WTC brought down by bombs?

[KAYNE]

YES, THE TOWERS WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY BOMBS.

WHEN A PLANE, GOING 300MPH, FULL OF FUEL, HITS A BUILDING AND EXPLODES.......WHAT THE HELL ELSE IS IT??? ITS A DAMN BOMB!!!


KAYNE

 

[thebabydoc]

The bombs were two 767 airplanes flying at 400 plus mph and fully loaded with fuel.

The buildings collapsed because the heat from the intense fire weakened the structure around where it was hit. When this structure gave way, the weight of the structure above it overloaded the supports below it and it came down. Better known as a cascading failure.

There were no secondary bombs. I too watched and rewatched the video's and saw no evidence to support that theory. I don't even think the terrorists thouhgt that they would cause this much damage.

You hit the nail right on the head, with one exception:

Do you think that they figured, "WTF, we'll crash a couple of planes and kill like 500 people"? This was clearly planned for a long time, and it dosen't take a nuclear physicist (sorry BigPhysBastard) to understand and calculate that "cascading failure" would result from taking out any floor below 105. The implosion/demolition of buildings relies on the building "taking itself down" utilizing this theory of cascading failure; the weight of each successive story acts to "piledrive" the next, lower story down. That's why Oklahoma and the previous WTC attack as well as the US Army barracks all were humongous explosions but failed to level their respective target buildings.

Their goal was to SHUT DOWN the US financial system and it looks like they succeeded. A simple crash, burn, repair 10 floors would not have succeeded in this goal.

Even if I'm way off base here, would you rather underestimate your opponent in an upcoming battle? Remember Sun Tzu. We should be very wary, knowing that although they cannot begin to understand and comprehend American patriotism and resolve, (unlike the Soviets in Afghanistan, who had none), surely they have anticipated and planned for many scenarios of a US-led retaliation. A second strike on U.S. soil using "suitcase nukes" and biochemical weapons is not only possible but almost certain. Believe me, this is a holy war for them and we must be prepared for the loss of hundreds of thousands of American lives if we are unwilling to use extreme and definitive force first and quickly.

Just something to think about before we start again with the same complacent arrogance that got us into this position in the first place.

 

[thebabydoc]

Oh yes, I believe those planes were travelling closer to 600 than 300 MPH.

 

[G-Force]

With a 400 ton + plane travelling at over 400mph the impact force would be around a million tons. A Boeing 767 has a fuel capacity of nearly 17000 US gallons and the resulting fire would have burned at around 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.The building was simply not designed to withstand this and the longer the fire burned the more inevitable the outcome was!
The main thing for me that blows Romero's theory out of the water is the fact that explosive devices would have detonated either simultaneously in each tower or a certain period of time after each impact, yet the south tower which was hit after 9am collapsed before 10am and the north tower which was hit well before 9am didn't collapse until 10.30am!
The reason for this difference is simple - the south tower was hit lower down by a pilot who even swerved to increase the impact force through added G and on the video replays you can see the differences in the impact. I also clearly remember one of the eye witnesses stating that the 767 crashed into the north tower but the 757 crashed THROUGH the south tower. Add to that the fact that it was impacted lower down meant more weight above the fire and the damaged exterior support columns some of which would have been completely severed by the sheer force of impact. I also have to agree 110% with Chesty in that I don't think the terrorists thought that they would actually bring the towers down otherwise they would have struck them even lower down leaving even more people trapped above the fire or causing almost instantaneous structural failure which either way would've made even this horrific death toll pale by comparison!

 

[madbomber31]

i also agree that they did not think the buildings would collapse... i also think that is why they are not claiming they did this... in my opinion if the buildings stood and the casualties were not nearly severe (1 is more than enough, yes) then bin ladin would have said "i got you fuckers".... instead, both collapsed.... 6000 plus are dead... and he and the taliban are thinking "oh fuck, we are fucking doomed".

 

[manny78]

stop these stupid rumours. They'Re enough threads already we dont need useless shit like that.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

The buildigns fell the way they did because they were designed the way they were: their "tubular" design, revolutionary in 1973 placed most of the load bearing on the outer walls of the building. It collapsed in on itself bcause the insides were weakest.

In other news, the planes did not hit lower because flying 350 mph, it is pretty hard to gauge exactly hoew far above other buildings you are. They wanted to be sure to hit their target.

 

[Y_lifter]

The designer's are very proud that the buildings stood for as long as they did after being hit. Allowing hundreds to escape before falling.

Any other bldg would have collapsed immediately killing everyone instantly..

 

[bouncer]

Here's an indication of the size of the impact. Taken from another site.


Seismographs picked up Trade Centre's collapse
online.ie 21 Sep 2001



The collapse of the World Trade Centre towers shook the ground with the strength of a minor earthquake.

Monitoring stations throughout the north-east of America recorded the tremors. The closest station, 21 miles north of lower Manhattan, was near enough to register the relatively smaller impacts of the two airliners as well.


Equipment also picked up the smaller signals generated by the collapse of other buildings and walls throughout the area.


All the monitoring stations are operated by the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University.


Seismographs collected from September 11 are published on its website. It reports the twin tower collapses were similar in strength to a small earthquake of a magnitude 2.4 on the Richter scale.


Experts say the collapse of the buildings was longer and more complex than the fault shifts which cause small earthquakes.


Bouncer

 

[Binky]

Gotta love the facts...
400 ton planes traveling 600mph with
17,000 gallons of Jet-a. Uh yeah..right.

Not that it really matters in the overall
scheme of things but.....

Max T/O weight for the 767 varies by
model between 395,000 and 412,000.
They hold upwards of 23,800 gallons of fuel.
600 mph at sea-level is almost supersonic
they were at about 300mph.

Given where these planes were going and
how empty they were, I'm thinking
way under max weight and prolly 12,000 gallons
of fuel.
Obviously still enough to do some real damage.
Also, IMO there was no additional bombs,
The structure was severely weakened by the heat.