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What branch of military and position would you chose if you were drafted by the USA? What about if you were German?

Myself, Marine Corp, tank driver. i'd like to be the guy loading shells...

if i was German, submarine Lientuannt (terrible sp). Hunting convoys in the atlantic would have been quite an experience...
 
only 10k of 40K U-Boat kreigmariners survived
horrendous loss ratio
 
88mm tiger was a BADASS weapon except for mechanical failures..

88mm was origially an AA gun .. killed a lot of allied tankers with that.

ME262.. most of the pilots actually died from crashing them.. horrible throttling issues.. hell of a gun platform..

U-boats.. ugh everythign Ive read... miserable dirty existence and a HORRRIBLE way to die considering they had a 75% !! mortality rate. Always in frigid waters.. crushed to death.. drowning..


American... P51 pilot.

German... ME109E pilot.

Italian.. Deserter (LOL)
 
Shermans had a very high rate of failure. As in getting blown up..

US...
I would have to go with JNuts and say a Mustang pilot.
or if not that, a PT boat gunner in the Pacific..


German

Tiger tank crewman (Gunner)..
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
88mm tiger was a BADASS weapon except for mechanical failures..

88mm was origially an AA gun .. killed a lot of allied tankers with that.

ME262.. most of the pilots actually died from crashing them.. horrible throttling issues.. hell of a gun platform..

U-boats.. ugh everythign Ive read... miserable dirty existence and a HORRRIBLE way to die considering they had a 75% !! mortality rate. Always in frigid waters.. crushed to death.. drowning..


American... P51 pilot.

German... ME109E pilot.

Italian.. Deserter (LOL)
tiger was mechanically sound
it's the panther that initially was plaqued with mech problems
the panthers 75MM gun was more effective than the tiger's 88mm
in '45 the germans fielded infared panthers
not many,only a coy or two for a few divisions
was ahead of their times
 
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Those Tiger Tankers got eaten alive by Russian and American ground support aircraft.

There was one Russian pilot .. had over 500 tank kills..

Russians had some BADASS pilots by the end of WWII..
 
Y_Lifter said:
Shermans had a very high rate of failure. As in getting blown up..

US...
I would have to go with JNuts and say a Mustang pilot.
or if not that, a PT boat gunner in the Pacific..


German

Tiger tank crewman (Gunner)..


the p51 orginally sucked at first intil it was fitted with the rolls royce engine then it was badasss.. image 6 50 cal machine guns
 
Various units received IR Panthers including 116th Panzer Division (3rd company of 24th Panzer Regiment, Western Front, Summer of 1944), Sixth SS Panzer Army (Hungary, early 1945), Panzer Division Muncheberg and Clausewitz. One combat report is by a veteran of 1st SS Panzer Regiment of 1st SS Panzer Division "LSSAH", who states that few Panthers equipped with infrared night-vision devices possibly from 116th Panzer Division were used in 1944/45 during the Ardennes Offensive. In April of 1945, Panthers equipped with IR equipment (solution B) joined Panzer Division Clausewitz and in mid April near Uelzen destroyed entire platoon of British Comet cruiser tanks. Also on April 21st of 1945, same Panthers overran an American anti-tank position on the Weser-Elbe Canal. Most of those reports can't be confirmed and are questionable.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
There was one Russian pilot .. had over 500 tank kills..
you got the wrong guy
it was a german pilot,primarily flew the stuka
Rudel

During his career, Rudel flew over 2530 (around 400 of his sorties were flown in a Focke-Wulf 190 fighter plane during whichhe was credit with 11 air victories) missions and destroyed around 150 various artillery pieces, 519 tanks, around 1000 various vehicles, 70 landing crafts, 2 Lavochkin La-3 fighters, Il-2 Stormovik and sunk Battleship "Marat", 2 Cruisers and a Destroyer. Rudel was responsible for such huge damages to the Red Army that Joseph Stalin himself put a price of 100.000 rubles on his head
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
Those Tiger Tankers got eaten alive by Russian and American ground support aircraft.

There was one Russian pilot .. had over 500 tank kills..

Russians had some BADASS pilots by the end of WWII..



ive read about that shit

there were also several german ace would had well over 100 air to air kills

adolf galent (sp) had a shitload

i think some bro of the luftwaffe had around 375! highest US was maybe 40?
 
tiger88 said:
ive read about that shit

there were also several german ace would had well over 100 air to air kills

adolf galent (sp) had a shitload

i think some bro of the luftwaffe had around 375! highest US was maybe 40?
352
hartmann
what's particularily interesting his is ammo expenditure per kill
 
allies: 1st special service (the devils brigade)
germans: fallschirmjager
 
4everhung said:
352
hartmann
what's particularily interesting his is ammo expenditure per kill



assume he had a ME109 (didnt use much of the 20 mm ammo?)


