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Dose pct matter to you? How much does keeping your gains matter to you?

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needtogetaas

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Fore almost 4 years now I have been working with members of elite fitness and doing everything I can to help them with all there needs.

many of the members I have watched over for years now. They have come to me for advice time and time again. And I always come threw for them. Not just new members(though I always help the newbs too). But long time members.

One peace of advice I have maintained firm on over the years is about pct. For almost as long as I been helping members and longer then I have been a mod I have been advising everyone to use
Primordial Performance products. And for pct I have adviced people to at least add in Sustain Alpha to there pct or use
Testosterone Recovery Stack for pct out right.

I started out with Primordial Performance a few years ago when they came to this site with there revolutionary brake threw product Dermacrine. I used the product,got test after only two weeks of use

amshw4.jpg


For me I was convinced it was a great product and that Primordial Performance
was on the edge of something big.

I was happy to jump on board with Primordial Performance
and have never been let down since. from there first product Dermacrine up till now.


When they came out with with all the products in the Testosterone Recovery Stack Like always I was the first to try them and one of the first to advocate the use of them for pct.

If you been reading my post on ef (how could you miss them) you are prob well aware of my love for the members and for the site. And how I show this love in every way I can. from just keeping the site clean and running the mod team, to spending 4-5 hours a day in pm's with the members.

My heart is with all of ef. And for this reason I never ever put any of these members below myself or personal gain. I did all that i do now for 3 years for nothing. Not even a dime. And though I would not be to happy (ha ha) I would still be the same way if I had to be.


Guys.. pct is not a joke. Its not something any of us can take lightly. A bad pct can not only make us lose valuable gains but in some cases it can leave people shut down or messed up for a long time.

For this reason. I am offering up this peace of advice. Please go the extra mile with your pct. Get that bottle of Sustain Alpha and add it to the pct you think you are fine with. If you have not tried it you are going to be pretty damn happy you did.

Go the extra mile. Take the jump over to
Testosterone Recovery Stack for pct.

If you are thinking about throwing in a bottle of unleadshed or post cycle for your pct. Just do it. This is your gains and your recovery we are talking about here.

Most of the time when some one tells you AAAAH don't use it use nolva or clomid. Thats all. Well most of the time and I am sorry to say this. That person really does not care at all about you or your recovery/pct. He just likes hearin himself talk. Or likes to think he is right and refuses to open his mind about things.


Primordial Performance guys. You will not be sorry. Do it for yourself. And pm me for a discount because i also like to make sure people get the products as cheap as they can get them. We all need to save money.

Thanks bro's
 
Lean and Mean said:
What will unleashed or post cycle do for my PCT that PP's testosterone recovery stack won't?
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well off the top of my head... Free test levels. unleased will raise them. trs I am sure dose not address this.. Is it a must. not really. will it or can it make a big difference? yes

Liver function. This plays a bit of a role after a cycle as well as on. After all your liver filters everything from protein to estrogen. Post cycle and unleashed also address this and I am sure its ont one of the trs focal points.

And nolva/clomid address non of this. Not a thing. So its up to you ya know.
 
And what a lot of guys don't realize, is that certain drugs like HCG and Arimidex (and even Clomid, if it works for you) just help you with the first step -- as a "bridge" from enhanced to natural. Sooner or later, your body has to work and support the HPTA on its own, and it needs help. That's where the supps come in. They help the body operate on its own without having to depend on drug assistance.

Until you're off all drugs, you haven't really recovered.
 
needtogetaas said:
well off the top of my head... Free test levels. unleased will raise them. trs I am sure dose not address this.. Is it a must. not really. will it or can it make a big difference? yes

Liver function. This plays a bit of a role after a cycle as well as on. After all your liver filters everything from protein to estrogen. Post cycle and unleashed also address this and I am sure its ont one of the trs focal points.

And nolva/clomid address non of this. Not a thing. So its up to you ya know.
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Needto mentioned liver function. So true.

The liver plays an important role in cholesterol levels. Everyone should know tht the first step for the body making testosterone is cholesterol. If your liver is not functioning properly, or has a higher values because of oral use, your cholesterol levels ae going to be out of whack. And when your cholesterol levels are out of whack, testosterone production can suffer. PostCycle helps restore optimum liver function.

