban.
 
I am what they call a Materials Controller. Whatever that is. I work within the realm of production/purchasing/inventory control. I work with vendors, movement of parts within the plant, and scheduling of manufacturing.
 
What gets me is that the "broomhandle" Mauser was invented in 1898. There is no essential difference between it and a Glock in capacity, speed to reload, or stopping power per cartridge (they're both available in 9mm).

Yet the broomie is an antique and technically should fall under the same law as a black-powder single-shot. (And in another seven years, so should the M1911, the .45 automatic.)
 
digger said:
What gets me is that the "broomhandle" Mauser was invented in 1898. There is no essential difference between it and a Glock in capacity, speed to reload, or stopping power per cartridge (they're both available in 9mm).

Yet the broomie is an antique and technically should fall under the same law as a black-powder single-shot. (And in another seven years, so should the M1911, the .45 automatic.)

I think (if your laws are the same as here) that an antique had to be produced before 1898 (not only invented) and had to be chambered for a claiber not commonly available.

Best example I have would be a Martini-Henry .455-570
 
why have guns been around so long? people have walked on the fucking moon for shit sake, why cant someone just come up with a new type of weapon? like a lazer gun, or some type of atom zapper or a sonar gun that scrambles peoples brains. how about a gun that just stops a sob's heart lol
 
marshallmadman said:
I am what they call a Materials Controller. Whatever that is. I work within the realm of production/purchasing/inventory control. I work with vendors, movement of parts within the plant, and scheduling of manufacturing.

you must be able to get your hands on whatever your heart desires, then.
 
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- Three Birmingham police officers were shot and killed near 18th Street and Avenue P in Ensley about 1:30 p.m. Thursday.



The officers have been identified as Carlos Owens, Harley Chisholm and Charles Robert Bennett. A fourth officer, Michael Collins, was also attacked, but he was not injured.

Though details are still sketchy, police officials at the scene have told NBC13 they believe that the officers were shot by SKS automatic rifles as they approached a house to serve a warrant to Nathaniel L. Woods, a resident of Fairfield.

According to officials, an SKS rifle would be powerful enough to penetrate the bulletproof vests that are a standard item issued to each Birmingham officer.
 
CHICAGO, Sept. 19 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Chicago police officers were fired upon by an assailant who used an SKS semi-automatic assault rifle last Saturday, September 13th. Chicago police officers returned fire and killed the assailant, 23-year-old Shurron Grant.

Although no police officers were injured in the tragic shooting, the incident illustrates the threat of immense firepower that faces Illinois police officers with the availability of assault rifles on the streets. According to FBI statistics, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons. The shooting on September 13th marked the one-year countdown before the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expires unless Congress takes action.

"Exactly one year from the date that the Federal Assault Weapons Ban will sunset, Chicago police officers came under fire from an assault rifle. It's time for President Bush and every member of Congress to act and get assault rifles off our streets," said Thom Mannard, Executive Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

Just one month earlier, on August 13th, 2003, two teenage boys were involved in a gang battle armed with an AK-47 when police arrested them. Incidents like these demonstrate the easy availability of assault weapons in Illinois and across the country.

"Despite the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, many assault rifles are still easily available because the gun industry has willfully circumvented the ban and created a new class of 'post-ban' assault rifles," continued Mannard. "By making minor cosmetic changes to banned assault rifles, the gun industry continues to sell military-style semi-automatic weapons. This is why the Assault Weapons Ban needs to be strengthened and not repealed."
 
once again, 4everhung, there is no difference between the 'assualt' rifles used in the shooting before or after the ban, other than some cosmetic modifications. these weapons are not automatic weapons, they are regular, semi-automatic weapons.
 
why in God's hell would you need one of these weapons?
you're not going to have them handy in an emergency
seems to me the govt needs to edit the ban and augment it
a little story
about 15 years ago I was walking along the birmingham streets late sat nite with 5 chicks
suddenly 4 youths emerged from an alley way and assaulted the gals in a robbery
snatching purses etc.
one girl,Jill,wouldn't give up her purse and there was a struggle
at this point 2 of the kids pulled thier guns and pointed them at me,as I as the only guy presented the main intervention threat
I screamed,along with the other girls to Jill to "let it go"
it was getting tense for mineself
at that moment a brown plain jane ford taurus pulled up quickly and out jumped a lone officer
the 4 kids scattered
 
ever since your country has pretty much made every weapon illegal crime has gone through the roof. we don't need that shit here.