even though it was a total fuck up, the ME 163 komet looked cool and had a cool idea but wasnt battlefield worthy and more pilots were killed then enemy planes
 
hugo primozic, a german assault gunner, is accredited with being the most courageous and effective soldiers in history...he won a armour battle singlehandely
 
Erich Alfred Hartmann (1922-1993) is the top-scoring fighter pilot in the annals of aerial combat. He flew for Germany during the Second World War and scored the vast majority of his astounding 352 aerial victories against the Soviets on the Eastern Front. Nicknamed "Bubi" (German for 'boy') because of his youthful countenance, Hartmann was a member of Jagdgeschwader (Fighter Wing) 52 from Novemeber 1942 until the end of the war in May of 1945. On one spectacular mission, Erich shot down four American P-51 Mustangs over the oil fields at Ploesti, Rumania. After the war, Hartmann, who won the Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Crossed Swords, and Diamonds, was unceremoniously handed over to the USSR by his American captors. From May 1945 until October of 1955, Erich Hartmann was confined in Soviet prisons and branded a "war criminal" by the vengeful Stalin and his henchmen. While in the gulags, Erich's father and his infant son, whom he had never held, died in Germany. Released in 1955 after the death of Stalin, Hartmann returned to active duty in the new Luftwaffe and was key in training the next generation of German flyers in the ways of aerial combat. Erich retired from active service in 1970 and enjoyed a peaceful life until his passing in September of 1993.
 
Gambino said:
hugo primozic, a german assault gunner, is accredited with being the most courageous and effective soldiers in history...he won a armour battle singlehandely
post up a link a nigga

used that panzerfaust i bet quite good
 
the most celebrated armor action of WWII
wittmann's lone tiger destroyed the entire spearhead of the british 7th armor division

"Wittmann in Villers Bocage"
On 13th June 1944, a week after D-day, following a drive from Beauvais under repeated air attack, 2nd Kompanie of sSSPzAbt 101 led by Michael Wittmann had 6 Tigers located in the area of Hill (Point) 213 ahove Villers Bocage. His orders were to stop the advance of the 22nd Armored Brigade of the British 7th Armored Division (the famous 'Desert Rats') from advancing through the township, outflanking the German line and gaining the road to Caen. Wittmann's company hidden behind a hedgerow spotted the enemy column, which passed him at a distance of 200 meters. At about 8:00am, Wittmann attacked the British column on the main road, while the rest of his company (4 Tigers as one brokedown) attacked the British forces around Hill 213. Soon after, Wittmann destroyed Sherman Firefly and Cromwell IV and headed south to attack the rest of the enemy transport column. After knocking out 8 half-tracks, 4 Bren Carriers and 2 6 pdr anti-tank guns, Wittmann reached the crossroad with the road to Tilly-sur-Seulles. At the crossroad, he destroyed 3 Stuart tanks from recon unit and reached the outskirts of the town of Villers-Bocage. While in town, Wittmann destroyed 4 Cromwell IV tanks and single half-track and turns into Rue Pasteur. Following up the street, he knocked out Cromwell IV and Sherman OP tank, reaching the main street of Villers-Bocage. At the end of Rue Pasteur, Wittmann's Tiger was hit by Sherman Firefly from B Squadron and he decided to turn back as being too far forward without any infantry support and in a build-up area. He turned in the direction of Caen to join the rest of his company. On his way back, Wittmann's Tiger was attacked by another Cromwell IV, which he destroyed as well. Back at the Tilly crossroad, British soldiers from 1st Rifle Brigade opened fire at Wittmann with their 6 pdr anti-tank gun, immobilizing his Tiger. Wittmann and his crew managed to escape on foot towards the Panzer Lehr positions 7km away near Orbois. The rest of his company at the Hill 213, destroyed the rest of the A Squadron of 4th County of London Yeomanry Regiment ("Sharpshooters") including 5 Cromwell IV and Sherman Firefly, while capturing 30 men. During this short engagement, Wittmann's company destroyed 4 Sherman Firefly, 20 Cromwell, 3 Stuart, 3 M4 Sherman OP, 14 half-tracks, 16 Bren Carriers and 2 6 pdr anti-tank guns. Wittmann's attack was followed by another one by Tigers of Hauptsturmfuehrer Rolf Moebius' 1st Kompanie of sSSPzAbt 101 and Panzerkampfwagen IV tanks from Panzer Lehr but was repulsed by anti-tank guns from 22nd Armored Brigade. Following day, British withdrew from the town leaving it to the Germans, who occupied it for next two months. The British drive on Villers Bocage and Caen was stopped cold by Wittmann's attack and following actions.
 
Gambino said:
What branch of military and position would you chose if you were drafted by the USA? What about if you were German?

Myself, Marine Corp, tank driver. i'd like to be the guy loading shells...

if i was German, submarine Lientuannt (terrible sp). Hunting convoys in the atlantic would have been quite an experience...

