Winstrol/GHB & Anesthesia

[LatinCurves]

Okay, this week (2/27)I am getting elective surgery done and they are putting me under. It's something I've waited for for a very long time so I feel really excited and don't want anything to screw it up.

Here's the deal. They give you lists of all the meds you need to stop taking 10 days prior...some are 4 weeks prior or they will cancel your surgery. Unfortnately, I was thinking too clearly and tried a coupld of things recently that I have not disclosed to my doctor (part embarrassed, part think maybe there is nothing to worry about). Most of the concern they expressed was over diet pills etc understandably since that can mess with your blood pressure/heart rate.

Around the 14th, I tried GHB..a very small amount, like a 2 liter soda capful amount. I got very sick and wound up throwing up because of it...I kind of lost the effects after getting sick so I'm not really sure anything stayed "absorbed". I was told this is naturally occuring in your body anyway and leaves your body in 4 hours.

Now, here's the dumb thing I did. A very long time ago, I chanced upon some Winstrol tabs (tokkyo). I do not recall the dosage of the tabs. From reading stuff online, it seems most companies manufacture the tabs in 2 mg size although then I read the tokkyos were at 10 mg. That's a big discrepancy so it makes me wonder.

Anyway, I never took them but since I'm getting this surgery (breast enhancement) I did the girl thing and "tried" them even though I didn't really know what I was doing..I believe I took 2 tabs, sometimes 3 per day for about 1 week. Then I just stopped taking what I had because I knew I had no clue what I was doing.

The nature of it doesn't seem "dangerous" ..b/c what it does to begin with and the amount was small. My last dose of it would be 2 weeks prior to date of surgery. I was not going to mention this to the doctor.

Should I err on the side of caution or am I just being neurotic anout getting knocked out with drugs during the surgery and the remnants of winny giving me a heart attack. ;-)

THANKS!

 

[Unity66]

im about to go under for a torn ACL.........

AS interfer with the ability of the blood to clot.........not recommended for those getting cut

Unity66

 

[Double_F'N_R]

Then I just stopped taking what I had because I knew I had no clue what I was doing.

That is a good thing. AS are nothing to just cluelessly play around with.

As for the Winny, I don't know how long it stays in your system, but plenty of people here do.

Should I err on the side of caution or am I just being neurotic anout getting knocked out with drugs during the surgery and the remnants of winny giving me a heart attack. ;-)

Personally I think you will be fine - and hopefully have nice breasts and be happy with them - and if you are that concerned, you could always ask the doctor - that's what they are there for ya know

Good Luck

 

[Double_F'N_R]

Oh, I forgot about the GHB. That won't affect anything. But I gotta say - GHB is stupid.

Again, good luck and enjoy the new breasts.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

Okay, this week (2/27)I am getting elective surgery done and they are putting me under. It's something I've waited for for a very long time so I feel really excited and don't want anything to screw it up.

Here's the deal. They give you lists of all the meds you need to stop taking 10 days prior...some are 4 weeks prior or they will cancel your surgery. Unfortnately, I was thinking too clearly and tried a coupld of things recently that I have not disclosed to my doctor (part embarrassed, part think maybe there is nothing to worry about). Most of the concern they expressed was over diet pills etc understandably since that can mess with your blood pressure/heart rate.

Around the 14th, I tried GHB..a very small amount, like a 2 liter soda capful amount. I got very sick and wound up throwing up because of it...I kind of lost the effects after getting sick so I'm not really sure anything stayed "absorbed". I was told this is naturally occuring in your body anyway and leaves your body in 4 hours.

Now, here's the dumb thing I did. A very long time ago, I chanced upon some Winstrol tabs (tokkyo). I do not recall the dosage of the tabs. From reading stuff online, it seems most companies manufacture the tabs in 2 mg size although then I read the tokkyos were at 10 mg. That's a big discrepancy so it makes me wonder.

Anyway, I never took them but since I'm getting this surgery (breast enhancement) I did the girl thing and "tried" them even though I didn't really know what I was doing..I believe I took 2 tabs, sometimes 3 per day for about 1 week. Then I just stopped taking what I had because I knew I had no clue what I was doing.

The nature of it doesn't seem "dangerous" ..b/c what it does to begin with and the amount was small. My last dose of it would be 2 weeks prior to date of surgery. I was not going to mention this to the doctor.

Should I err on the side of caution or am I just being neurotic anout getting knocked out with drugs during the surgery and the remnants of winny giving me a heart attack. ;-)

THANKS!

Im an RN. Dont worry about what you have taken. Dont bother mentioning it. Say nothing.
Also the degree that anabolics (if you were taking anything considerable) would effect clotting is very little- again I wouldnt tell the docs even if I was on a cycle. A healthy persons body can compensate for the slightly increased clotting times anyway.
Enjoy the new rack and post pics of your new sweater zepplins on the picture board...

 

[Unity66]

Your_Moms_Kneepads.......i just dont think thats really good advice. AS use decreases the time it takes for coagulation to occurr and interferes, to varying degrees with this process.......

everyone reacts differently..........stating that an individual, under-going surgery, should pay no regard to use of a substance which acts as an anti-coagulant is not good advice.......esp from an RN...

no flame brother.......we know one another as good bros, just that working in a hospital----well, i dont like to hear codes go off and such........lol

Unity66

 

[LatinCurves]

Well, I'm about feeling like the idiot for even having to think about this. I don't smoke or even drink alcohol. I have no idea how it was I "tested" these two things in the same month when I'm pretty much a "good kid". I guess we all rebel once in awhile and now I'm paying the consequence with having to worry. I've never even had stitches or anything so this surgery is sort of scary anyway.

I'm not very worried about the GHB thing as it made me sick anyway. I won't be trying it again either.

