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WTF!!! nips itchin' 4 weeks after cycle

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decem

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what the mother fuck??? this is complete bullshit.. i'm gonna cut my nipples off with fucking toenail clippers..

my last shot of sust was over 7 weeks ago, deca over 6 weeks ago, test enanthate over 6 weeks ago and last dose of winny over 4 weeks ago.. and my fucking bullshit nipples are itching NOW....

what the fuck.. good thing i came back across the border with 100 nolvs not to awful long ago.. but still.. how long is this shit gonna last???

help me..
 
thats not good bro. did u take any clomids post cycle? shit u should have had everything on hand before u started. but anyway, how many mg per pill. are they the 10mg ones or 20mg ones. i would load up on 40mg a day for a few days and then back to 20 for a lil while. hope it calms it down. hope it doest progress into full blown gyno. good luck bro
 
shit dude...sorry to hear about that. I've heard of a few people getting gyno on the rebound. The unfortunate thing here, is you don't even know what kind of gyno it is. Hopefully the nolva will take of of it. You should really have arimidex though.
 
arimidex is better at preventing gyno. not from making it better once its there. nolva blocks the estrogen receptors so any estrogen in the system at this point which is causing gyno will stop. arimidex at this point will only block further aromatization of estrogen
 
actually, now that I think about it, I bet it's est gyno, considering the timing (a few days after you stopped clomid therapy).
 
The rebound effect was the ONLY problem i had with my last cycle, i took nolvadex and a creamy lotion called bactroban for itching and poof it was gone, after this cycle im ready for the rebound.
 
thanks guys..

that's what i figured.. estro rebound after the clomid.. i guess i was just wondering how long this crapola would last..

btw.. on a side note.. i think the nolva was actually the cause of my high b.p. all along.. cause as soon as i started taking it again my b.p. jumped.. not bad though.. anyone else have this problem?
 
decem,

same thing happened to me post cycle(deca/winny)...i would bet that your gyno is PR related...---fyi---do you have any additionnal winny?i know many deca users who get gyno symptoms post cycle (including myself)...---fyi---
 
Can anyone confirm for me that, two types of receptor have to be stimulated in order for gyno to occur 'cos I'm sure I read it somewhere???
 
my mother fucking nips are still itching... and i'm now taking 40-60mg nolvadex daily.. took 1mg of arimi today.. and 50mg of winny the past two days..

WHHHAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTHHHHEEE FFFUUCCKKKKKK!!!!!
 
decem said:
my mother fucking nips are still itching... and i'm now taking 40-60mg nolvadex daily.. took 1mg of arimi today.. and 50mg of winny the past two days..

WHHHAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTHHHHEEE FFFUUCCKKKKKK!!!!!
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decem,

u r covering all angles,which is great;are your nips just itchy or inflamed and sensitive as well...if only itchy,expect the symptoms to subside very soon...---fyi
 
thanx thinker...

they are itchy.. but the itch subsides after 20-40mg of nolv.. but only for about 4 hours..

they are not sensitive.. but they are puffy.. well not now that i've been taking all this shit.. but they were..

another question.. how long should i take the winny.. if i take it for over 1-2 weeks.. how long should i run the clomid.. should i run the clomid..
 
decem said:
thanx thinker...

they are itchy.. but the itch subsides after 20-40mg of nolv.. but only for about 4 hours..

they are not sensitive.. but they are puffy.. well not now that i've been taking all this shit.. but they were..

another question.. how long should i take the winny.. if i take it for over 1-2 weeks.. how long should i run the clomid.. should i run the clomid..
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run the winny until you don't feel anything anymore;if your nips are not sensitive to the touch,then perhaps your guno symptoms have subsided.how's the bf%?a lil' higher than usual?when gyno starts to form,your nips start to hurt...to the point where even "flicking" them hurts like a bitch(pun intended)...as for clomid,i'm against it anyways...i'd only use it if you shut down hard...---fyi
 