USA: with the 530th composite unit AKA the Merrill's Marauders somewhere in Burma

Germany: with the famous Adolf Galland's Jv44 unit flying a Me-262. This unit had only Knight Cross winners. No fools.
 
4everhung said:
http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/primozic.html

bear in mind an assault gun didn't have a turret
considerable disadvantage in an armor battle
assault guns were much cheaper to produce as a turretless tank required less time and resourses to produce

damn dude, i had to piss. you beat me to it.

in a brief description of his deeds, with a lil' help from a book I'm reading:
he was accredited by the german high command with a single
handed victory at Rshev. During the early part of the battle
he knocked out 7 tanks. later, in one hour, he knocked out 17 more, 24 for the day, 39 in all...
 
fucking balls
one tank going on a rampage alone amidst an entire enemy armor brigade
 
US: P-38 lightning pilot, came late in the war but those planes were the shit.

Ger: Tank commander in Rommel's Africa Corp. Rommel was a genious.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
4everhung said:
fucking balls
one tank going on a rampage alone amidst an entire enemy armor brigade

I cannot get a good mental picture of what a battlefield such as at Rshev would look like. Pictures don't do it justice. Fuck you would think it be real confusing as to where the fuck you where.
Prussian history is of deep interest to me. Militiary minded mofos. Hindenburg and Kaiser Wilhelm I find fascinating :rainbow:
 
4everhung said:
fucking balls
one tank going on a rampage alone amidst an entire enemy armor brigade


wittman didnt fuck around

he eventually got killed in a tank battle i think as he came back to a village and was ambushed
 
American:
-Army 101st Airborne with the boys of Easy company. Liberate Holland :p
-Marines. All of the battles they fought we're D-Days.
 
manny78 said:
USA: with the 530th composite unit AKA the Merrill's Marauders somewhere in Burma

Germany: with the famous Adolf Galland's Jv44 unit flying a Me-262. This unit had only Knight Cross winners. No fools.
I have a very nice printing framed high dollar
of ME262"s of jagdverband 44
my brother in law owns a nice frame shop
apparently a jewish woman brought in a print of ME262's
she wanted it framed nicely to give to her husband
he was an "airplane buff"
she failed to notice the swastika's emblazoned on the aircraft's tail
of course the husband returned the print
 
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tiger88 said:
assume he had a ME109 (didnt use much of the 20 mm ammo?)
what was keen was how he got his target where he wanted him
then a short burst to kill
compare this to the typical fighter pilot who when the target was in sights
unloaded

I posted a story in which he downed 4 P-51s in a single action
ammunition management
 
Gambino said:
I cannot get a good mental picture of what a battlefield such as at Rshev would look like. Pictures don't do it justice. Fuck you would think it be real confusing as to where the fuck you where.
Prussian history is of deep interest to me. Militiary minded mofos. Hindenburg and Kaiser Wilhelm I find fascinating :rainbow:
that was about Villars Bocage
eastern/Russian front would yield true tales of which you would be amazed
from both sides
but the Germans of WWII are and still are the most professionally skilled army of modern times
Guderian's 2nd panzergruppe,s drive into russia with 40s era equipment.in considerably more rugged terrain(as opposed to flat desert sand)
against REAL opposition
w/o smart bombs
covered as much ground as the US drive against baghdad
 
what do think would have happend if the germans/italians took Malta in the early stage of war? say after crete in 1941 spring summer? Malta really messed up transports and shit in the MED sea? u think the germans would hve finally won N africa?
 
tiger88 said:
wittman didnt fuck around

he eventually got killed in a tank battle i think as he came back to a village and was ambushed
that's myth
his tiger suffered a rocket attack from aircraft and detonated
contrary to what I've posted before
German armor didn't suffer significant losses to enemy air
you beat the german panzerwaffe by constricting thier ammo load out,and fuel

late in the war the german tanks recieved few rounds to even fire(maybe a dozen)
little fuel,as in not enough to manuever much at all

despite this I've read stories after the war of traveling the countryside of poland and east prussia

they would mark dozens of KIA soviet tanks
and then every 2 miles or so see a knocked out german panther
 
4everhung said:
SOVIETS HAD SOME MONSTERS

But they came too late. Took a while for the T-34/85 to see some action and it was still a medium tank (like the Sherman). The JS-1 and 2 came in the last months of the war. Of course, The T-34 was probably one of the best thing around for its size but compared to the Tiger I and II, JagdTiger and KonigsTiger hummm :)
 
awesome stuff 4everhung... thanks for the correction BTW.

Its amazing to read about what the germans managed in that war as far as kill ratios.. incredible soldiers. I guess it was too abd for them their leadership lead them astray so often.

Scary to think what would have heppened if Hitler didnt screw up so many times.. with guys like the ones you've mentioned they would have dominated.
 
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