Winstrol + Deca

[Top-Notch]

Just wondering.

Putting these 2 together will that give you some size and cut?
How long does the winstrol take to 'kick in'?
And is this a bad cycle since there is no test?
What would be my PCT?

Thanks

 

[SYNCMASTER1]

Yes I was also wondering about doing this for my first cycle..
Winny+dbol for 6 weeks??

 

[Top-Notch]

werd..bump

 

[jmead]

2 orals= NOT A CYCLE

deca without test= limp noodle

 

[abomb]

Just wondering.

Putting these 2 together will that give you some size and cut?
How long does the winstrol take to 'kick in'?
And is this a bad cycle since there is no test?
What would be my PCT?

Thanks

Need some stats and history. Example of a diet also.

Testosterone is the best "bang for your buck" hormone out there. It should be included as a base with every cycle. Winny and Deca alone will not produce much. Winstrol is used because is does not convert to estrogen. It gives great strength gains while keeping you dry and hard. Deca is a androgen that does aromatize, meaning you will retain water while using it. Deca is known to cause gyno problems and also causes erectile disfuction aka "deca dick". By adding test with an aromatase inhibitor (blocks estrogen) you will get great gains in strength and your sex drive will be higher offsetting the "deca dick". Winstrol is known to dry your joints out, causing pain during training and possibly injury. Deca is often supplemented with Winny because it actually "lubes" your joints and offsets the dryness that Winny causes. If this is your first cycle then I would run the following:

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg
Week 1-18 Aromasin 20 mg ed or AIFM (anafit store) 2-3 pumps ed
Week 14-18 Clomid 50 ed
Week 14-18 Nolva 20 mg ed
*HCG if your nuts have shrunk

If you want to stack Test/Deca/Winstrol (Not recommended for your first cycle - straight test will do everything that you want - pinky swear)

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg
Week 1-10 NPP 100 mg eod (Fast acting Deca - better for side prevention)
Week 6-12 Winny 50 mg ed (Add Tyler Liver Detox from anafit store)

Same PCT

 

[abomb]

Yes I was also wondering about doing this for my first cycle..
Winny+dbol for 6 weeks??

Oral cycles do NOTHING but put your health at risk. If your afraid of needles -this game is not for you.

 

[T-Matt]

Need some stats and history. Example of a diet also.

Testosterone is the best "bang for your buck" hormone out there. It should be included as a base with every cycle. Winny and Deca alone will not produce much. Winstrol is used because is does not convert to estrogen. It gives great strength gains while keeping you dry and hard. Deca is a androgen that does aromatize, meaning you will retain water while using it. Deca is known to cause gyno problems and also causes erectile disfuction aka "deca dick". By adding test with an aromatase inhibitor (blocks estrogen) you will get great gains in strength and your sex drive will be higher offsetting the "deca dick". Winstrol is known to dry your joints out, causing pain during training and possibly injury. Deca is often supplemented with Winny because it actually "lubes" your joints and offsets the dryness that Winny causes. If this is your first cycle then I would run the following:

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg
Week 1-18 Aromasin 20 mg ed or AIFM (anafit store) 2-3 pumps ed
Week 14-18 Clomid 50 ed
Week 14-18 Nolva 20 mg ed
*HCG if your nuts have shrunk

If you want to stack Test/Deca/Winstrol (Not recommended for your first cycle - straight test will do everything that you want - pinky swear)

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg
Week 1-10 NPP 100 mg eod (Fast acting Deca - better for side prevention)
Week 6-12 Winny 50 mg ed (Add Tyler Liver Detox from anafit store)

Same PCT

Solid post bro! couldn't have said it any better myself! K to you!

T-Matt

 

[abomb]

Gracias' - I guess I'm in a samaritan mood this morning.

 

[ryan04]

2 orals= NOT A CYCLE

deca without test= limp noodle

deca is not an oral, and deca only causes a limp noodle in some, not all. I do agree on using test in every cycle though.

 

[Top-Notch]

Deca is not an oral..and the winstrol that i want isnt a oral either...i have done a "Deca Cycle" alone and i didnt have any problems with deca dick or whatver you ppl say it is....i didnt like it gains b/c i just expected more mass but deca does that....

but thanks alot for the help

 

[1Mistake2006]

Just wondering.

Putting these 2 together will that give you some size and cut?
How long does the winstrol take to 'kick in'?
And is this a bad cycle since there is no test?
What would be my PCT?

Thanks

Both?? Good chance you'll have lower sex drive and some hair loss........

 

[T-Matt]

If I were you I'd go Winstrol & NPP.. Both are fast acting, many have noticed less sides with NPP..

T-Matt

 

[jmead]

Deca is not an oral..and the winstrol that i want isnt a oral either...i have done a "Deca Cycle" alone and i didnt have any problems with deca dick or whatver you ppl say it is....i didnt like it gains b/c i just expected more mass but deca does that....

but thanks alot for the help

the other guy said winny+dbol for 6 wks, im not a moron i know deca is not an oral.. and VERY FEW people can run deca without losing libido or havin penis trouble without the aid of some for of test.. deca shuts you down hard.. i ran a deca alone cycle too.. thought it was cool to fuck for 5 hours and not nutt.. until my dick started gettin raw every time i had sex.. bleh

 

[Bruce]

run winny with npp and proviron. npp will take care of the joints. winny will cut you up and both will make you strong. if you get limp you can drop npp and it clears fast. deca can leave you hangin for a long time like months. proviron should handle it but stick with npp.

 

[jagerbombme]

Need some stats and history. Example of a diet also.

Testosterone is the best "bang for your buck" hormone out there. It should be included as a base with every cycle. Winny and Deca alone will not produce much. Winstrol is used because is does not convert to estrogen. It gives great strength gains while keeping you dry and hard. Deca is a androgen that does aromatize, meaning you will retain water while using it. Deca is known to cause gyno problems and also causes erectile disfuction aka "deca dick". By adding test with an aromatase inhibitor (blocks estrogen) you will get great gains in strength and your sex drive will be higher offsetting the "deca dick". Winstrol is known to dry your joints out, causing pain during training and possibly injury. Deca is often supplemented with Winny because it actually "lubes" your joints and offsets the dryness that Winny causes. If this is your first cycle then I would run the following:

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg
Week 1-18 Aromasin 20 mg ed or AIFM (anafit store) 2-3 pumps ed
Week 14-18 Clomid 50 ed
Week 14-18 Nolva 20 mg ed
*HCG if your nuts have shrunk

If you want to stack Test/Deca/Winstrol (Not recommended for your first cycle - straight test will do everything that you want - pinky swear)

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg
Week 1-10 NPP 100 mg eod (Fast acting Deca - better for side prevention)
Week 6-12 Winny 50 mg ed (Add Tyler Liver Detox from anafit store)

Same PCT

deca i thought had much more anabolic properties than androgenic. also, the fact that it has little conversion to estrogen i would think you would retain less water. it does impact the progestin or w/e it is and i believe that is where some of the water comes from. nandralone also promotes collagen synthesis which will yes, aid in keeping from injuries due to winnys drying effects. am i right here?

but anywho, why not test and winny? sounds better to me, or test, winny and deca, or npp

 

[OMEGA]

The Tes, Dec, and Win Stack is "famous: in a way

and if you do the reasearch you find out why
it poetry actually

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

Oral cycles do NOTHING but put your health at risk. If your afraid of needles -this game is not for you.

Very much a generalization and not at all a true statement. If a woman takes an anavar only cycle at 10mg per day is this putting her health at risk because she's taking orals only and no injectables?