Winstrol pills & effectiveness (interesting read)

[Nutrient-Nut]

Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The generic drug is stanozolol, although the common brand name for this particular anabolic steroid is Winstrol. Winstrol is a 17-alpha alkylated steroid, which means that the drug is orally active. The structural features of androgenic/anabolic steroids explains why this modification makes the steroid orally effective. The bottom line is that injected winstrol is no more effective than oral winstrol. That is the first misconception I would like to dispel about this drug. Many people see results from injecting winstrol, but don’t seem to get anything from the pills. This is because they are not using equivalent dosages. Traditionally, the oral dosage of winstrol has been around 20-30 mg per day while the injected dosage is 50 mg per day. It seems pretty clear where the problem lies, not in the method of delivery but the total amount of drug that’s used. Winstrol has recently become very available as a pure pharmaceutical powder. This has made proper oral dosing a reality.

NN

 

[Kronos]

who wrote this ? Many bbs do 50mg eod which should be like doing 25 mg orally everyday. ED seems like it would keep your blood levels more stable especially if you dose it out evenly during the day. I get decent results at 25-40mg Ed if it's spread out during the day.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I think injecting is better than taking them orally. I have done both and I feel like im taking 25mg when I am eating instead of the actual 50. If I inject 50 I can feel and see 50.

 

[Mike P.T.]

I think injecting is better than taking them orally. I have done both and I feel like im taking 25mg when I am eating instead of the actual 50. If I inject 50 I can feel and see 50.

Yeah I agree. Even though both are effective injecting is MORE effective. genarr3 posted a study done on this actually and taking it orally showed about a 30% less effective difference than injecting it blood level of the drug-wise.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

This article came from Anabolic Extreme Archives - Issue # 27

NN

I also side with the people that think injectable Winstrol is MORE effective, but the pills are good also, and shouldn't be thought of as a waste. I've had good cycles with the addition of 25-50 mg's of oral Winstrol included.

 

[bunkka]

What is the highest concentration you guys would inject?

My plan is to experiment with 75mgs IM/ EOD in a couple of months. I have a really good feeling about this and it's not something I hear too many people are doing.

I know Win crystals have a "half-life" of 1 day, but when they start going, they really start going so it's not a ''true half life". But, the estimate is that it is still 1 day when refering to a winny "half life".

Taking 75mgs/EOD, thus, would leave you with 37.5mgs after 24 hrs. According to most people's feelings, 37.5 mgs of IM winny is as effective as 50 mgs oral.

I guess it's all experimentation and I plan on tracking myself pretty closely during this cycle. We shall see.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Bunka I did 100mg eod for about 4-5 weeks a while ago and I got good results. I agree with you on what you say and I feel ed is not needed.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Yeah it should even out. I know a guy that did 200mg ED IM for 2 weeks. Amazing results, even on his liver.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

I think that 75 mg EOD of the injectable would be a good dose. I don't agree that Winstrol IM has to be taken every day, every other day is fine!

NN

 

[bunkka]

. Amazing results, even on his liver.

Golfer.. was this tongue in cheek? Or were you saying it was a safe and effective dose?

That's still a bit concentrated for my tastes, bro.

 

[marky]

Golfer and Mike PT i agree

I undeniably having tried back and forth both oral and injected have found without a doubt in my mind that injecting stanozolol is more effective mg/mg than oral. This over 10 years.

 

[genarr3]

I don't claim the validity of either study, just stuff I've read. I do know however where the study posted on this thread orginiated from - the WAR 96 book. Very old and outdated. Read this one ..

Got this off of Brock Strasser's column on T - Mag


Q: There's this huge debate raging over whether or not you can "drink" your Winny-V. I know that because stanozolol is 17-AA'ed, I can use it orally. However, how much more or less effective is oral stanozolol over injected stanozolol? I hear that you need about twice as much stanozolol orally as you would injected to see similar results. How was this figure of doubling the dose orally determined?

A: There isn't a lot of great pharmacokinetic data in humans comparing oral to parenteral (injectable) stanozolol. So that idea of "if you use X amount by injection you need twice as much orally" is anecdotal and speculative at best. The best I could find is a study comparing the two methods of administration in dogs. My comments come after the abstract:

The effect of stanozolol on 15-nitrogen retention in the dog

Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)

Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB [Find other articles with these Authors] Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta.

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined.

Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

Okay, so the oral dose was 28mg/week and the injected dose was 25mg/week. And the injected dose was far better at increasing nitrogen retention (67.0% versus 50.3%). This makes it about 33.2% better (roughly speaking), so if I extrapolate, it means to see the same effects as 25mg of injected stanozolol per week, you'd need to take about 38mg of it orally.

This isn't quite "twice the injected dose" and is, in fact, closer to 50% (52% or so actually). So if you assume the dog model is correct, or nearly so in other mammals like humans, you'd need about 50% more stanozolol orally than you would if you injected it. So if you used 50mg of injected Winstrol every other day, it would be a safe bet to assume 37.5mg of stanozolol used orally every day would provide a similar effect.

 

[HONSZ]

I took 150mg ED for 4 weeks-then 4 weeks with 100mg daily and 2 weeks with 50eod - was hard and full blown !
Added Lagalon as a shield for the liver and added 20 Gramm of L-Glutamin and 40mg daily of Vanady Sulfate !! Cut and Full !
Greetz

 

[tomnossor]

Unless I missed it?

I understood that oral supplementation involved a pass through the digestive system and liver (I think) before blood levels begin to rise. 17aa hinders the livers ability to remove the steroid from the body, but does not eliminate its ability.

So Inject and your drug goes through blood then through the liver then blood then liver...

Ingest and then you get liver, blood, liver, ...

This means that you have more drugs for you muscle with the same mg does.

I have no idea what part of this I read and what part I made up, but this is why I thought it would be better to use injectable winny.