Would like some experienced suggestions on a first cycle.

[Gentner8]

I am looking to start my first cycle. I have been reading and reading and now my head is spinning. This may be a bit long of a read, and this is my first post so bear with me.

Quick background. I work hard manual labor 5 days a week as a carpet installer. I was in good shape until my kids came, then I kind of slowed things down a bit and got into some shitty eating habits. Developed a beer gut in that time also. Here I am 6 years later (im 33) at 5'10" weighing in a 240. I have always had a stocky build, but I know I still have a bit of fat to lose. I am now on a strict diet and my beer intake has been dramatically cut down. I used to drink 8-12 a day, now its like 1-3 a day if at all.

I am trying to get back to where I was 6 years ago, plus add a bunch of lean mass. I have been working out for a couple of months and enjoying every second of it. The subject of AAS has always been in my head since my 20's, and have been wanting to try it. Well, here I am and some gear just happened to "fall" into my hands.

I would like to get some suggestions on setting up a good cycle with what I have on hand. But I need everyone to bear in mind that even though I tear it up at the gym, I still need to use my body the next day at work (which also involves a lot of bulk and dead lifting). I have some dbol, eq, and test prop or cypro (it says propanato and cypronato on the bottles). I got this from someone that I trust, so it should all be good and legit. I also have some novaldex. This is what I have to start out with, so I will have to make it work. What I would like is for some of the most experience guys tell me how to make the most of this setup. Everytime I would get an idea, I would read something that would contradict it.

Thanks in advance, you have no idea how much it means to me! It really sucks being the new guy....

 

[jmt24]

from what it sounds like, you have a high body fat%. before you take any gear, you should be at 12% or less. You won't benefit as much from it at a high bf. You need to work on your diet, thats the key. steroids aren't a magic pill. you could also consider taking some fat burning products from the afstore

 

[JohnnyWest]

ya what jmt24 said, get your diet and cardio in shape and if you have been only lifting for only a couple of months, you definatlry should give it more time otherwise you wont have a good base and probably lose alot of your gains, not to mention hurt yourself. i lifted naturally for 3 years before i touched anything, and i still could have waited longer. with that said, you can get some Trex or something from the af store to help ya out. honestly you shoulld hold off on the juice atleast until you get your bf down, and no, steroids dont burn fat.

 

[JohnnyWest]

one more thing, do you know about the sides and how to control them? do you know what PCT is?

 

[scout69]

I drink myself but every day is no good get to the gym workout for a month or so get that body fat down tha I woul suggest throwing in acycle Juice is no miracle wroker hit the gym hard man

 

[Gentner8]

Yes, I have done extensive reading on PCT. For what its worth, my bf is not as high as I make it sound. Keep in mind that my job is very cardio and have been doing it since I was 18. If you have never done it, then you really wouldn't know exactly what Im talking about. Please dont take this as being a smart ass, because I am far from it. I routinely have to move a whole house full of furniture before I can even do the carpet part. I am a stocky strong guy. I am confident that the remaining fat will be sucked up by my workouts in the next few weeks.

I appreciate the comments, and I expected them. But, I can assure you that I am ready to do this and am moving forward. I also ordered some liquiclom and liquidex to compliment the cycle. So now, assuming that everything else is in check and up to par, where would you start?

Thanks for the comments and keep em coming!

PS, for what it worth, Im working on quitting beer alltogether.

 

[LVTitan]

stop drinking for a while. you say you have some dbol/eq and test. that doesnt tell me much bro:
how many dbol you have ?? what mg are they ??
how much eq do you have ?? what mg/ml concentration is it ??
what EXACTLY does it say on the label for the bottle of test.. read the whole thing to me...
this will help us figure out a cycle based on what you have to work with

 

[Stacemranger]

Agreed with titan, need to know Mg's and concentrations.

 

[Gentner8]

Ok, without actually counting the dbols, Im going to guess between 200-300 and they are the 5mg thais.

I have 2 bottles of the Equipoise 200.
That say boldenone and undecyclena 10ml. 200mg per ml

I then have 2 bottles of Endocrinico Bi Testo
The label says:
Testosterona Propionato 100g
Testosterona Enantato 500g
Vitamina E (D-L Alfatocoferol) 500g
Vehicculo oleoso c.s.p. 10,000 ml

There are about 30-40 Novaldex in the bag.