One other way to help combat crappy cholesterol balance and overall cardiovascular health is by supplementing with resveratrol. Luckily, Primordial Performance is genius at this, and has added resveratrol right into their product Sustain Alpha s part of the PCT protocol.
 
Thanks for your efforts fella... it is really great to know someone has a genuine interest for others.
I not sure where i can get test recovery stack in the UK so chances are i'll need your advice as to what a good alternative is that i should try source
 
weallhaveourday said:
Thanks for your efforts fella... it is really great to know someone has a genuine interest for others.
I not sure where i can get test recovery stack in the UK so chances are i'll need your advice as to what a good alternative is that i should try source
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Yes the trs can be sent to you
 
The switchover is only 3 weeks long. That was at your instruction :evil: . So when i get back down to 600mg it will be for at least two months at that dose. You still think i should need a-dex at the end? I have no sides from the deca whatsoever. And absolutely no bloat from the test. Even at the high dose during switchover.
 
you guys have me interested now..so- ive got a question..im coming up on 40 with 20yrs hard training and one cycle 10 yrs ago..Dbol and Omadren250. in about a month im gonna do what may be my last cycle..its gonna be a light one and id be interested in what product you'd recomend for pct and why-

w1-3 dbol about 30mg a day
w1-8 test E 250mg a week or every 5th day
w6-12 anavar 50mg a day..

i may only go 10wks- we'll see- I was thinking of some adex during and nolva pct- better suggestions?

thanks in advance!

T
 
I'm 36...on my 2nd cycle ever and may do around 10 - 15 cycles more...lol

My PCT / BRIDGE unto next cycle ?

TRS
Post cycle
Unleashed

Tadaa !!!!! :biggrin:
 
Hey bro.. Are you serious?

I am 21 years old, 180 cm and weigh 90 kg. Bf 12%.
I have been working out for 4 years where the last 6 months have been super serious. I gain super fast though, since I have pretty good genes+ I used to wrestle for almost 10 years so i have a pretty solid base. Here is my question.

Right now I am cutting down to 6-7% and then I will start bulking and do my First cycle. I will be doing 300-500 mg Primo a week, and will run the cycle for 12 weeks. So what you are saying is that instead of HCG and nolva for 4 weeks I can do:

TRS
Post cycle
Unleashed

I will also Add ZMA.

But is this really enough to keep my gains and to recover 100%? Can you please instruct me on how to do it, like when do I start and how many packages of each should I buy?

Thx
 
Buffguy1000 said:
Hey bro.. Are you serious?

I am 21 years old, 180 cm and weigh 90 kg. Bf 12%.
I have been working out for 4 years where the last 6 months have been super serious. I gain super fast though, since I have pretty good genes+ I used to wrestle for almost 10 years so i have a pretty solid base. Here is my question.

Right now I am cutting down to 6-7% and then I will start bulking and do my First cycle. I will be doing 300-500 mg Primo a week, and will run the cycle for 12 weeks. So what you are saying is that instead of HCG and nolva for 4 weeks I can do:

TRS
Post cycle
Unleashed

I will also Add ZMA.

But is this really enough to keep my gains and to recover 100%? Can you please instruct me on how to do it, like when do I start and how many packages of each should I buy?

Thx
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for that cycle right there yes that is all you would need. 2 weeks after you cycle is over start all of them and run them for 4 weeks. All you need is 1 of each.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
The switchover is only 3 weeks long. That was at your instruction :evil: . So when i get back down to 600mg it will be for at least two months at that dose. You still think i should need a-dex at the end? I have no sides from the deca whatsoever. And absolutely no bloat from the test. Even at the high dose during switchover.
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Ya bur still them some big ass doses lol.
 
needtogetaas said:
Ya bur still them some big ass doses lol.
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So then even after 8 weeks of Test E at 600/wk and deca at 200wk, you think what... .5mg E3D during PCT then? I shouldnt need much. I hate a-dex cause it makes my joints hurt too.

