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Winstrol: two questions

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drunkbastard

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My roommate has talked me into doing an 8-week Winstrol cycle. First question: can the liquid be done orally? I have a huge aversion to needles, and everything I've been reading says that oral Winstrol is in tablet form and the liquid is for injecting.

Second, can Winstrol be stacked with M1-test? Or would that just be asking for my liver to jump right out of my body?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Once again. Do some research.
winstrol by itself is a waste of time and money. You will be frustrated at the end. If you want to do this correctly, i suggest you do some research and run some test with the winstrol.
As far as drinking it is concerned, yes you can drink it, but you will lose a lot of it as it's passed through the liver. If you do not want to inject, then you are not ready for AAS bro.

TEST IS THE BASE FOR ALL CYCLES!!!!
 
big_mike said:
Once again. Do some research.
winstrol by itself is a waste of time and money. You will be frustrated at the end. If you want to do this correctly, i suggest you do some research and run some test with the winstrol.
As far as drinking it is concerned, yes you can drink it, but you will lose a lot of it as it's passed through the liver. If you do not want to inject, then you are not ready for AAS bro.

TEST IS THE BASE FOR ALL CYCLES!!!!
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This is the 2nd thread where you have said that something was useless by itself. First Eq, now winny, both useless by themselves? I beg to differ. Maybe he wants what winny alone can offer, rather than telling everyone they need test.
 
And if you really are a drunk bastard I wouldnt be doing too much winstrol. Drinking and gear does not mix, especially winstrol. I knew a guy who was on the tabs 50mg ed and had to go to the hospital and was pissing blood. I think it was the strol because he had been drinking while juicing before that but once he started taking the strol the trouble started.
 
Clean said:
This is the 2nd thread where you have said that something was useless by itself. First Eq, now winny, both useless by themselves? I beg to differ. Maybe he wants what winny alone can offer, rather than telling everyone they need test.
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whatever bro. If you read the EQ thread closely, it was going to be his FIRST cycle. I don't care what you say, EQ for a first cycle, especially by itself is USELESS!! As a first cycle he should run a test, and EQ along with the test should be run at no less than 400mg. If you are into giving newbies advice on how EQ is a great first cycle then more power to you. I however do not believe EQ alone, especially as a first cycle is a good move, and yes, test is a base for ALL cycles. I can't wait till i hear that someone wants to run TREN by itself, and you come out of nowhere saying it's ok to run tren by itself....come on now. BTW, to me, winstrol by itself is a useless cycle, from many others that i have listened to and conversated with. They all came back dissapointed. When they tried it again, and added a generous amount of test to the cycle, they were wondering why they hadn't listened to me in the first place. Drinking will yield some gains, but nowhere close to what injecting it will do. Drinking winstrol will only waste a good amount.
 
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Clean said:
This is the 2nd thread where you have said that something was useless by itself. First Eq, now winny, both useless by themselves? I beg to differ. Maybe he wants what winny alone can offer, rather than telling everyone they need test.
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Agree... Administered correctly, winstrol can yield some qualty gains. Not everyone want to gain 25lbs on a cycle and take creative stacks.
But, in this case, drunkbastard - I do reccomend doing some homework.
 
TheRide said:
Agree... Administered correctly, winstrol can yield some qualty gains. Not everyone want to gain 25lbs on a cycle and take creative stacks.
But, in this case, drunkbastard - I do reccomend doing some homework.
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I agree ride, but sometimes you have to weigh out the pro's and the cons. I agree that winstrol will yield SOME gains, however, most people are out for a quick fix, and those who do not administer the winstrol properly (80 %) of people, will be dissapointed in the end.
 
Clean said:
This is the 2nd thread where you have said that something was useless by itself. First Eq, now winny, both useless by themselves? I beg to differ. Maybe he wants what winny alone can offer, rather than telling everyone they need test.
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Agreed.

However, individuals who are impatient and who also have shit genetics and/or poor training and eating habits might not want to do milder cycles since these people rely more on drugs to achieve their gains.

I've done an eq only cycle and got good gains. I also am currently on a winny only cycle taking it orally and have run this before as well with good gains.