1. if it's progesterone gyno from deca, arimidex and nolva ain't gonna do shit, do winny which MAY help or get some ru486 which WILL work. Juice Lee now carries it, and whether or not you like his shit, if you can't get that stuff anywhere else and care about your titties... y'get my drift :) (no, TJ does NOT have it, I asked several pharms)

2. when did you stop running the arimidex on-cycle? i know it's too late for it, but i'm curious... you should be running it thruout clomid and even a bit later to avoid estro rebound if it IS indeed estro gyno... just curious when you stopped it so that i can adjust my own cycle.

thx.
 
Daman,
I'm sure Decem already knows about pro and est gyno, since he's taking measures against both at this point. I would however like to see peoples reactions to RU-486. Havn't heard any as of yet though.
 
DaMan said:


2. when did you stop running the arimidex on-cycle? i know it's too late for it, but i'm curious... you should be running it thruout clomid and even a bit later to avoid estro rebound if it IS indeed estro gyno... just curious when you stopped it so that i can adjust my own cycle.

thx.
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i ran the arimi from week 3-10.. i didn't get it until week 3.. and i stopped the test at week 9 and continued winny through week 12.. then did 3 weeks of clomid therapy afterwards..

and no my nips aren't sore to touch or when i flick them.. just itch like a mother fucker.. the bf% is dropping.. was 16% about 3 weeks ago.. now probably between 12-14.. (i lose it quick if i put my mind to it.. lose a little muscle too.. but keep the strength so i aint trippin..)

fuck it.. i'm gonna run winny for 2 weeks and use the arimi at .5mg ed.. at least i'll get a little boost in my training.. :D


thanx for the replies guys.
 
decem said:


i ran the arimi from week 3-10.. i didn't get it until week 3.. and i stopped the test at week 9 and continued winny through week 12.. then did 3 weeks of clomid therapy afterwards..

and no my nips aren't sore to touch or when i flick them.. just itch like a mother fucker.. the bf% is dropping.. was 16% about 3 weeks ago.. now probably between 12-14.. (i lose it quick if i put my mind to it.. lose a little muscle too.. but keep the strength so i aint trippin..)

fuck it.. i'm gonna run winny for 2 weeks and use the arimi at .5mg ed.. at least i'll get a little boost in my training.. :D


thanx for the replies guys.
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if the nips are not sensitive then the winny will take care of the prob...same thing happened to me...GOOD LUCK w/ your extended cycle...
 
well.. here i am.. 4 weeks since i got off winstrol and 7-8 weeks since i took any injectable.. and my mother fucking tits still itch.. after having started itching appr. 2.5 weeks ago..

i take up to 100mg of nolvs per day.. with little to no help.. have taken winstrol to try to counteract it.. no luck.. i don't know what to do..

do you think it could be that, since it started when i came off the clomid, my LH:test ratio is fucked? think it's prog. gyno? do you think it's from my liver being in a weakened state when i started a medication that is known to have ill effects on the liver (my going from a winny/test/deca cycle to taking depakote with no break in between)..

at any rate.. i fear i may be having to get this bullfuckingshit cut the fuck out should it get worse.. i don't know what else to do.. at this point you really can't see it unless my nipple is not hard.. either way.. if it EVER does get worse.. i'm fucked.. although i will wait a year to wait and see if it disappears.. as it did last time i juiced and got it.. about 2 yrs ago..

i think i'm gonna try to get into the doc tomorrow and run some liver function tests.. to see what comes up.
 
hey bro,
not only get your liver checked but also get full blood work done to see how your levels are doing. Maybe you can get a better indicator of what's going on here.

Bump for more help....
 
Hey decem, you might want to try some vitex (chaste berry). It can be found at health food stores. Anyways, this sometimes helps, mostly with prolactin induced gyno. Several people have tried it and it has helped them. You should notice a difference by day 3. And it should be relatively cheap as well.