Now on the Winstrol...the most I ingested was 40 pills total during the the last week of Jan-2nd week of February. That estimate is probably high. The brand was TTokkyo and from what I see, they make 10 mg tabs..not 2 mg like everyone else. (Do they manaufacture 2 mg at all?) They were pink octagon shaped, just like in pictures I've seen on this brand. Still, it's a little odd to me because I didn't notice any physical changes in leanness, endurance, or anything though I may have felt tired from training more than usual. I was eating clean and doing am cardio and pm cardio after lifting. Would 400 mg total just have been too little over this time frame for my body weight or something. (?)

The other thing, well, it will be a little over two weeks since I took the last pill by the day I go into surgery. Doesn't winstrol tablets become undetectable by that time?

Well, I have another few days. Just hate to blindside my surgeon or the anesthesiologist at the last minute. I'll have to pay for cancelling the surgery, you know as well as be extremely embarrased about witholding this information. Half of me says "F#$@ it, if I'm not clotting so quickly, they have drugs to control that"...the other half says I already did two dumb things this month.

No offense to any of you who use this-it's just that in my case I was just seeing what would happen and that's a pretty stupid thing to do with AS.

ANy other feedback is welcome. ;-) Thanks...I am crossing my fingers for new boobs...

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

Your_Moms_Kneepads.......i just dont think thats really good advice. AS use decreases the time it takes for coagulation to occurr and interferes, to varying degrees with this process.......

everyone reacts differently..........stating that an individual, under-going surgery, should pay no regard to use of a substance which acts as an anti-coagulant is not good advice.......esp from an RN...

no flame brother.......we know one another as good bros, just that working in a hospital----well, i dont like to hear codes go off and such........lol

Unity66

People always say that. The degree that AS affect coagulation is not aprreciable--unless you have been on meds like Coumadin or Lovenox(Rx anticoagulants) or are taking Aspirin on a regular basis.
Also the surgery itself has ALOT to do with it. Breast augmentation has almost no blood loss. Same thing goes for something like arthroscopic knee repair,ect-all relatively minor procedures.
That being said if one were getting a procedure done where alot of bleeding was possible or likely like a joint replacement ,open bowel surgery (ie colectomy),or something crucial like a craniotomy (brain surgery) or tumor removal--then you should tell them about your cycle/AS use.
Dont forget--- taking some Vitamin K will help with the body's ability to clot. When a person has a high Prothrombin time/INR thats what we give them.
Im on the inside and see what goes on.Telling some of these docs doesn't help you--it just puts damaging info. in your medical records and dirty looks from everyone who reads your History and Physical. I took care of a young guy who obviously juiced and he admitted he had used AAS in the past and had been using them currently. It had no effect on his condition or how the surgery itself was done. In the H&P in the chart the MD tried to draw correlations from his AAS use to all kinds of shit. Bad idea.
People worry too much.

 

[Fonz]

Well, I'm about feeling like the idiot for even having to think about this. I don't smoke or even drink alcohol. I have no idea how it was I "tested" these two things in the same month when I'm pretty much a "good kid". I guess we all rebel once in awhile and now I'm paying the consequence with having to worry. I've never even had stitches or anything so this surgery is sort of scary anyway.

I'm not very worried about the GHB thing as it made me sick anyway. I won't be trying it again either.

Now on the Winstrol...the most I ingested was 40 pills total during the the last week of Jan-2nd week of February. That estimate is probably high. The brand was TTokkyo and from what I see, they make 10 mg tabs..not 2 mg like everyone else. (Do they manaufacture 2 mg at all?) They were pink octagon shaped, just like in pictures I've seen on this brand. Still, it's a little odd to me because I didn't notice any physical changes in leanness, endurance, or anything though I may have felt tired from training more than usual. I was eating clean and doing am cardio and pm cardio after lifting. Would 400 mg total just have been too little over this time frame for my body weight or something. (?)

The other thing, well, it will be a little over two weeks since I took the last pill by the day I go into surgery. Doesn't winstrol tablets become undetectable by that time?

Well, I have another few days. Just hate to blindside my surgeon o

Well, in as far as the winstrol is concerned YMK is much more
knowledgeable than me in that topic, and I would take his advice.

In as far as the GHB is concerned you have nothing
to worry about. GHB's metabolites(CO2 and H20)
will be gone within 24 hours so thats that. The only possiible
way GHB coud be harmful to you, is if you took
it a couple of hours before the op..... And that would be
well.........Insane LOL

Good luck in your OP...

Fonz

 

[Big Moose]

On the same topic, I am having my tonsels taking out in about a month and was supposed to be bridging with 20mg/day of anavar. Would it be wise for me to stop the bridge about a week or 2 before the surgery? I probably will not be able to train for about ten days after anyway.

 

[solidspine]

You will be fine,

Just don’t have a big breakfast!

Seriously the gear you have taken, and even the ghb will not interfere with your Anesthesia.

On a totally different subject, I would stay away from GHB.

Personally I have taken a lot of ghb, and thought I knew what I was doing -------- overdosed once, ended up in the ER nearly dead.

 

[LatinCurves]

Well, just thought I'd post an update. I had my surgery yesterday and everything went absolutely fine! I followed the advice of YMKP and did not mention anything about the winny or GHB and it posed no problem. I'd note caution with this though because I think someone who did do more than TRY should say something.

I chewed a peice of sugar free gum that morning and then realized I'd been told not to even chew gum. What do you know, I SWALLOWED the stupid gum. The anethesiologst said I should be okay but noted others might have cancelled me over that. (You lose your ability to choke I guess when under).

No brusing or swelling or weird looking things happening and I am recovering very fast.

Happy, Happy! Thanks for the advice!