WOW- the difference between EC and ECA is night and day.

[Lift Chief]

I did just an ephedrine/caffeine stack last semester and compared to taking it with aspirin it felt like nothing.

I was very jittery almost the whole 4 hours it was active in my system. Without the aspirin it's not nearly as strong.

I didn't realize aspirin was such an important component.

 

[satchboogie]

i remember a thread about aspirin preventing protein synthesis.

that was enough for me to stop thinkin about aspirin forever!!

 

[Lift Chief]

i remember a thread about aspirin preventing protein synthesis.

that was enough for me to stop thinkin about aspirin forever!!

You're kidding.... really?

I've never heard that before.

 

[satchboogie]

You're kidding.... really?

I've never heard that before.

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but i DID in fact read this somewhere.

bump for some of the chem wizards.

 

[Lift Chief]

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but i DID in fact read this somewhere.

bump for some of the chem wizards.

Internet misunderstanding- i'm being serious... if this is true to a substantial degree i'm going to stop.

 

[satchboogie]

this question deserves its own thread!

 

[matto18]

i heard something similar to that too, satch. wonder what the verdict is...

 

[rjl296]

NSAID s will all slow protein synthesis.
all said, the little aspirin you take with your ECA should not affect you too detrimentally

 

[geoboy]

my recollection of studies back in the day when ephedrine wasn't considered an evil outlaw compound to be hunted down and destroyed wherever it exists so that the world is safe for inferior expensive pharmaceutical prescription replacements ...... oh sorry ......is that the "A" part increases the jitters DRAMATICALLY but doesnt add that much to the thermogenic effects and weight loss results.

 

[wend]

Well, this is good to know...because I'm going to start an EC stack soon, but I'm going to get a product without aspirin. I don't think my stomach could take a daily aspirin dose. (lol, btw)

 

[Synpax]

It adds to the thermogenic affect by thinning your blood so the pulse has less resistance.

 

[wend]

I wonder if the compound I'm looking at is using something else to thin the blood and get the same effect (without being harsh to the stomach). It's Nutrex Lipo 6. Anyone heard about this, good or bad?

 

[MrMakaveli]

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but i DID in fact read this somewhere.

bump for some of the chem wizards.

It's true but I belive the asprin dose used in the study was quite high was it not? Wonder how much we can extrapolate from it...

 

[MrMakaveli]

It adds to the thermogenic affect by thinning your blood so the pulse has less resistance.

Asprin is also a weak uncoupler.

 

[MrMakaveli]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11600586&dopt=Abstract

..Maximal OTC dose, I wonder if lower doses produce noticable effect?


also:

Post-prandial thermogenesis with ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin in lean, pre-disposed obese and obese women.

Horton TJ, Geissler CA.

Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, King's College, University of London, Kensington, UK.

OBJECTIVE: To determine whether or not aspirin further potentiates the greater post-prandial thermogenesis induced by ephedrine with caffeine. DESIGN: Determination of the acute metabolic rate response to the following treatments: 1050 kJ liquid meal (M); meal plus ephedrine (30 mg) and caffeine (100 mg) (MEC) or meal plus ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin (300 mg) (MECA). SUBJECTS: Lean, pre-disposed obese and obese women (n = 10 each group). MEASUREMENTS: Pre- and post-treatment metabolic rate determinations via indirect calorimetry. Post-treatment measurements made at 20 min intervals for a total of 160 min. RESULTS: In all groups, metabolic rate increased significantly more following the MEC or MECA, compared to the meal only (p < 0.05). The obese group had a significantly greater absolute increase in metabolic rate following the MECA and MEC compared to both the lean and pre-disposed obese groups (p < 0.05). Metabolic rate remained elevated at the end of the 160 min following all treatments. CONCLUSION: Aspirin does not further potentiate the acute thermic effect of ephedrine and caffeine with a meal. However, the full thermogenic response was not measured and longer duration studies are necessary to confirm these results.

I'm wondering if the fact that the combo was taken with food had any influence on results (does food effect asprin at all?)

 

[goofball]

As was said before, NSAIDs (Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) in general inhibit protein synthesis.

the little aspirin you take with your ECA should not affect you too detrimentally

Even the recommended dose of aspirin is pretty harsh on the stomach. I don't think the benefits outweigh the gains, personally.

 

[Lift Chief]

As was said before, NSAIDs (Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) in general inhibit protein synthesis.



Even the recommended dose of aspirin is pretty harsh on the stomach. I don't think the benefits outweigh the gains, personally.

Interesting.

I'm going to drop the aspirin i think... this is the first time i've heard any negatives about including it in an ECA stack though.

 

[geoboy]

It adds to the thermogenic affect by thinning your blood so the pulse has less resistance.

I didnt say it andded nothing, just that the studies showed not much improvement over EC.

I'll take slightly less fatloss to get rid of the parkinsons patient impression thank you.

 

[argent]

How much aspirin are we talking about?

 

[MrMakaveli]

In ECA or for negative effects?

the study everyone is extrapolating from used the full OTC dose.

I posted it above.

 

[argent]

For ECA...sorry, I should have specified.

 

[concordsize]

This whole thread seems redundant in the fact that theres not much point in taking eca if your goal is to build muscle. So realy who cares if aspirin reduces protien uptake. Even if it did you wont be able to tell.

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