Your DIET has almost nothing to do with the way you look?????

[I2ancid]

George said this, I had a very hard time believeing it and personally I think thats the stupidest thing I'v ever heard someone say and hes supposed to be a professional isent he? anyways here's what he said

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Get ready for a shock...

Your diet has almost nothing to do with the way you look.

Yes, it's true. Trying to alter your appearance through diet is the most misinterpreted and misguided procedure toward obtaining a better body. Obviously Montana's not advocating that a meal plan of donuts and potato chips is just as good as any other. But you don't really need another book to tell you to eat wholesome foods, do you?

The simplest dismissal of the overestimation of food would be to look at men in prison who lift weights. Some of them are ripped! Yet, they eat slop. How can that be?

Read this next line carefully:

"A bulldog doesn't get to look like a greyhound by eating like one."

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[hesselite]

if your life consisted of eating a balanced diet (like prisoners), getting LOTS of sleep (like prisoners) and having LOTS of time to work out and grow (like prisoners) then i'm sure you'd be huge too.

diet is everything. it can make you fat and it can make you look like a skeleton.

my $.02

--Hess

 

[I2ancid]

the weird part was when he said 'a bulldog wont look like a greyhound if he eats like one' they are 2 different breeds thats like saying a whiteman wont look like a blackman if he eats like one.. well no shit... Diet is everything, you can train all day but if you dont eat right whats gonna put the muscle on? it wont magically appear on your arms from thin air

 

[MS]

George is pretty much on the mark. Provided you don't OVER eat or UNDER eat, then the actual composition of your food is not that important as long as you get enough protein. Everything else comes down to genetics, training and recovery.

"you don't really need another book to tell you to eat wholesome foods, do you?"

That's the take home message. Don't obsess about your diet. Eat foods that you know are good for you and get enough protein. Cut the processed crap and train like a mofo and get plenty of rest. Simple. If that doesn't work then you're genetics are prolly not cut out for bodybuilding and you should consider plastic surgery, AAS or another hobby. Of course, drugs will not change you proportions, muscle insertions, length of long bones, width of pelvis, and any of the other important things that make a good bodybuilder good. If you've got deficiencies in these, you may have to invest in implants etc....

 

[thriller]

i think what he ment with the dog example is that ppl have different simato types (i know i typed that wrong)
but he is still wrong

 

[Japanese machine]

85% of the way you look is diet. The rest is genetics, and the willingness to look sharp. JMO.

 

[Lumberg]

BULL SHIT.

Average person: genetics are about 80% of how you look.

Dedicated natural gym rat: genetics are about 50%.

How you look is not only determined by what, but WHEN you eat. (Calories held constant).

Imagine the person who eats once a day. The guy is so busy he skips breakfast and lunch and gorges himself at dinner every night and also consumes a six-pack of beer while watching TV. He eats a bag of chips and some powdered donuts between 10 and 11 at night, and crashes shortly thereafter.

Then take his identical twin who eats 100% clean (like most of us on our best days), splits up the exact same # of calories into 5 separate meals, and doesn't drink.

You could probably tell the difference before they even took their clothes off.

I have noticed a difference in my body composition while not dramatically changing my overall calories or diet when I a) started making sure I had eaten within the last hour whenever I worked out, and started consuming whey with dextrose immediately after working out. b)when I started taking flax seed oil.

To give a better analogy, a bulldog who eats and trains like a greyhound will look like a sleeker, trimmer bulldog.

Genetics are huge. But through simple manipulation of diet and training you can do a lot with what you got. I am not "cut out" for bodybuilding. I will probably never be over 170# and well defined. But I can still look good!

