Woman & Primo

[Dieselicious]

My girl has done 2 cycles of Var & 3 of Winny with no bad sydes - except she said her joints hurt from the Winny. The Var ripped her up but she wasnt too happy with results.

What do you Girls think about Primo - I hear its another choice woman can get away with. can you give some dosages & experiance?

She is not competing - but we are both always train like we are anyway.

She is 5.2 125 about 7 percent (im guessing) but nice abs you know.

 

[Sassy69]

7%? Is the intent to maintain that? I guess I'm not sure what your goals are first. I wouldnt' suggest maintaining 7% for too long....

Primo -- apparently caps / tabs are coming back. Injectable is the common, but make sure you know its real. Has a history of being a highly faked drug and not the cheapest. Sides are probably similar to winny w/ the acne, hair falling out & voice change. (I'm comparing these to winny as these are more present in winny than in var - but noting just because your g/f didnt' get aggressive sides on winny means nothing about how she might react to primo.) Its a slightly longer acting esther. Typical dosage 50-150 mg/week-ish - never suggest going w/ the higher dosage when the lower is sufficient. You can always increase but remember it takes 3-4 weeks to really show its results and as long to get out of your system, whereas winny & var are fairly quickly out of your system. It doesn't dry out your joints like winny.

 

[Dieselicious]

My girl is naturally slender so she is constantly wanting to put on a little more muscle but her diet is always so strict she cant just pack on size. The winny worked but apparently she is not were she wants to be. wanted to go to the next level.

She is after the Monica Brandt look she and I both love that look - but monica holds a nice amount of size at times too. What do you think Monica brandt uses or has used. You can kind of see masculization in her face - but she is still georgious of course!

 

[Daisy_Girl]

At 7%, she would be shredded beyond a competitor-look. Female fitness/figure competitors rarely get this low .... they usually are around 10% (give or take, depending on the individual).

7% in a female is NOT a maintainable BF!

 

[The Shadow]

Oh boy....

imo - Unless she is pro Bodybuilding caliber "ripped" - she isnt close to 7%....I guarantee you that.

Var didnt rip her up - neither did the Winny - her diet did.


why in the blue hell would she want to hit up any gear if she isnt competing??


Primo cause a lot more damage than it get credit for - hair loss in particular.




Like Sassy said - you cant compare oral results with an injectable as the half life is longer for the Primo (3-5 days) and it will pile up inthe system - so when you experience the sides, nothing can be done at that point.


You mentioned that her diet is so strict that se cant put on any size - that is horrible logic. I think you mean that she cant add any LBM w/o adding some fat.

EVERYTHING in fitness is related to diet.

Period.

 

[Sassy69]

Oh boy....

imo - Unless she is pro Bodybuilding caliber "ripped" - she isnt close to 7%....I guarantee you that.

Var didnt rip her up - neither did the Winny - her diet did.


why in the blue hell would she want to hit up any gear if she isnt competing??


Primo cause a lot more damage than it get credit for - hair loss in particular.




Like Sassy said - you cant compare oral results with an injectable as the half life is longer for the Primo (3-5 days) and it will pile up inthe system - so when you experience the sides, nothing can be done at that point.


You mentioned that her diet is so strict that se cant put on any size - that is horrible logic. I think you mean that she cant add any LBM w/o adding some fat.

EVERYTHING in fitness is related to diet.

Period.

I have to major ditto here -- I just saw the above comment about can't put on any size. Eat for your goals. A strict diet is useless if you want to add muslce - eat like you want to add muscle. If she's already 7% and eating a strict diet I wonder if her diet is borderline catabolic then w/ whatever fuel demands come from training. Relying on the drugs to avoid catabolism don't really deal w/ the goal either. I'd say skip the drugs & run a bulking diet. I get that she wants a "look" - but don't try to force a look w/ drugs if your diet isn't supporting your goals.

 

[Dieselicious]

I said my 7% was an estimate I asked her last night and it is 8% I said she is ripped and has no fat. Her Doctor said as long as she is still getting her period 8% is okay. I guess when chicks get to low BF they dont get a period anymore - she still does - trust me.
But thank you Sassy - Its just hard to tell a girl that when she is so set in her ways. But I know how it is. I am 5.11 235 and still see a pencil neck when I look in the mirror. Big-o-rexia to the max....

 

[Dieselicious]

???? I am sure we are not the only people who use AAS and do not compete. I do AAS cause I can & cause I feel like it !!!! I dont need to be on stage to prove to people I am the best - all I want is to know myself that I am at my best. I do a modest 2 a year. one for size in the winter and one for rippes in the summer and I keep my dosage at a super safe level...

 

[The Shadow]

I said my 7% was an estimate I asked her last night and it is 8% I said she is ripped and has no fat. Her Doctor said as long as she is still getting her period 8% is okay. I guess when chicks get to low BF they dont get a period anymore - she still does - trust me.
But thank you Sassy - Its just hard to tell a girl that when she is so set in her ways. But I know how it is. I am 5.11 235 and still see a pencil neck when I look in the mirror. Big-o-rexia to the max....

