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Wiretapping, protections...

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Again, these notes were taken during my 2nd year of law school... so my memory is hazy... I do believe that some parts were taken from legalines... such as the first part of the notes... (i.e., facts etc.).

Katz v. United States: People protected not things.
• Facts: The FBI monitored telephone conversations by attaching a listening device to the outside of a public telephone booth. Information gathered about wagering was used as evidence to convict Kats (D), who appealed his conviction. The court of appeals held that the search was not illegal because there was no physical entrance into the area occupied by D. The SC granted cert.
• Issue: Must the police obtain a search warrant before wiretapping a public telephone booth?
• Held: Yes. Conviction reversed.
• (a). Areas or places are not protected, but people are. What a person could reasonably expect to preserve as private (a conversation), even in an area accessible to the public, is protected from unlawful invasion without a warrant. Wherever a person is, he is entitled to know that he will remain free form unreasonable searches and seizures.
• (b). Physical intrusion and the theory of seizure only of material items as unlawful is discredited. The government, however, could have made the search had it first obtained a search warrant.
• Concurrence: (Harlan). The critical factor here is that the booth becomes temporarily private place when someone enters it and shuts the door.
• Dissent: The 4th Amendment does not forbid eavesdropping. Wiretapping is the modern equivalent of eavesdropping.
• Comment: The Katz court added that no electronic surveillance may be undertaken without a search warrant. Such searches without warrants are per se unreasonable. The decisions goes on to set forth the standards under which such warrants will be issued.
• Consequences of Katz: A number of questions remain after the Katz decision. Does protection depend on whether the police use artificial means of surveilance? What if the police are in a public place and simply observe what the D wants to keep private?
• Formerly searches were illegal only when they constituted an unauthorized intrusion by the police into an area where “privacy would normally be expected by the owner or occupant of the property.” Therefore, observing that which was open to the public view did not constitute an illegal search. This is probably still the law.
• For example, the SC in Harris v. US, that objects falling into the “Plain view” of an officer are subject to seizure without a warrant; or what a person knowingly exposes to the public, even in her own home, is not protected by the 4th amendment. Of course, where the police use some artifical means to observe the D’s conduct, then the “search” may fall within the proscription of Katz.


C-ditty
 
this psot doens;t amke any sense manny jsut siad its so easy tog et a warrant and they jsut give them away so wahts the point ? if it sso easy to get a warrant why wouldn't you do so ? man i am confused as shit but thats a lawyers job confusion=reasonable doubt
 
Wow dude. I can't even understand your complaint about my post. :)

This post is a case, that actually happened... about when police wiretapped a public phone booth. If you have a reasonable expectation of privacy... then you have a privacy protection under the 4th amendment... in the phone booth, you have protections, at least... while on the phone, and the door closed... you believe yourself to be speaking in private.

This would be contrasted if someone had the door of the booth open, and were shouting very loudly on the phone... if anyone on the street could over hear it... then a transmitter on the street... perhaps placed on the outside of the booth.. (that would only pick up noise on the OUTSIDE of the booth) would be acceptable... more as eavesdropping... and not wiretapping.

C-ditty
 
Citrus, what's your take on the use of parabolic mics...

They seem to be used frequently now even though the person talking could be in their home and have an expectation of privacy and talking at a volume that no one on the street could possibly hear normally...

What about those laser thingys that can pick up sound by the vibration of a glass window, even if it would be impossible to physically overhear a conversation...

It seems inconsistent to me since the listening device in Katz wasn't actually installed on the phone or in the booth (reads like it was a microphone-type device, not an actual wiretap, but I could be misintrepreting).
 
AustinTX said:
Citrus, what's your take on the use of parabolic mics...

They seem to be used frequently now even though the person talking could be in their home and have an expectation of privacy and talking at a volume that no one on the street could possibly hear normally...

What about those laser thingys that can pick up sound by the vibration of a glass window, even if it would be impossible to physically overhear a conversation...

It seems inconsistent to me since the listening device in Katz wasn't actually installed on the phone or in the booth (reads like it was a microphone-type device, not an actual wiretap, but I could be misintrepreting).

Yes, but the mic was one that could pick up sounds inside the phone booth... which would amount to an invasion of privacy.

Here are some examples. Using a heat detector to see images inside someone's house... violation. Parabolic mics... to pick up sound from far away... no dice. Going through your garbage... no privacy... if you throw it away... then the police cna go through it... because ANYONE in the public can.

Now, if a plane flying over a persons property, can openly see within a walled structure (ie, compound)... that is not a violation of privacy... because you don't have a privacy expectation of your airspace (above... ie, a private person could do it).

If an officer can get close enough to people in public, to hear them talking... that wouldn't be a violation... even if he recorded it.

These are just examples I remember from cases.

C-ditty
 
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