 

[LVTitan]

okay, correct me if i'm wrong, but i will assume your BiTesto is also 10cc bottles like your eq.
so you have 20cc's of duo test (prob/cyp) btw that is some high concentration gear !!
and you have 20cc's of eq 200
what brand of gear is this out of curiosity ?? okay you have plenty of dbol probably for 2 cycles bro. are they the old 5 sided pink ones ?? if they are 5mg then i would cycle as follows.

week 1-4 dbol 20mg/day (4pills a day, 2 before you workout , 2 at lunch)
week 1-12 test 480mg/week (0.5cc every 5 days)

this should use up exactly one bottle of test, and leave you with a bottle left over for another cycle, as well as enough dbol for a second cycle.
then you could incorporate the eq, but save the eq for now, your first cycle should be a simple test cycle.
now make sure you have your pct ready also.
hope this helps, now give me karma cuase it was a bitch to figure out.

 

[Gentner8]

okay, correct me if i'm wrong, but i will assume your BiTesto is also 10cc bottles like your eq.
so you have 20cc's of duo test (prob/cyp) btw that is some high concentration gear !!
and you have 20cc's of eq 200
what brand of gear is this out of curiosity ?? okay you have plenty of dbol probably for 2 cycles bro. are they the old 5 sided pink ones ?? if they are 5mg then i would cycle as follows.

week 1-4 dbol 20mg/day (4pills a day, 2 before you workout , 2 at lunch)
week 1-12 test 480mg/week (0.5cc every 5 days)

this should use up exactly one bottle of test, and leave you with a bottle left over for another cycle, as well as enough dbol for a second cycle.
then you could incorporate the eq, but save the eq for now, your first cycle should be a simple test cycle.
now make sure you have your pct ready also.
hope this helps, now give me karma cuase it was a bitch to figure out.

Yeah, they are also the same size as the eq's, 10ml. I really didn't see a brand on them, but I didnt study it too long because my kids get nosey quick. I dont need them snooping around if you know what I mean. But the Eq is from Euro Pharm.

Thanks for answering my question straight and to the point, thats the kind of replies I am looking for. I did indeed bump your karma.

 

[Gentner8]

I just checked the test product and it appears to manufactured by cimol laboratories. I did a search to see if it came up on the forum, but it didn't.
Does anyone have any experience with gear from this manufacturer?

 

[big49ersfan]

dude enjoy the cyle you going to be telling your misses out of interest i need to tell mine (a girlfreind) (even tho i ave done a cycle and never told her) if so how you gona go about it.

 

[Gentner8]

I wish I could tell the wife, its just not in the cards. We have been together for half our lives, and believe me, somethings just are best left alone. Im not saying you shouldn't, but mine cant be reasoned with on certain subjects, this would most definately fall under that category.

 

[swolenole]

okay, correct me if i'm wrong, but i will assume your BiTesto is also 10cc bottles like your eq.
so you have 20cc's of duo test (prob/cyp) btw that is some high concentration gear !!
and you have 20cc's of eq 200
what brand of gear is this out of curiosity ?? okay you have plenty of dbol probably for 2 cycles bro. are they the old 5 sided pink ones ?? if they are 5mg then i would cycle as follows.

week 1-4 dbol 20mg/day (4pills a day, 2 before you workout , 2 at lunch)
week 1-12 test 480mg/week (0.5cc every 5 days)

this should use up exactly one bottle of test, and leave you with a bottle left over for another cycle, as well as enough dbol for a second cycle.
then you could incorporate the eq, but save the eq for now, your first cycle should be a simple test cycle.
now make sure you have your pct ready also.
hope this helps, now give me karma cuase it was a bitch to figure out.

good advice..save the EQ for when your bodyfat is lower..I don't think you would notice much from it now..remember lots of protien if you want to gain muscle!!

 

[Gentner8]

I will save the eq for a later time. I am also confused about the usage of arimidex during the cycle. I see people that take it ED and then there's some that take it E3D. I also read a post stating not to take it during the cycle. Same for Novaldex. I just keep reading so much contradicting what I read the day before. I would think that the use of the AI would be required. This shit is confusing the hell out of me due to the overabundance of info.

I do need to make a correction on the gear however.
The box and the actual label are different, and I assume the box was the typo as the label sounds more realistic.
It says there is 1gram and 5 grams per 100ml i.e. .1 and .5 in the bottle.
Im not too good at conversions. How many cc's would this equate to per injection? Would I see any benefit to only 1 injection per week instead of every 4-5 days? What if the dose was increased a bit (not much)? Would anyone suggest anavar instead of the dbol based on my description?

Im fortunate to have a buddy that was heavily into lifting and gear up until he had an accident at work. Now due to back problem (from a fall) he can nolonger play in any reindeer games.

Thanks again for the help guys, and keep the comments coming. I am sucking them up. This board is the most reading I have done since school.