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WTF is wrong with my clen???

DaMan

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First week ever trying it (Bulgarian Clen (Pharmachim)- excellent source, so I'm confident it's not fake).

I'm now up to 3 tabs in the AM+ 3 tabs around late noon, and don't feel shit. Admittedly I was A BIT shaky the first time I had 3 tabs in the morning, and do sweat A LITTLE more than usual (and for some reason my face gets red cardioing), but it's nothing even worth mentioning...

I'm gonna try 4 + 3 tomorrow, and 4 + 4 on Monday, but what's wrong with me? Am I still burning fat even though I don't feel nuttin'?

(BTW, I'm on a CKD too).
 
not sure but I think that the bulgain clen was made in 10mcg and 20mcg check to see which it is. if it was ten then it would make since. if 20 I might think you have some b2 downgrade
 
macrophage69alpha said:
lack of carbs may diminish the CNS stimulatory effects... increase carbs see if you feel different-- btw why are you ketogenic with clen?

why not? i'm doing keto to lose fat and taking clen to lose fat... i didn't think there's anything wrong with the two simultaneously (UNLIKE DNP), but if there is, now's the time to tell me :)
 
I don't feel much on clen either. I use the same stuff as well. I don't feel much if anything on eca either. Not unless I pop a bunch before lifting.
 
rich197 said:
not sure but I think that the bulgain clen was made in 10mcg and 20mcg check to see which it is. if it was ten then it would make since. if 20 I might think you have some b2 downgrade

just checked, it's the 20mcg... how shaky am i supposed to get?
 
Nathan said:
I don't feel much on clen either. I use the same stuff as well. I don't feel much if anything on eca either. Not unless I pop a bunch before lifting.

Yeah, stimulants don't do much for me either - how many clens do you take?
 
clenbuterol increases insulin sensitivity. A ketogenic diet, of which on of the main purposes is to reduce blood insulin levels, is uneccessary and may be detrimental.

here is a little animal abstract- though the anabolism does not translate to humans(at least not significantly and seems to be limited to certain tissues)

Effects of clenbuterol on insulin resistance in conscious obese zucker rats. Pan, Shujia J., Joe Hancock, Zhenping Ding, Donovan Fogt, Mancheong Lee, and John L. Ivy. Exercise Physiology and Metabolism Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology and Health Education, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas 78712
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APStracts 7:0257E, 2000.
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The present study was conducted to determine the effect of chronic administration of the long-acting ß2-adrenergic agonist clenbuterol on rats that are genetically prone to insulin resistance and impaired glucose tolerance. Obese Zucker rats (fa/fa) were given 1 mg/kg of clenbuterol by oral intubation daily for 5 wk. Controls received an equivalent volume of water according to the same schedule. At the end of the treatment, rats were catheterized for euglycemic-hyperinsulinemic (15 mU insulin•kg«minus»1•min«minus»1) clamping. Clenbuterol did not change body weight compared with the control group but caused a redistribution of body weight: leg muscle weights increased, and abdominal fat weight decreased. The glucose infusion rate needed to maintain euglycemia and the rate of glucose disappearance were greater in the clenbuterol-treated rats. Furthermore, plasma insulin levels were decreased, and the rate of glucose uptake into hindlimb muscles and abdominal fat was increased in the clenbuterol-treated rats. This increased rate of glucose uptake was accompanied by a parallel increase in the rate of glycogen synthesis. The increase in muscle glucose uptake could not be ascribed to an increase in the glucose transport protein GLUT-4 in clenbuterol-treated rats. We conclude that chronic clenbuterol treatment reduces the insulin resistance of the obese Zucker rat by increasing insulin-stimulated muscle and adipose tissue glucose uptake. The improvements noted may be related to the repartitioning of body weight between tissues.

Received 11 August 2000; accepted in final form 4 December 2000
APS Manuscript Number E372-0.
Article publication pending Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab
ISSN 1080-4757 Copyright 2000 The American Physiological Society.
Published in APStracts on 28 December 2000
 
Well, a good way to see if you are loosing fat anyway is to check your bf%. A lot of people have a high tolerance to clen and take 7-10 pills to get an affect and even that high once they get use to it they increase the dosage. Try some superclen next time and see how your luck goes with them. You should not need to take a lot of them for sure.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
clenbuterol increases insulin sensitivity. A ketogenic diet, of
which on of the main purposes is to reduce blood insulin levels, is uneccessary and may be detrimental.



Thx for the abstract! I have a hard time transposing it to myself b/c the study focused on insulin resistance's effect on anabolism which doesn't really concern me (thanks a lot, inexistant beta-3 receptors! :( )...

So why would it be detrimental? My idiot self has a hard time seeing how the said slin sensitivity makes ketosis less effective, as long as I'm still IN ketosis...

Your expert opinion? (Should I just quit the clen till I'm off CKD and replace w/ PPA?)

BTW, Anyone else watching Predator right now?
 
I popped seven at one time and only got slight tremors. I didn't notice many side effects at all. (I did get pretty warm though.)
 
Your_Moms_Kneepads said:
If you are using clen regularly maybe the receptors are shutting down-some ketofen will do wonders if that's the case.

It's my first week EVER taking clen, so I don't think that's it...
 
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