Btw, when you get to D-cup size, please send me a photo. :o
 
you know i am having the same problems and dont know what to do....im taking upwards of 1mg of arimidex a day and b/t 20-40 mg of proviron, plus winny, and chasteberry....no luck, my nips still hurt and theyr getting real bad....no clue what could be causing it.
 
I told you bro!!

I posted about 3 week ago same problems as decem, i started popping nolva, arm., proviron, and winstrol. It tooka week for the soreness to subside. Chill decem your all over the shit, you got it covered from every angle. :)
 
I think the big problem is that some guys are just so damn sensitive that gyno is always a possibility, regardless of precautions taken. For some reason, it seems most guys on here seem to think that if you have gyno it's because you were ignorant of anti-e's and whatnot. I don't think so. I just think it's the same as doing the same cycle as your buddy, diet, etc., and he gains 25 pounds and you gain 12. Genetics plays a very large role in all of this.

Maybe in the future stick to non-gyno giving gear, or NGGG for short, lol. It will definitely be more expensive taking things like primo, ox, and winny but you may be happier in the long run.

tx
 
I would rather pay for non gyno AS than pay for gyno surgery any day. Im sure everyone else feels the same.
 
thanks a ton for your help and replies guys.. i'm still at a loss.. tried calling this a.m. for doc appt and no openings available.. i'm gonna wean myself off the depakote over the next four days..

i also have 40mg of arimi coming.. but then i don't know how much it's gonna help seeing as i'm popping up to 100mg of nolvs a day now and still have the itch/soreness.. i think i'm going to just stop the nolvs altogether (as it obviously aint frickin helping).. and i may or may not take the arimi when it comes in.

hey OVERRX & GOLFER18 - what type of cycle did you guys come off of and at what point after the cycle did your nips start fucking with you?

tx, you're right bro.. i'm HEEELLLLLAAAA gyno prone.. i've must have mutant boobies.. ;) .. but what do you think about the next one - starting jan 14th - of fina/winny/eq - do you think it'll give me any problems?

and thnx for the recommendation on the chaste berry.. i'll pick some up today..

the one thing that's keeping me from totally freaking out here is.. i know it'll go away in a year's time.. as long as it doesn't get that bad.. and now the only problem is that i'll have to keep a fucking shirt on over the damn summer :(
 
Fina/Anavar/Winstrol. I started getting it around the 4th post week. I am still taking nolva and armidex.
 
thanks guys.. i went to the doc.. told i thought it was from the meds (legal ones) that i started 4.5 weeks ago. she told me to discontinue the meds and then gave me a script to go to the lab and get a liver function test and estrogen/progesterone ratio done.. only problem is that the lab had never heard of the est./prog. ratio test.. and it was on the same script as the other test.. so they wouldn't draw it.. and now i have to wait until wednesday to the lab work done.

i'm also kinda sceered to be doing another cycle.. i'm afraid that my titties are in a compromised state as it is.. and any more will just fuck them up beyond all belief.. so i'm planning on training natural for 4-6 months and see how much the gyno goes away.. and then hittin up the cycle..

oh shit.. hey golfer and overrx.. what type of winny are you using? dim sum's?? cause that's what i was using.. do you think there's any connection??
 
well.. i found one substance that takes the pain and itching away and actual made my tits look perfectly normal.. and i bet you'll never guess what it was..

ectasy..

no shit.. i rolled the other night and for about 16-18 hours afterward i had no itching and no pain and no puffiness whatsoever..

i don't know what the connection is..

the arimidex and nolvadex barely make a dent in the pain and puffiness.. i'm out of nolvs now and have about 36mg of arimi left.. which i don't know if i want to waste on my tits or not.. since it doesn't seem to help all that much..

the pain has started to subside somewhat.. not totally. just about half as much pain, puffiness, and itching as i had about 3 days ago..

oh yeah.. i'm also weaning myself of the depakote as well.. to see if it was having some type of effect on my liver and it's conversion of androgen to estrogen.. i have only today left at 1/3 of the dose and then i'm off for good..

if anyone has ANY input whatsoever.. i'd love to hear it..

thanks
 
MDMA typically ELEVATES PROLACTIN.. which is why it can cause gyno... However, if you already have elevated Prolactin levels is may act to suppress them...