As long as we are talking PCT, Since I'm running E and deca, I will stop the deca at least 1-2 weeks before test. So now the great debate....start PCT 7 or 14 days after last shot of E?
 
Adex shouldn't make your joints hurt. Having too low an estrogen level makes your joints hurt, in which case that means you're taking too much. Adex is strong. You don't need much. In-between cycles,the UNLEASHED, TRS and POST CYCLE combo will keep e under control with no joint problems.
 
my cycle is
abombs 150mgs/ED weeks 1-4
test e. 300mgs Mon and Thurs. weeks 1-8
d.e.c.a. 300mgs Mon Weeks 1-8
pre-p.c.t. Proviron 50 mgs weeks 6-10
P.C.T is TRS and 10mgs of Nolva weeks 11-14
My question is, would this cycle require anything more than TRS, and the other supps mentioned in this thread or would I need to incorporate heavier drugs?
 
lookinfit75 said:
my cycle is
abombs 150mgs/ED weeks 1-4
test e. 300mgs Mon and Thurs. weeks 1-8
d.e.c.a. 300mgs Mon Weeks 1-8
pre-p.c.t. Proviron 50 mgs weeks 6-10
P.C.T is TRS and 10mgs of Nolva weeks 11-14
My question is, would this cycle require anything more than TRS, and the other supps mentioned in this thread or would I need to incorporate heavier drugs?
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Include the UNLEASHED and POST CYLE ESPECIALLY if you do abombs. Drop the nolva. If you use deca it'll make matters worse.
 
Ok thank you Nelson. What do you think about the length? No need for an "official" anti E? I am just about done with the first half of the cycle and feel strong, so far.
Honestly I've made more than enough gains in strength and size so I was thinking of going till the 6 week mark instead of 8 and quiting while I'm ahead. I know that isn't the popular mentality amongst us here on the forum but I am not trying to do any permanent damage to my H.P.T.A and I've put on some nice size that I think I can keep once I've come off. I guess what I am trying to ask is if with proper P.C.T. how realistic is it to think I can keep the 15 lbs I've gain on this cycle (keeping in mind I still have another 2 - 4 weeks)? I know a lot of it is water from the abombs though :(
 
If you're happy with the gains at 6 weeks, you have a BETTER chance of keeping them if you stop now as opposed to staying suppressed longer.

You won't keep ALL the weight because obviously abombs increase blood and water and that goes away after cessation of use. Add some BIG BLAST to replace some of the lost volume.
 
Nelson Montana said:
If you're happy with the gains at 6 weeks, you have a BETTER chance of keeping them if you stop now as opposed to staying suppressed longer.

You won't keep ALL the weight because obviously abombs increase blood and water and that goes away after cessation of use. Add some BIG BLAST to replace some of the lost volume.
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Thanks Neslon. It just seems more logical to me to try and work on gaining smaller increments which are more keepable than trying to make large gains (which this cycle is yeilding) only to loose the majority of them once the cycle is ceased due to suppression. Not to mention the sides are less pronounced.
 
Nelson Montana said:
If you're happy with the gains at 6 weeks, you have a BETTER chance of keeping them if you stop now as opposed to staying suppressed longer.

You won't keep ALL the weight because obviously abombs increase blood and water and that goes away after cessation of use. Add some BIG BLAST to replace some of the lost volume.
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Nelson, my problem is almost same.

Even with long esters such as hex,cyp,enanthate ; I reach 98% of my peak measurement sizes by week 6.
I also believe long esters work asap just like you said and I also believe 2 week of dbol kickstart is more than enough just like you said.

What kind of cycling plan would be the best choice for me?

thanks
 
aquatic_glories said:
Nelson, my problem is almost same.

Even with long esters such as hex,cyp,enanthate ; I reach 98% of my peak measurement sizes by week 6.
I also believe long esters work asap just like you said and I also believe 2 week of dbol kickstart is more than enough just like you said.