8% is an estimate as well.



what are her mm skin pinches??

 

[Sassy69]

D - we're not slamming you if it comes across as that, but when you are talkign about women vs men and your experience using AAS, there's actually so much less reason to use the drugs. I agree that if she's still getting her period at low bodyfat then its ok -- how are you measuring the 8%? Some people just have that build & metabolism to pull that off, but I guess whether or not 8% is accurate and she is actually maintaining it doesn't really matter to me because I haven't seen pictures, don't know her or you and its the internet.

The important things are paying attention to the goals. You/ she can try all teh different drugs you want regardless of what we suggest or say - the difference is that whatever you as a guy use recreationally (i.e. not for competition) generally has less impact on your system than it does for a girl - i.e. girls can't be so cavalier about using AAS. Even if she had no problems w/ winny & var, she can easily come across primo or anythign else that just kicks her in the ass - i.e. gets significant voice change, etc. that may or may not go away. This is where esp for women, you are your very own personal Petri dish. Its all an experiment and no one can guarantee or predict any particular sides except her. That's where we are just loading up on the caveats and saying pay attention to the goals. If its a "look" she is after and hasnt' gotten it from several cycles of 2 different AAS, then let's look first at history and consider:

1) Were the drugs real or what they were advertised to be?

2) Was the diet supporting what the goal was? I.e. you can cut or bulk on any drug, but if your DIET & TRAINING aren't also supporting those goals, it really doesnt' matter what you are popping or shooting.

So that would lead me to ask is her diet in tune with the goal? And "diet" doesnt' always mean restricted variety & calories, but rather fueling for what you are trying to accomplish. And also recognizing that even diet needs to be cyclic. If you maintain the same diet for extended periods of time, particularly a restricted diet, it will stagnate and screw up the results even though you think you are doing the right thing. There is constant change goign on in your body and esp when you are at the extremes of dieting, you need to give time to come back to what is "normal" as well. For ex, when I follow competition diets for 4 months at a time, I will usually run a "detox diet" for a week or two when I am done w/ teh comeptition diet. Meaning, comeptition diet restricts the amounts of good fruits and veggies that I consume. I usually develop lactose intolerance when I cut dairy out and have a hard time digesting anything w/ lots of simple sugars w/o feeling like I'm experiencing heart palpitations and then drop into a sugar coma. So then I'll take a week or two of juicing, eating lots of good fruits -- fruits contain enzymes that the body uses to help shuttle out waste / by products of daily metabolic functions that haven't been cleared out of my system for 4 months. Basically just clean things out and then start over again.

So at the risk of sounding preachy -- start w/ a diet overhaul before looking to other drugs. If she's not building mass, then she may be a hard gainer, has a crazy metabolism or whatever. So learn how to diet to accommodate that & get to the results she is willing to try 3 different types of steroids to gain. I'm guessing the lack of correct diet is what is inhibiting results from the 2 steroids already tried. So why bother trying yet another type if the diet still isn't correct for the goal?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I THIRD the "eat for goals". No being able to put on size is a diet issue - not a gear issue.

To put on size, you have to EAT to put on size. And USUALLY putting on size means some fat comes with it. Especially if she is lean to begin with. SHe needs to EAT to put on size.

LIn addition to the skinfold mms, please post her SPECIFIC diet - better yet, have HER post here.

Specifics means:

6am
4 egg whites, 1 whole egg
1/2c oatmeal made with water and splenda
coffee, black

9am
2 scoops protein, shake made with water
16 almonds

12pm
4 oz chicken breast, grilled, no sauce
1/2c brown rice, plain
1oz avacado

etc, etc etc. The more details, the better.

 

[Dieselicious]

Sassy thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I am going home to preach diet to her again. The thing is getting her to eat more - she never wants to go smooth. Like for me & most of us - I eat real big for a while (not concerned with abbs or going smooth) I put on size and then take some time to tighted it all up and repeat. The AAS enabled her to put on some size while staying lean like she likes.
Believe me I am trying to shy her away from AAS, Problem is I still use, If I stopped it would be easy for her to - but since I am not ready to - I have no place telling her she cant use. especially like I said, since she has a few under the belt with no bad sides - maybe she is lucky - or maybe her body handes the hormonal changes well.

So in your opinion - Primo is a big leap ahead from Winny & chances of sides are higher. What about a super low dose along with low dose var? is that safer?

 

[Dieselicious]

I am going to take Daisy's advice - let her read this tonight at home and maybe she will want to post...

I appreciate if you all will help her out to - thanks again..