if you can promise me and everyone else that we will *never* be put in harms way by someone else with a weapon, than i will gladly give it up. until then, i will continue to be a very firm supporter of a person's right to own a firearm.

drugs were made illegal here, and guess what? there are still drugs in the country! *gasp* how could that be if they were made illegal? you think something will change if they do the same thing to guns? pfft...

a gun ban would only affect your law abiding citizen, not the common criminal.
 
I don't think "crime has gone through the roof"
off the top of my head I have heard about falling crime stats in Chicago and NY
the US society is very prosperous,and hence those w/o will attempt to gain by nefarious ways
in some of these "high crime" communities there is a considerable amount of networking
whereby "legit" citizens can get the guns and then pass them along for cash
do you think those teenage boyz that pulled those guns on me bought them themselves?
if a ban makes it just that more difficult,than I'm for it
I ask again why you would need an assault rifle?
unless some heavily armed and protected assailant breaks into your home and you need to out gun him
I don't see how you need that caliber of weapon
In the vast amount of incidences a regular fire arm would be adequate
myself I don't own any guns,but yes at times I am a bit more comfortable in certain environments as I look like I could be carrying a weapon in my car
and If I were married I would equip my wife with a weapon,
but I can't see her carrying an AR-15 to walmart
 
4everhung said:
I don't think "crime has gone through the roof"
off the top of my head I have heard about falling crime stats in Chicago and NY
the US society is very prosperous,and hence those w/o will attempt to gain by nefarious ways
in some of these "high crime" communities there is a considerable amount of networking
whereby "legit" citizens can get the guns and then pass them along for cash
do you think those teenage boyz that pulled those guns on me bought them themselves?
if a ban makes it just that more difficult,than I'm for it
I ask again why you would need an assault rifle?
unless some heavily armed and protected assailant breaks into your home and you need to out gun him
I don't see how you need that caliber of weapon
In the vast amount of incidences a regular fire arm would be adequate
myself I don't own any guns,but yes at times I am a bit more comfortable in certain environments as I look like I could be carrying a weapon in my car
and If I were married I would equip my wife with a weapon,
but I can't see her carrying an AR-15 to walmart

Why do people need Jaguars, corvettes, mercedes's, etc? Why not punish the people who misuse firearms instead of us responsible gun owners? Also, an SKS is a far cry from an assault weapon. It has less power than a lever action 30-30, one of the most famous cartridges of all time and designed around the turn of the century. Finally, the second amendment guarantees my right to own firearms, and says nothing about reasonable restrictions.
 
SKS automatic......lol I'd like to see one of these full-auto.

P0ink: will send you an e-mail of what I have available. Hopefully in september if democRats don't fuck up everything, I'll be able to sell you whatever you can legally own.
 
4everhung said:
why in God's hell would you need one of these weapons?
you're not going to have them handy in an emergency
seems to me the govt needs to edit the ban and augment it
a little story
about 15 years ago I was walking along the birmingham streets late sat nite with 5 chicks
suddenly 4 youths emerged from an alley way and assaulted the gals in a robbery
snatching purses etc.
one girl,Jill,wouldn't give up her purse and there was a struggle
at this point 2 of the kids pulled thier guns and pointed them at me,as I as the only guy presented the main intervention threat
I screamed,along with the other girls to Jill to "let it go"
it was getting tense for mineself
at that moment a brown plain jane ford taurus pulled up quickly and out jumped a lone officer
the 4 kids scattered

When you have the right to do something, you dont need to justify yourself. Only in socialist/communist countries you'll be asked why and how it is not a threat to collective welfare...
 
Let me translate this bill for you.


"Assault weapons are too dangerous.. when we come to take your farm/house/business after we piss all over the constitution we DONT want you shooting back at us with one of them.. PLUS it has the added benefit of looking good to brain dead housewives who vote based solelu upon their opinion totally derived from anything they see on Oprah Winfrey shows"
 
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