What kind of cycling plan would be the best choice for me?

thanks
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If we go back to the "old days" (the 90's), 6 weeks were the typical cycle length for guys who went on and off. The reason being, after a month or so, you peak, then you can make some more gains, and after that, they come slower and you have to resign yourself to being shut down. To some guys it's worth it. And then they go back on it a month or two! But I feel, if you're going to do that, you might as well stay on. You can't keep shutting down the HPTA and restarting it if you expect to recover fully. But there are a whole host of excuses -- guys say the ester doesn;t kick in for 6 weeks, or staying on "solidifies" the gains, or they do PCT so they're fine. It's all rationalizing and denial.
 
I have actually been thinking of trying the 6 week cycle routine. Plus never trying d-bol or a-bombs before I was thinking of doing cycles like, 6 weeks a-bombs only, or 6 weeks d-bol only, or d-bol and prop for 6 weeks, or tren and prop. Hit it hard, get in, get out.
The only shitty thing about that is, PCT. Having to buy PP's TRS and Post cycle and Unleashed each time for multiple short cycles would get very expensive.
 
I am also thinking of 2-3 week cycles with some prime dieting before that. I might focus on lagging bodyparts on that AAS period. Then repeat when necessary

I am thinking lot of things right now but in none of them , cycles are over 6 weeks LOL
 
I am happy with the gains I've made in these first 4 weeks and am seriously considering calling it quits after the 6th week. The more I think about it from a logical stand point, it makes more sense to maintain a healthy H.P.T.A. and use that to maintain the gains as opposed to using pharmacology.
 
needtogetaas said:
Fore almost 4 years now I have been working with members of elite fitness and doing everything I can to help them with all there needs.

many of the members I have watched over for years now. They have come to me for advice time and time again. And I always come threw for them. Not just new members(though I always help the newbs too). But long time members.

One peace of advice I have maintained firm on over the years is about pct. For almost as long as I been helping members and longer then I have been a mod I have been advising everyone to use
Primordial Performance products. And for pct I have adviced people to at least add in Sustain Alpha to there pct or use
Testosterone Recovery Stack for pct out right.

I started out with Primordial Performance a few years ago when they came to this site with there revolutionary brake threw product Dermacrine. I used the product,got test after only two weeks of use

amshw4.jpg


For me I was convinced it was a great product and that Primordial Performance
was on the edge of something big.

I was happy to jump on board with Primordial Performance
and have never been let down since. from there first product Dermacrine up till now.


When they came out with with all the products in the Testosterone Recovery Stack Like always I was the first to try them and one of the first to advocate the use of them for pct.

If you been reading my post on ef (how could you miss them) you are prob well aware of my love for the members and for the site. And how I show this love in every way I can. from just keeping the site clean and running the mod team, to spending 4-5 hours a day in pm's with the members.

My heart is with all of ef. And for this reason I never ever put any of these members below myself or personal gain. I did all that i do now for 3 years for nothing. Not even a dime. And though I would not be to happy (ha ha) I would still be the same way if I had to be.


Guys.. pct is not a joke. Its not something any of us can take lightly. A bad pct can not only make us lose valuable gains but in some cases it can leave people shut down or messed up for a long time.

For this reason. I am offering up this peace of advice. Please go the extra mile with your pct. Get that bottle of Sustain Alpha and add it to the pct you think you are fine with. If you have not tried it you are going to be pretty damn happy you did.

Go the extra mile. Take the jump over to
Testosterone Recovery Stack for pct.

If you are thinking about throwing in a bottle of unleadshed or post cycle for your pct. Just do it. This is your gains and your recovery we are talking about here.

Most of the time when some one tells you AAAAH don't use it use nolva or clomid. Thats all. Well most of the time and I am sorry to say this. That person really does not care at all about you or your recovery/pct. He just likes hearin himself talk. Or likes to think he is right and refuses to open his mind about things.


Primordial Performance guys. You will not be sorry. Do it for yourself. And pm me for a discount because i also like to make sure people get the products as cheap as they can get them. We all need to save money.

Thanks bro's
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:heart::heart::heart:
 
The Pre-P.C.T. concept is THE SHIT. I am in this phase of my cycle now using Provi. and damn I feel great. Usually I am so over weights and cycling by this point of a cycle that I don't want to even work out but I am full of energy and looking forward to full blown P.C.T.
Thanks for the info Needto, you da meng!
 
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