your thoughts on my cycle

[hrlydvdson1]

bros, whatta yall think, give me some thoughts..................
here is the cycle that i ended up going with....
500 mgs of sus 250 per week
250 mgs of deca per week
35 mgs of dbol per day
injections will be sus monday, deca wednesday, sus friday..

 

[bullmuscle]

This is the usual Mass Cycle stack i've heard most do when combinning Sus, Deca, Dbol.

Week |Sustanon mg/wee| Dbol mg/day - Twice a day |Deca mg/week
1 |250 |40 |200
2 |250 |40 |300
3 |250 |40 |300
4 |250 |40 |400
5 |250 |30 |400
6 |250 |20 |400
7 |250 |- |300
8 |250 |- |200

*NOTE: Monitor yourself with a Dr. Consider your weight and age when doing a cycle like this. You should do a Clomid cycle after as well.

 

[slat1]

How long are you running that? Dbol the whole way? No PCT? You might also want to list your hieght, wieght, bf%, age and cylce history. That way everyone can give you and educated answer!

 

[Slyder190]

This is the usual Mass Cycle stack i've heard most do when combinning Sus, Deca, Dbol.

Week |Sustanon mg/wee| Dbol mg/day - Twice a day |Deca mg/week
1 |250 |40 |200
2 |250 |40 |300
3 |250 |40 |300
4 |250 |40 |400
5 |250 |30 |400
6 |250 |20 |400
7 |250 |- |300
8 |250 |- |200

*NOTE: Monitor yourself with a Dr. Consider your weight and age when doing a cycle like this. You should do a Clomid cycle after as well.

Please ignore the poor advice above.

Now, the Sus schedule is fine, but I'd bump the Deca to 400mg/week and shoot 200mg 2x a week on the same days as the Sus. Run them for at least 8 weeks, but 10 preferably. These compounds take 3 weeks to clear, so start PCT 3 weeks after your last injection.

Split the D-bol into 3 doses a dayfor 4-6 weeks.

Let's hear about your PCT plan now.


Now

 

[crfpilot14]

as usual, good advice from slyder. i would do sus 500/wk along with deca 400/wk. you can shoot both on M&Th. take dbol 30mg ed for wks 1-4/5 splitting the doses throughout the day. and you should definitely be taking adex at 0.5mg ed throughout this cycle. dont forget the liver detox as well.

for PCT i would do 500IU HCG 3x a wk for 3wks starting 3wks after your last shot along with 50mg clomid ed plus nolva 20mg ed. then continue the clomid/nolva ed for 2-3 more wks. especially if you extend this cycle for 10-12wks.

 

[LVTitan]

as usual, good advice from slyder. i would up the sus to 500/wk along with deca 400/wk. you can shoot both on M&Th. take dbol 30mg ed for wks 1-4/5 splitting the doses throughout the day. and you should definitely be taking adex at 0.5mg ed throughout this cycle. dont forget the liver detox as well.

for PCT i would do 500IU HCG 3x a wk for 3wks starting 3wks after your last shot along with 50mg clomid ed plus nolva 20mg ed. then continue the clomid/nolva ed for 2-3 more wks. especially if you extend this cycle for 10-12wks.

yes slyder has excellent advice , but i dont agree with you wanting to up him so much on dosages. this is his first cycle !! i would keep the dosages he originally stated, he should be fine, in fact i think his dbol dose is actually on the high side. lower the dbol dosage. keep the test deca the same if you want, but you can mix your deca and sust in the same pin and save poking yourself that often.
he already suggested 500mg week sust.. what deca are you going to use? 200 or 300mg/ml.. if its 200 then do 1cc each shot w/test for a total of 400, if its the 300mg/ml do 0.5cc each shot with your test for a total of 300
keep it simple, stay around 20-25 mg dbol

 

[crfpilot14]

i didnt see anything about first cycle...i guess it can be assumed with the amount of thought put into the cycle! but if he is gonna use those drugs he might as well do it right with a good PCT plan.

 

[LVTitan]

i didnt see anything about first cycle...i guess it can be assumed with the amount of thought put into the cycle! but if he is gonna use those drugs he might as well do it right with a good PCT plan.

i must have looked at it wrong haha, i just gave basically the same advice you did.. it's all good bro sorry to stomp on you.

 

[Apexx]

yes slyder has excellent advice , but i dont agree with you wanting to up him so much on dosages. this is his first cycle !! i would keep the dosages he originally stated, he should be fine, in fact i think his dbol dose is actually on the high side. lower the dbol dosage. keep the test deca the same if you want, but you can mix your deca and sust in the same pin and save poking yourself that often.
he already suggested 500mg week sust.. what deca are you going to use? 200 or 300mg/ml.. if its 200 then do 1cc each shot w/test for a total of 400, if its the 300mg/ml do 0.5cc each shot with your test for a total of 300
keep it simple, stay around 20-25 mg dbol

If it is his first cycle, he should drop everything, but the test.

If he has a few under his belt, then I agree with LV about keeping the doses where they or and maybe even lowering the the dbol a bit.

 

[crfpilot14]

i must have looked at it wrong haha, i just gave basically the same advice you did.. it's all good bro sorry to stomp on you.

no offense taken! even apexx agrees with you! if he had said it was his first cycle then obviously i woulda advised him to drop the deca and lower the dbol doseage. nothing wrong with a small dbol frontload to a 500mg/wk test cycle as a first cycle.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

This is the usual Mass Cycle stack i've heard most do when combinning Sus, Deca, Dbol.