Another thing test is a good base but it's not needed for everyone.

btw - winny is c-17 alpha alkylated so yes it will work well when taken orally although injecting would be better.
 
I am going to run a winny only cycle also. I am not sure how many mg/day or how long I should run it ? I was gonna do 50mg/day for 6 weeks does that sound a/b right?
Mike P.T. said:
Agreed.

However, individuals who are impatient and who also have shit genetics and/or poor training and eating habits might not want to do milder cycles since these people rely more on drugs to achieve their gains.

I've done an eq only cycle and got good gains. I also am currently on a winny only cycle taking it orally and have run this before as well with good gains.

Another thing test is a good base but it's not needed for everyone.

btw - winny is c-17 alpha alkylated so yes it will work well when taken orally although injecting would be better.
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Clean said:
This is the 2nd thread where you have said that something was useless by itself. First Eq, now winny, both useless by themselves? I beg to differ. Maybe he wants what winny alone can offer, rather than telling everyone they need test.
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Agree... w/Clean. I do not think either is "useless" by themselves. Personally I have used EQ alone and w/proper nutrition and training was very pleased with the results. In terms of Winstrol, don't underestimate its potential. @ 50mg/ED or even EOD, you can obtain some decent results. Now granted it won't be the same as if you stacked it with additional AAS but, it's far from "useless"
 
From my own experience Winstrol worked great by itself, I ran it 100mg everyother day for 6 weeks and it gave me 8 lbs of muscle that I kept. It was QV Stan 100, painfull shit... so I drank it.
 
big_mike said:
whatever bro. If you read the EQ thread closely, it was going to be his FIRST cycle. I don't care what you say, EQ for a first cycle, especially by itself is USELESS!! As a first cycle he should run a test, and EQ along with the test should be run at no less than 400mg. If you are into giving newbies advice on how EQ is a great first cycle then more power to you. I however do not believe EQ alone, especially as a first cycle is a good move, and yes, test is a base for ALL cycles. I can't wait till i hear that someone wants to run TREN by itself, and you come out of nowhere saying it's ok to run tren by itself....come on now. BTW, to me, winstrol by itself is a useless cycle, from many others that i have listened to and conversated with. They all came back dissapointed. When they tried it again, and added a generous amount of test to the cycle, they were wondering why they hadn't listened to me in the first place. Drinking will yield some gains, but nowhere close to what injecting it will do. Drinking winstrol will only waste a good amount.
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I agree, why not get the most of it, by taking 2 or 3 inject on the same cycle. Anything alone is a waste.
 
This completely depends on what he is expecting from the cycle. I'm running an 8wk winny cycle solo right now. Then again, i have enough mass to make the Win worth it. If you're trying to get thick and lean at the same time...know that even though its possible, it takes time. if you want to add some lean mass fast and harden up, i agree with Mike...throw some test in your ass bro!
 
8 weeks of Winny is not a waste of money. Results should be nice, a little gain in LBM and a harder appearance. I agree tough test should be the base for every cycle. Also, 6 weeks may be a better idea as far as the Winny as it's a 17AA.
 
I love how people waste their breath and generalize cycles as if they worked the same for everybody. I agree with theride and clean, and disagree with big mike.
1. Winstrol by itself DOES work. (If the person has mass and wants to get ripped while preserving AND maybe adding a few more pounds of lean muscle, then this is for them)
2. Injectable winstrol is JUST AS EFFECTIVE when taken orally because it is 17aa no matter what. That means you DON'T "loose a lot of it" (as big mike stated) when it passes through your liver the first time.
3. Winstrol is not "useless" and not a waste of money. It will produce great resluts with 50mg/ed for 6 weeks. Best part is.....you get to keep all your gains.
Big mike, I didn't mean to flame you there, but I would just wish that people would say facts when trying to give advice to other people on here. We all know that winny is just about as good taken orally (injectable kind) than if it was shot. People say "if you can't inject, then you're not ready for aas". I think that's one of the most bullshit statements people make. From a rational stand point...(and by the way, I do inject)....if someone doesn't want to do anything except one cycle in their whole life and they want to get cut, add a few lean lbs of muscle and try winny orally, are you telling me they won't get results??? Do they need fucking pemission from anybody to do that cycle? Who are these people telling them they are not ready for an aas cycle?? If a winny cycle is effective (orally), then why can't someone do just one and benefit from it?? I love seeing people just echo other shit that people say on here. It's so rediculous. Winny works by itself. It is a great steroid.
 