JC

 

[PwB]

I'm pretty sure this is in reference to an article written quite a while back by Nelson Montana (former t-mag writer), who has ZERO credibility and has no right writing ANYTHING in regards to bodybuilding. After he left T-mag he started badmouthing them and their supplements, etc. Now he writes articles for (I believe) Musclemag, another magazine w/ little credibility, and his articles suck. A year or 2 ago he wrote a pathetic article about contest dieting and how everone uses a atkins type diet for precontest (which most dont), then recently this year he wrote how ketogenic diets suck and don't work (which is 1st of all BS, 2nd of all contradicting what he wrote about in the recent past, and 3rd it was more or less an attack on Lyle McDonald). He recommended when dieting if you want pizza eat it, just add some amino acid tablets to the meal.

Diet is the most important factor in how you end up looking. U can see it all the time in gyms, 1000's of people work out VERY hard, but still have very lousy bodies. It really comes down to diet to who looks good and who doesnt (genetics and drugs aside). That statement about dieting having nothing to do w/ how you look is soo wrong I can't even begin to imagine what someone was thinking. Take a clone of someone (same genetics, etc), have them train the same way, and have one living on healthy foods (lean meats, greens, efa's, adaquete protein, cycling carbs, etc), and have another eating candy, pizza, drinking soda, fried foods/fast foods) and lets compare what their body looks like, i'd bet ANYTHING the difference will be day and night.

I On that note, diet does not have as much impact of the end result of dieting that people may wish it to have. Let me explain, similar to what MS said, there is truth to the fact that diet composition isn't as important as many think. I'm a prime example of someone who obsesses about my cals, %'s, grams of protein, etc, but it really comes down to calories as long as A)protein needs are met B)EFA requirements are met C)generally meals are somewhat frequent (from 3-6 meals).

people have gotten both bigger and leaner (ripper for competition) on every type of diet, high carb, low carb, high fat, low fat, isocaloric, CKD, etc etc. And what you end up looking like has a great deal to do with genetics (as long as you follow a sensible weight lifting program), b/c again, as MS wrote body shape is based on genetics (bone structure, hip width, muscle insertion, even muscle shape is genetic) BUT, reaching your potential of more muscle and low bodyfat is closely related to diet.

So the comment is absolutely absurd in how it is written, but in the sense that diet composition isn't the most important factor as long as calories are below maintenece for cutting, for example, there is some truth to that.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

George said this, I had a very hard time believeing it and personally I think thats the stupidest thing I'v ever heard someone say and hes supposed to be a professional isent he? anyways here's what he said

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Get ready for a shock...

The simplest dismissal of the overestimation of food would be to look at men in prison who lift weights. Some of them are ripped! Yet, they eat slop. How can that be?

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that's because higher levals of testosterone have been linked with men in prison, thus more agresion.

 

[110%]

George is pretty much on the mark. Provided you don't OVER eat or UNDER eat, then the actual composition of your food is not that important as long as you get enough protein. Everything else comes down to genetics, training and recovery.

"you don't really need another book to tell you to eat wholesome foods, do you?"

That's the take home message. Don't obsess about your diet. Eat foods that you know are good for you and get enough protein. Cut the processed crap and train like a mofo and get plenty of rest. Simple. If that doesn't work then you're genetics are prolly not cut out for bodybuilding and you should consider plastic surgery, AAS or another hobby. Of course, drugs will not change you proportions, muscle insertions, length of long bones, width of pelvis, and any of the other important things that make a good bodybuilder good. If you've got deficiencies in these, you may have to invest in implants etc....

MS ive always considered you the most intelligent of members that post in the diet section and hearing this from you made me wonder if i do not need to be eating constantly clean, same foods every 3 hours every day to satisfty certain p,c,f ratios. so in your opinion, if you just make sure you eat enough protein like if u see pizza its fine to eat dont worry about the fat b/c of the protein, and with intense training and proper rest just avoiding like simple sugars you will have pretty much the same results as if you followed a planned diet with certain p,c,f macronutreint breakdowns. im only 17, and ofcoures natural, and i eat around the same things every day, granted im not super strict like some i dont worry about eating bad things, but you think u really dont need to organize a diet and just eat whats around you and just worry about getting calories, good training, and rest?