Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've heard vascularity improves mainly as a result of forcing the smooth muscle in vessels to adapt to higher volumes of blood. So would tying off your arms or hands to constrict blood flow until you got some huge-ass pumps every day or two make a noticable difference in vascularity in those areas?
would this work to improve vascularity?
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silver_shadow
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sounds disastrous... vascularity should be achieved by reducing bf%.
Protobuilder
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ROFL!!!!!!!
Joking, right? Bondage is NOT a good way to increase vascularity. LoL Otherwise, I'd be ripped!!
Joking, right? Bondage is NOT a good way to increase vascularity. LoL Otherwise, I'd be ripped!!
BiggT
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NO. Please do not try that, or there will be a "Law and Order: SVU" episode based on you.
I understand the question, like when you get blood work done and they tie a band around the forearm and all your veins pop out like crazy.....but that is not a permanent state of vascularity.
Stick around and post some stuff about your diet/cardio and you'll gets lots of good feedback. For vascularity it is as simple as lowering your bodyfat.
I understand the question, like when you get blood work done and they tie a band around the forearm and all your veins pop out like crazy.....but that is not a permanent state of vascularity.
Stick around and post some stuff about your diet/cardio and you'll gets lots of good feedback. For vascularity it is as simple as lowering your bodyfat.
Maks
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Probably it is true that the veins of your arms increase with the volume of the blood they have to carry. But, mind you, thats the volume of the blood FLOW. The best way to do this is by working the muscles of your arms. First, with the exercise the arterial blood flow will increase to supply the muscle with oxygen, glucosis and all that stuff. What comes in must go out again - your veins have to transport more blood as well, and will get bigger in diameter (to a degree, not endless 
). Second, when contracting your muscles, you put pressure on the deep veins (they run together with the arteries, you cant see them without removing skin/ muscle, and are responsible for the majority of the venous flow) and the capillaries. With that, you pump even more volume of blood in the superficial veins - those we all like to be visible under the skin.
Tying parts of your body off the blood flow is generally no good idea. I too think that you meant impeding the venous backflow like they do when taking bloodsamples - not the hard version with tying off the arterias as well, which is very bad. Ok, the problem with that is that you would forcefully dilate the veins, not make them grow by themselves. In the veins there are valves that prevent the blood from going the wrong way (e.g. back into your hand when you let your arm hang down). If you increase the diameter by force, those valves dont close properly, and the blood starts to pendle (Dunno if that is the right word .. like in going back and forth). That again dilates the vein even more, which again destroys the function of the valves. The result of this you can see pretty often - varicosis, which we really DONT want to see shining through the skin. With all the possible complications like thrombosis and thrombophlebitis and so on.
Im just doing educated guessing here. Im not sure if that would be exactly the same big problem in the arms like in the legs - the arms get far more often at heart level or higher, so the venous flow is better in them anyways, even with insufficient valves. But it sure is a big problem in legs.
You wont see much of veins when you are cold, when you are very excited or in pain (you will have cold sweaty hands then), when you never ever did any work with your hands, and when you dont have much blood volume right that moment for one reason or another. And, of course, when there is a big fat layer above them. Hehe .. but you can still feel them under the fat, like some kind of bicycle tube. So - they are there, waiting for you to cut ...
Just my 5 cents though ...
). Second, when contracting your muscles, you put pressure on the deep veins (they run together with the arteries, you cant see them without removing skin/ muscle, and are responsible for the majority of the venous flow) and the capillaries. With that, you pump even more volume of blood in the superficial veins - those we all like to be visible under the skin.Tying parts of your body off the blood flow is generally no good idea. I too think that you meant impeding the venous backflow like they do when taking bloodsamples - not the hard version with tying off the arterias as well, which is very bad. Ok, the problem with that is that you would forcefully dilate the veins, not make them grow by themselves. In the veins there are valves that prevent the blood from going the wrong way (e.g. back into your hand when you let your arm hang down). If you increase the diameter by force, those valves dont close properly, and the blood starts to pendle (Dunno if that is the right word .. like in going back and forth). That again dilates the vein even more, which again destroys the function of the valves. The result of this you can see pretty often - varicosis, which we really DONT want to see shining through the skin. With all the possible complications like thrombosis and thrombophlebitis and so on.
Im just doing educated guessing here. Im not sure if that would be exactly the same big problem in the arms like in the legs - the arms get far more often at heart level or higher, so the venous flow is better in them anyways, even with insufficient valves. But it sure is a big problem in legs.
You wont see much of veins when you are cold, when you are very excited or in pain (you will have cold sweaty hands then), when you never ever did any work with your hands, and when you dont have much blood volume right that moment for one reason or another. And, of course, when there is a big fat layer above them. Hehe .. but you can still feel them under the fat, like some kind of bicycle tube. So - they are there, waiting for you to cut ...
Just my 5 cents though ...
wow that was a hell of a post maks, thx for all the info.
I like vascularity even more than definition, so i'm looking for the best ways to improve it. Obviously theres BF, but that has to fluctuate a lot between bulking and cutting, so i'm more concerned with increasing the actual size of vessels, not just their visibility.
I'm trying to come up with a few different things for ultra crazy pumps, but you convinced me to dump the idea in this thread. You're probably right about backflowing blood likely causing more varicosis than anything else. I was just toying with the idea...
I'm still hoping that there are effective ways to train vascularity specifically, in addition to the normal pumps that come from lifting. I'd like to learn about the ideal ways to train for it. I doubt all the standard rules of strength training fully apply to maximizing vascularity since skeletal muscle and smooth muscle are different things and are under different conditions.
I like vascularity even more than definition, so i'm looking for the best ways to improve it. Obviously theres BF, but that has to fluctuate a lot between bulking and cutting, so i'm more concerned with increasing the actual size of vessels, not just their visibility.
I'm trying to come up with a few different things for ultra crazy pumps, but you convinced me to dump the idea in this thread. You're probably right about backflowing blood likely causing more varicosis than anything else. I was just toying with the idea...
I'm still hoping that there are effective ways to train vascularity specifically, in addition to the normal pumps that come from lifting. I'd like to learn about the ideal ways to train for it. I doubt all the standard rules of strength training fully apply to maximizing vascularity since skeletal muscle and smooth muscle are different things and are under different conditions.
silver_shadow
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When you get the rope firmly around your neck, you can hide it with a scarf..
If you do a search on my username you will see where I have posted about two guys that show up at the bar with rubber cockrings / rubber bands around their arms just to make their veins stick out.
Some people like myself are extremely vascular without doing anything. But then you even have some probodbuilders that can low in BF and still do not appear overly vascular. I guess it is 80% genetic and 20% low bodyfat that combines is.
If you do a search on my username you will see where I have posted about two guys that show up at the bar with rubber cockrings / rubber bands around their arms just to make their veins stick out.
Some people like myself are extremely vascular without doing anything. But then you even have some probodbuilders that can low in BF and still do not appear overly vascular. I guess it is 80% genetic and 20% low bodyfat that combines is.
silver_shadow
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AAP said:
you owe me a kidney.... i just laughed mine out
silver_shadow
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u owe me two kidneys now, AAP 
SgtSlaughter
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I think I had a tiny stroke in my brain from laughing so hard reading that bar story 