Week |Sustanon mg/wee| Dbol mg/day - Twice a day |Deca mg/week
1 |250 |40 |200
2 |250 |40 |300
3 |250 |40 |300
4 |250 |40 |400
5 |250 |30 |400
6 |250 |20 |400
7 |250 |- |300
8 |250 |- |200

*NOTE: Monitor yourself with a Dr. Consider your weight and age when doing a cycle like this. You should do a Clomid cycle after as well.

Copy and paste gone bad?

KNOW answers before you give advice, um K?

If I could afford PLAT you'd be bombed!!!

 

[idcbp]

Hard to go wrong with the solid advice. My only thought was why bother with the deca? Its not as friendly for alot of guys and dbol/test is more than enough. You also know what you're gonna get sides wise. Sucks to be trying to figure out whther you have a estrogen or progest. problem mid-cycle as a newbie. Two compounds is more than enough and almost one too many on a first cycle. Why not learn how you react to an individual compoound so you know for later when you really need to stack.

 

[Apexx]

Copy and paste gone bad?

 

[hrlydvdson1]

not first cycle bros, just first cycle using deca.....i have been a big sus/dbol fan for a couple years....6-1, 240, 14% bf (just taken) arms 18.5 cold, neck 18, calves 19....i want to gain about 20 more lbs and run in to a cutting program, thanks for all of your educated answers it is useful to me!

 

[crfpilot14]

nice stats. you can run the deca at 200 like you stated with the 500mg test and 30mg dbol up front. (0.5cc deca (200mg/ml) + 1cc sust250 per inj) you should still gain well with this. make sure to use an AI. have nolva/dostinex on hand and run a good PCT...what are your PCT plans?

 

[hrlydvdson1]

not sure about PCT....honestly, i have ran several sus, dbol cycles and never had to use, is it a must you think bro? i mean my system seems tolerant and able to return to normal. if your advice is to follow pct then i will do that for sure. hit me back

 

[bullmuscle]

Copy and paste gone bad?

KNOW answers before you give advice, um K?

If I could afford PLAT you'd be bombed!!!

Yes I cut and pasted it from my own notes. So what? You guys are so quick to dog people here. I did this cycle and it worked for me as well as many people I know. So I KNOW what I'm talking about. I do agree with other dose variations to the stack depending in height and weight including Post Cycle Therapy.

Relax!

Joe

 

[LVTitan]

not sure about PCT....honestly, i have ran several sus, dbol cycles and never had to use, is it a must you think bro? i mean my system seems tolerant and able to return to normal. if your advice is to follow pct then i will do that for sure. hit me back

YES if you are running a DECA cycle, you should definitely do a pct. Nandrolones will shut you down like the FDA walking into mickey d's and finding roaches on the counter. or something like that.
get ur self some cabaser for during the cycle just in case.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

FWIW, Running a mixed Test (Sust) includes short-acting esters, therefore your suggested dose of ONE shot per week renders some of the drug useless. But you KNOW what your talking about.

If the guy wants to run 250mg or 1 shot a week that is GREAT, but dont tell the dude to do it with short-acting drugs, um K, now?

Yes I cut and pasted it from my own notes. So what? You guys are so quick to dog people here. I did this cycle and it worked for me as well as many people I know. So I KNOW what I'm talking about. I do agree with other dose variations to the stack depending in height and weight including Post Cycle Therapy.

Relax!

Joe

 

[LVTitan]

FWIW, Running a mixed Test (Sust) includes short-acting esters, therefore your suggested dose of ONE shot per week renders some of the drug useless. But you KNOW what your talking about.

If the guy wants to run 250mg or 1 shot a week that is GREAT, but dont tell the dude to do it with short-acting drugs, um K, now?

,, sust is not a short ester test, it's a mixture, and it was designed specifically so you wouldn't need extra shots to keep levels straight. all you seem to think of when u see sust is the prop, which is not much of the compound anyway, just enough to keep levels started soon, and wait for others to kick in. i have to agree that sust is a 1x or 2x week shot max... my .02

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I've known Sust to be run 1x a week with decent results and levels are much more stable with 2x some folks even prefer running it MWF...
I know what ur saying, but the short ester is there.

,, sust is not a short ester test, it's a mixture, and it was designed specifically so you wouldn't need extra shots to keep levels straight. all you seem to think of when u see sust is the prop, which is not much of the compound anyway, just enough to keep levels started soon, and wait for others to kick in. i have to agree that sust is a 1x or 2x week shot max... my .02

 

[crfpilot14]

i just love how some people think that b/c they shove stuff in their asses they are automatically board certified in endocrinology/pharmacology and can give advice. and with a flame at that. people need to relax and realize what this board is all about. about people that have some experience helping others in their BB efforts. this board isnt about "i am better than you b/c i have been here a while and think i know everything about AS so i am going to flame you when i think you dont know what you are talking about!" just sit back and enjoy the ride people. JMO...


but to answer your question, yes you will need to do PCT with that cycle. and yes have some dostinex on hand. for PCT i would follow the jenetic formula. go over to the PCT forum and read it. very informative.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

fair enough. Good bro

i just love how some people think that b/c they shove stuff in their asses they are automatically board certified in endocrinology/pharmacology and can give advice. and with a flame at that. people need to relax and realize what this board is all about. about people that have some experience helping others in their BB efforts. this board isnt about "i am better than you b/c i have been here a while and think i know everything about AS so i am going to flame you when i think you dont know what you are talking about!" just sit back and enjoy the ride people. JMO...


but to answer your question, yes you will need to do PCT with that cycle. and yes have some dostinex on hand. for PCT i would follow the jenetic formula. go over to the PCT forum and read it. very informative.