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What kind of results would I get from taking Winny (50mg/ED, Zambons) and Fina (75mg/ED) for eight weeks. I want to gain about fifteen pounds and get very vascular.
Winny/Fina
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Excellent combination.With a super high protein intake from start to finish and some insane training,you could get 15 lbs of LBM no problem.
i am very confused with fina, i have done research on it over and over, i just saw a couple of posts saying that winny and fina don't work well together, and then i see huck posting that they are excellent, i tend to believe huck cause i read a lot of his posts, and he knows the deal, what about fina aromatizing, i have read that it doesn't, and that it does, so what's the deal, do you need to take an anti-e or not?? What do you think Huck??
Willyumyum
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Defenitely true, I just finished a cycle with that combo in there and jumped from 238 pre-cycle to 265, and now I'm two days into clomid therapy... But we wont talk about that
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Fina and winny are a highly synergistic combination.Fina binds more powerfully to the androgen receptor than any other steroid out there,and mediates it's anabolism through this,as well as the suppression of the gluccocorticoid receptor's activity.Winstrol has piss poor binding at the androgen receptor and thus mediates it's anabolic influence through seperate or indirect pathways from the A/R.Combining the two gives explosive results,as multiple anabolic/anti-catabolic mechanisms are invoked through a multitude of chemical reactions independent of one another.The downside to this combination is that both drugs tend to dry out the synovial membrane's fluid excretion in the joint capsule(through inhibition of cortisol)and this can often lead to achey joints.
Nolvadex would be a good idea to run with fina,as it seems to not only block off E/R's,but studies suggest it may have some intrinsic progesterone blocking capability as well.An anti-prolactin such as Vitex(chasteberry)or bromocryptine,or the ever-elusive(and superior)cabergoline would also be wise to have on hand as well.
Nolvadex would be a good idea to run with fina,as it seems to not only block off E/R's,but studies suggest it may have some intrinsic progesterone blocking capability as well.An anti-prolactin such as Vitex(chasteberry)or bromocryptine,or the ever-elusive(and superior)cabergoline would also be wise to have on hand as well.
WormAAA77 said:
Sounds quite interesting!Any idea on cost/availability?
muscle_geek
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Is there a potential for loss of sex drive or performance if I ran Winny and Fina together without test. Or would you recommend Prop?
muscle_geek said:
Yes,that possibility exists.I would recommend either test or PROVIRON in conjunction with these items.
Pergolide as primary therapy for macroprolactinomas.
Orrego JJ, Chandler WF, Barkan AL.
Department of Surgery, University of Michigan Medical Center and Department of Veterants Affairs Medical Center, Ann Arbor 48109, USA.
The objective of this study is to determine whether pergolide therapy is an effective modality for the de novo treatment of patients with macroprolactinomas. Twenty-two consecutive patients with macroprolactinomas were included in the study and followed prospectively. These included 16 men and 6 women in whom pregnancy was not of concern. Pergolide was administered once or twice a day depending on the patient's preference. Ten patients received 0.1 mg daily as a maintenance regimen and in the others the daily dose ranged from 0.05 to 0.5 mg. Eight patients reported minor but tolerable side effects. One patient had to be switched to cabergoline because of intolerable nausea. After a mean of 12 months (range, 3-36), mean PRL levels declined from 3,135 ng/ml (range, 126-31,513) to 50 ng/ml (3-573), representing a mean PRL suppression of 88% (range, 0-99). PRL levels became normal in 15 patients and decreased to 25-40 ng/ml in 3 others. The mean tumor volume shrinkage was 25% or greater in 19 patients (86%), 50% or greater in 17 patients (77%), and 75% or greater in 10 patients (45%). Visual abnormalities were reversible after pergolide therapy in all but 1 of 12 patients with initially abnormal formal visual testing. Two out of 4 premenopausal women did not normalize PRL levels and had persistent oligomenorrhea. Testosterone was low in 14 men at presentation and normalized in 3 with pergolide therapy. We conclude that pergolide is a safe, inexpensive, and generally well-tolerated dopamine agonist for the treatment of macroprolactinomas in men and women in whom pregnancy is not of concern. In these specific populations, pergolide may become the first-line therapy for treatment of macroprolactinomas.
Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
PMID: 11788013 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I know I saw one where they administered PM and Cab. in each group to determine which was better but I can't find it right now. I want to say they were equal in terms of inhibiting PRL levels but in pre-existing tumors PM almost completely got rid of the tumor. I'll try to find it and if I do I'll email you from my flickenu account.
Orrego JJ, Chandler WF, Barkan AL.
Department of Surgery, University of Michigan Medical Center and Department of Veterants Affairs Medical Center, Ann Arbor 48109, USA.
The objective of this study is to determine whether pergolide therapy is an effective modality for the de novo treatment of patients with macroprolactinomas. Twenty-two consecutive patients with macroprolactinomas were included in the study and followed prospectively. These included 16 men and 6 women in whom pregnancy was not of concern. Pergolide was administered once or twice a day depending on the patient's preference. Ten patients received 0.1 mg daily as a maintenance regimen and in the others the daily dose ranged from 0.05 to 0.5 mg. Eight patients reported minor but tolerable side effects. One patient had to be switched to cabergoline because of intolerable nausea. After a mean of 12 months (range, 3-36), mean PRL levels declined from 3,135 ng/ml (range, 126-31,513) to 50 ng/ml (3-573), representing a mean PRL suppression of 88% (range, 0-99). PRL levels became normal in 15 patients and decreased to 25-40 ng/ml in 3 others. The mean tumor volume shrinkage was 25% or greater in 19 patients (86%), 50% or greater in 17 patients (77%), and 75% or greater in 10 patients (45%). Visual abnormalities were reversible after pergolide therapy in all but 1 of 12 patients with initially abnormal formal visual testing. Two out of 4 premenopausal women did not normalize PRL levels and had persistent oligomenorrhea. Testosterone was low in 14 men at presentation and normalized in 3 with pergolide therapy. We conclude that pergolide is a safe, inexpensive, and generally well-tolerated dopamine agonist for the treatment of macroprolactinomas in men and women in whom pregnancy is not of concern. In these specific populations, pergolide may become the first-line therapy for treatment of macroprolactinomas.
Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
PMID: 11788013 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I know I saw one where they administered PM and Cab. in each group to determine which was better but I can't find it right now. I want to say they were equal in terms of inhibiting PRL levels but in pre-existing tumors PM almost completely got rid of the tumor. I'll try to find it and if I do I'll email you from my flickenu account.
Definitely interesting.I'd like to see that abstract comparing the two,and I'd also like to find some info on cost/availability.
YOU SHOULD GET GOOD RESULTS WITH A CLEAN DIET AND PROPER CARDIO. i GOT MEGA HARD AND SHREDDED WHILE ON BOTH AT WINNY 50MG ED AND THE FINA AT 75MG EOD FOR 8 WEEKS. BUT IF I HAD TO CHOOSE ONE I WOULD SAY FINA DUE TO AVAILABILITY AND PRICE PLUS THE STRENGTH SHOOTS SOARS TO NO END!! GOOD LUCK BRO!! HOPE THIS HELPS!!
tarzanusa
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Hey huck or anyone..Im finishing off a sus/dbol/deca cycle with 6 or so weeks of fina 75eod and winny 50mg ed and prop 150wk...
I have been running arimidex .5 eod...Should I keep doing the arimidex during the fina/prop/winny???
FYI: Iam doing this 6 weeks to cut up after a successful bulking phase
Thx!
I have been running arimidex .5 eod...Should I keep doing the arimidex during the fina/prop/winny???
FYI: Iam doing this 6 weeks to cut up after a successful bulking phase
Thx!
tarzanusa said:
Yes.It will keep the bloat off from the prop and keep your muscles hard like granite.
