Yet another 1-ad 4-ad stack question

[mrzap]

I've spent a few days searching through posts here and I think I have everything squared away, but before I finally consider a 1-ad 4-ad stack I was hoping someone could help me out.

So from what I've read I am thinking of doing a 6 wk cycle

Week 1
Ergopharm 1ad @300mg/day & not sure on exact amount or type of 4-ad to go with? Some posts said it should be half your 1-ad and others say double the 1-ad dosage. What works best? I would prefer using the orals for convenience.

Then Week 2-6 ill bump the dosage up to 400mg of 1ad with whatever complement of 4ad.

Couple final points im confused on...
Is 6OXO, Clomid, or Nolvadex for after you have done the cycle or do you take it during?
If I do 6OXO should I also throw in some Nolvadex or Clomid? (and which is better)

And finally with PH's are there sterility risks or long term problems with downregulation?

Thanks
(first time post, long time reader hehe)

 

[mrzap]

I was running the cost on that scenario and it is way expensive. AS is probably cheaper Think I could get good results from just a 4 week cycle?

 

[mrzap]

*bump* anyone?

 

[Dante B.]

Here's your anyone:

Your stack is fine and the dosing of 1AD depends on your experience as well your bodyweight. If you're an Androgen neophyte, and don't weight 250 pounds or so, then 300 mgs is definitely a good starting point so as to assess your personal response.

4-Diol is better tasked via transdermal or intranasal (due to higher availability , however if administered via the oral path, then 400-500 mgs (or so) three times per day is a start.

Clomid et al should be taken post-cycle so as to facilitate HPTA recovery. If you take 6OXO, then neither Clomid nor Nolvadex is necessary (and likewise the use of any these substances makes to obviate the need of others. Not that you can't take a combination, you can, but it's not needed).

There can be a temporary lowering of sperm-count when using Anabolics/Androgenics, but that effect won't throw itself into the field of perpetuity. You'll recover.

 

[mrzap]

Thanks Dante you seem to be the PH guru around here. I appreciate the reply

 

[Lumberg]

One+ is the way to go if you want 1-test and 4-AD in your body (1-ad converts to 1-test in your liver when taken orally).

JC

 

[mrzap]

Why not just the 1-ad?

 

[downsent]

just a related question...

Im starting a 4 week cycle of 1-ad, I weigh about a buck fifty and was wondering what my dosage should be, what i should take after the cycle and is there anything I should take with the 1-ad. As i understand prohormones might increase estrogen levels and thats bad. Thanx for the help.

 

[2KVetteMan]

Downsent, my buddy that I recommened taking 1-ad because he weighs in at 138lbs and wants to get up to 150lbs.

He has been on it for 7days. He has started with the 3 a day. He told me after I told him all the side effects.

He does feel more gittery, sleepy during the day, more on the short fuse, I contribute that to be gittery.

He did pop a blood vessel by his eye, which I heard it is normal, but has never happened to him before. He went down to 2 pills a day, he has been on that for the last two days and have not spoken to him, so I cannot tell you if he has felt a difference yet.

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers!!

 

[downsent]

Yea I have been on the 1-ad a little more then a week...so far I have slept an average of 12 to 14 hours a day. I literaly just keep sleeping and if I do wake up i have an over whelming urge to go back to sleep. However I think this might be passing finaly and I can get down to buisness. I am debating streaching my cycle to 6 weeks. I have already added Saw Palmetto( spelled right?) to accompanie the 1-ad. Ill post again with my progress if anyone is intrested.