Any other opinions on oral vs. inject? I find this interesting... anyone have experience to back up their opinion?
 
I've actually been thinking of throwing some Winstrol into my next cycle. My original plan was to run Deca 350mg wks 1-10; EQ 400 mg wks 1-14; Winstrol 50 mg EOD wks 8-14. My goal is to add strength, around 10-15 lbs. I'll keep, and to lean out. I haven't used clomid or nolva before, so any advise on that would be appreciated.
 
Also, should the winny tabs be chewed? Some friends said it would help. Does it really matter? What do u guys think?
 
Unless they're the old IP winny tabs, they don't need to be chewed. I've done winny orally and via inject... exact same results. I also agree that winny by itself can be VERY good. Personally, I get more strength from 30mg/day of winny than from 50mg/day of dbol.. and as we all know, if you can lift more weight, and you eat enough, you're going to grow. Sure winny won't give you 30lbs in 3 months, but the 8-10 it does give you will stick around. Orally works about 99% as well as injection, and no steroid is worthless by itself... blanket statements like that annoy me.
 
capn said:
Any other opinions on oral vs. inject? I find this interesting... anyone have experience to back up their opinion?
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I always have used IM. Orals and the lixer toxity issue never sat well w/me.

BUT, I am planning on running anavar next spring so I guess that makes me a hypocrite! :)
 
I am taking it orally under the tongue. Is that the go??Do you wash it down with anything ?Milk Thistle ??Where do you get that from ?
 
I am in week 5 1/2 on a winny only cycle. I am using 10mg tabs 60mg/day broken up into 3 doses 3 times a day. I started at 175lb and I’m 185lb now. The gains are solid, my strength is up considerably. I am starting clen also to help me when I am off in two weeks. WINNY WORKS BY ITS SELF.
 
SPARTAN13 said:
I am taking it orally under the tongue. Is that the go??Do you wash it down with anything ?Milk Thistle ??Where do you get that from ?
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Wal Mart vitamin section. Cheap! If you don't live near a wal mart then try any online supplement store.
 
TheRide said:
I always have used IM. Orals and the lixer toxity issue never sat well w/me.

BUT, I am planning on running anavar next spring so I guess that makes me a hypocrite! :)
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me too bro... what are you gonna be taking your var with?
Bionic
 
there was an article posted here some time ago, dunno who posted it.

but conclusion was.. injecting is about 20-30% 'better' then doing winny orally.
 
so tired of people like bigmike throwing what they call 'facts' around. You're not a doctor, nor do you have any personal experience to back it up. ANY form of AAS by itself is not 'useless' otherwise it would not be as popular. In my own personal experience, winny DOES WORK. On a 7 week cycle@50mg ed wk1-5 100mg ed wk6-7, it boosted strength and added 10lbs of LBM. With proper training and diet, this mild cycle can help you understand how your body reacts to AAS, and also it starts small with your receptor sites. In the long run receptor affinity plays a huge role in gains. dont throw around words like 'useless'.
 
I would think posting on this board with questions would be "Doing Research" You want this guy to do some research but won't answer his question without a smart ass remark Big Mike ?

Makes perfect sense i guess...if your retarded??
 
Personally, I wouldn't do any cycle without a test base, but to each his own.

The only reason I'm weighing in here is to state that 8 weeks on Winny is a bit long. Your liver will suffer badly. Also, Winny is really, really hard on HDL. So your cholesterol ratios will be all out of whack. You really don't want them to be that far out of whack for 8 weeks. Most knowledgable people (i.e., people who want to cycle for the long term) use Winny for no more than 6 weeks. A lot of people even restrict it to 4 weeks.

Finally, yes, you can drink injectable Winny. (LOL) Most people say that they don't see much difference in gains between drinking and injecting. There are opposing opinions however. But I did see a Winny study once that was done on dogs that found that the dogs that received injectable Winny experienced 32% more gains than those that received it orally. Are dogs a good analogue for humans? Maybe, maybe not. I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.

Good luck.
 
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