Note- liver is very important in the release of co-factors (growth factors) that tend to increase the amount of hard tissue. Use Silymarin during cycle..

vitex.. this will also suppress prolactin and may increase LH but what dose ???

selegine hcl- is a mao-b inhibitor-- it will increase dopamine concentrations in the brain which decreases prolactin and increases LH

glad that there is recession.. but it may return.. this often happens :(
 
thanks macro.. but i'm still at a loss.. so you think it's prolactin?? or the liver?

i was on the depakote at 750mg ed for 5 weeks.. and am now down to 250mg.. i'm off it tomorrow.. the depakote does have an effect on the liver.. it's even caused some deaths due to hepatic failure.. adding on to it's hepatic complications... i had taken winny for 5 weeks before i started it.. so it could be my liver..

i have been taking milk thistle at 600mg or so ed for the past two weeks..

in the one study that panerai posted.. it states that gyno can be caused by a jacked up lh:test ratio.. but which one would have to be elevated to make it cause the gyno.. lh?

i haven't had a chance to get the vitex yet.. but if it's still going after tomorrow.. i'll buy some and take a ton of it..
 
Decem you take a closer look at the nipple area

in my opinion (and i hope i am right), nipples can be itchie (mine are almost all the time i am on) but shrinking. If that is the case gyno should not break out. At least it didn't for the past 3 years for me.
Only when your nipple area enlarges and it seems something is pushing them out from the inside, then is the time to worry;

But again it is not because it is like that for me, the past 3 years, that this is correct.

You know the saying "something is proven right, until proven wrong".
 
Get on some Yohimburn, right now. And as you sexually Rub it on your nipples think about how much of a Nut you'll feel like, if it actually works and it STOPS your itchy nipples.

Then after 3 weeks of Use, come back here and post a thread titled: YOHIMBURN WORKS!!, Then a week later Edit the title to: "Oh my GOD! YOHIMBURN WORKS FOR ITCHY NIPPLES TOO!".

That is all.

Good day and Good Luck.

Kind Regards,
Crumcake.
 
One thing people tend to forget to is that it is after the cycle that is the most important. That is when your test levels decline rapidly, but the estrogen and shit stay elevated or elevate higher. The only time my titties ever hurt was after the cycle was over.
 
lol crumcake...:rolleyes:

thanks for the info jeff.. but they were actually growing... and puffy..

BUT my tits FINALLY stopped the burning and pain today.. :gift: :gift: :gift: merry christmas to me..

yup.. today.. after weaning myself totally off the depakote.. and my tits have totally stopped itching.. i think i can attribute the blunt of it to some type of complication brought on by the depakote itself..

i am sure it wasn't any left over deca or sust in my system.. as i ended the deca the last time i took the sust.. and then took 4 weeks of winny afterwards.. and had no itching for another 3 weeks.. and the itching/soreness didn't recede with use of nolvadex and arimidex (now that i fucking wasted it all)..

also.. i'm not sure about the prolactin issue.. and i don't know if this is the culprit or not.. but the soreness/itching had been receding considerably the last 4 days.. and i just started taking the chaste berry last night.. and now my tits are done itching..

the other possibility is that i had used TOO much clomid.. and my LH levels were too high.. and my body just finally regulated on its own.. that is a possibility... right?

well.. now i have to decide whether or not i should hit up another cycle in a few weeks.. or wait to make sure i don't throw myself all out of whack again.. what do you guys think..???
 
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