 

[Sassy69]

Sassy thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I am going home to preach diet to her again. The thing is getting her to eat more - she never wants to go smooth. Like for me & most of us - I eat real big for a while (not concerned with abbs or going smooth) I put on size and then take some time to tighted it all up and repeat. The AAS enabled her to put on some size while staying lean like she likes.
Believe me I am trying to shy her away from AAS, Problem is I still use, If I stopped it would be easy for her to - but since I am not ready to - I have no place telling her she cant use. especially like I said, since she has a few under the belt with no bad sides - maybe she is lucky - or maybe her body handes the hormonal changes well.

So in your opinion - Primo is a big leap ahead from Winny & chances of sides are higher. What about a super low dose along with low dose var? is that safer?

LOL IMO... Here's all I can say..... and these are the ground rules for anyone, esp a female using AAS -- this is common sense & part of the reality of playing the game...

1) Never mix stuff you've never used. If she wants to try primo - then run the primo by itself. Primo & var are two completley different compounds so thinking that just because you are runnign low doses of both means nothing relative to running any dose of either. If she absolutely has to run primo, then run it alone before stacking it. And I mean run a full cycle, not just go 2 weeks and then throw in the var. Primo takes at least 3 weeks to really show itself and another 3-4 weeks to get it out of your system once u stop taking it. If she decides she doesn't like clumps of hair falling out, then guess what, its gonna continue to happen for another month. Is it worth it?


2) She is her own peronal Petri dish - I can't tell you anything about how primo will / won't work for her. f she just has to run the primo, then first get her to do a shitload of research on it. Like I said above primo is a longer acting compound, has harsher sides and is less predictable than var. She can decide to do whatever she wants as long as she knows the sides that are possible and is willing to accept them. With anything, start out slow. If she's not competing , absolutely no reason to go big. Start at say 50 mg / E5D. YOu can always increase or back down, or quit. But its all on her. Her body, her sides, her results. Primo is bigger than var. More sides, sides are unpredictable and dont' go away so fast. Just be aware.

A couple other comments - if she's not competing, when you talk to people who use to compete, remember that they are all about having a certain look on a certain time of day on the target competition day. They don't assume that the results are maintainable. Its all about cycling and changes and being comfortable w/ that change. If you assume whatever results you get are maitnainable and static until the cows come home, you will spend the rest of your life trying to force those same static results when your body can no longer maintain them. That's a losing battle.

You're still asking questions about the drugs when they are irrelevant w/o the diet. Honestly I'd suggest the following approach:

1) 4-6 weeks of HONEST diet & training to build. If you don't want to lose the 6-pack then quite whining about not having any size. You aren't eating for size so you wont' get size.

2) Consider adding var along w/ the HONEST diet & training for size. Again, var, primo, test, eq, bull seman will not get results if you aren't eatign for your goals.

3) Maybe go mess w/ primo IF and ONLY IF she does the research, makes an honest decision to run it and then start at low doses PATIENTLY see results or discontinue depending on sides and HONESTLY diet & train for the results you want.

IF the diet & trainign aren't in line w/ whatever you think you are taking the drugs for then I probably don't want to talk to you anymore about it.

Again, dont' want to sound preachy, but its simple & common sense. If she needs to get over this obsession w/ leanness, then start there. The rest just complicates it if that isnt' addressed first. Or else adjust the goals accordingly.

And definitely get her on here - diet isn't real sexy to talk about, but that's what is emphasized on this board -- and its just a little shift in mentality about the whole thing, but its still a considerable part of the "fitness lifestyle" that people take for granted and then spend more time messing w/ extraneous stuff trying to get the results that their diet isn't geared towards.

 

[Dieselicious]

Sassy you are so - SO - the bomb, you left nothing unsaid.. so I have no more to ask - and will now leave the chick board and go back to the meathead board. You didnt waste a breath - your advice will be taken for sure.. and I will get her on here too, right away.

youre awesome chick.. thank you...

 

[Daisy_Girl]

YAY ... we always love more "chicks" on here! I think she will get a TON of good info here ... guidance that can make a world of difference in her diet, training and results. Both gear-related and non-gear-related!

And agreed ... Sassy rocks. I am not sure what we would do without Sassy and Shadow ... they are hands-down the best.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Oh boy....

imo - Unless she is pro Bodybuilding caliber "ripped" - she isnt close to 7%....I guarantee you that.

Var didnt rip her up - neither did the Winny - her diet did.


why in the blue hell would she want to hit up any gear if she isnt competing??


Primo cause a lot more damage than it get credit for - hair loss in particular.




Like Sassy said - you cant compare oral results with an injectable as the half life is longer for the Primo (3-5 days) and it will pile up inthe system - so when you experience the sides, nothing can be done at that point.


You mentioned that her diet is so strict that se cant put on any size - that is horrible logic. I think you mean that she cant add any LBM w/o adding some fat.

EVERYTHING in fitness is related to diet.

Period.

Word I lost a shit load of hair on primo it took a year to get it back to it's full thickness. In most woman hair lose is not acceptable side. AAS is completely risk reward, if she not competing why take such great risks?