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How long has anybody here ran winny at 50mgs per day? How many weeks?
Winny at 50mgs per day. How long?
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Bruce
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ran it for 4 months before i ever came to ef. i was following what my friend did, he was on winny depot for 2 straight years carth, i dont' care what anyone says his liver was fine just his lipids and bp were fucked up and cholesterol. as for me i was fine but luckily learned how dumb what i was doing was. we would do monday wed and friday only but still we were fine. after i did my real cycle i did winny the last 6 weeks 50mg ed and i think that is probably the longest you should really go, just saying i don't think its as toxic as some think, but my joints paid a severe price for that
i'm on week 20 right now @ 60 mg/ day
wow guys 20 weeks thats something eles ,as long as your ok great ,i have done 50mg for 6 to 8 weeks and it worked great ,thats a normal cycle you should have good results ,i did ,oh start at 25 mg for the first week then go up to 50 mg,ed ,25mg in the morning (or 2 hours be4 gym) and the other about 6 hours later ,as its life is 8 hours ,this will keep your levels high though out the day ,then i droped down to 25mg the last week or so ,good luck 
Baywatch69
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8 weeks max for me on winny. 50-75mg ED
FknKnuckleHd
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Carth said:
I've run Zambons for 15-20 wks @ 50mg per day, after that its just a waste.....the effects are way to minimal. I had no sides that I could see or notice....but that isn't saying much!
FKH
Devastation said:
Tabs or Injection? What brand? And what have you noticed so far? What goods and ESPECIALY what bad things have you noticed? Have you gotten yourself checked out?
FknKnuckleHd said:
Did you inject or drink? What else did you use with it? What good and bad things did you notice? Any bloodwork done? Did your joints hurt?
I was thinking of running a cutting cycle like this for next summer. From April 1st all the way until September 1st.
Test Cyp 250mgs per week
EQ 600mgs per week
Winny Oral 50mgs per day
Proviron 50mgs per day
GH 4ius per day
My main concern is the winny. Is running winny at 50mgs per day orally for 5 months crazy?! And stupid!?
Test Cyp 250mgs per week
EQ 600mgs per week
Winny Oral 50mgs per day
Proviron 50mgs per day
GH 4ius per day
My main concern is the winny. Is running winny at 50mgs per day orally for 5 months crazy?! And stupid!?
Carth said:
powder i converted to oral. i'm also on 500mg eq week, and 1g test e / week. stripped quite a bit of bf, i haven't measured how much because i'm not a bb, but strength is still going up even on week 20. i have almost 10 weeks left on this cycle then i'm done for a short while
i'm not going to get a check up from the doc until late august
Bruce
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carth unreal strength gains. barely any weight gain, maybe 4 lbs. plus i was a moron during my 4 month run. when i did it for real with deca great strength increase it helped with progesterone, and the pumps on winny are fucking crazy i don't use dbol but i don't see how these pumps could be rivaled. the only thing about winny is the joint pain or i would only use it
yes joint pain is a problem i'm dealing with right now. if it gets real bad i do a few days of abombs and creatine along with MSM w/ glucosamine. one or all of them seems to help tremendously when it is unbearable
Bruce
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yep glucosamine helps but 4 months man, it hurt to put my elbow down on the table and lean over. i''m on tbol right now, only in day 6 but my libido is like i'm on test, i'm a little tighter, and we'll see how the gains are today with my workout, if it keeps up like this tbol will replace winny in my cycles, though anavar at 75mg is what i wanna do when i can afford it
Joint pain? Whats with this joint pain shit I keep hearing about? Usually when I'm on winny. I take it oral tabs. And for as long as 9 weeks. And I never get any joint pains. The only joint pains I feel is in my knees. But then again, I have ALWAYS had bad knees since I was in my early teens.
So, in regards to what I said earlier. Do you bros think a cutting cycle like this one for about 5 months is fucking crazy!?
Test Cyp 250mgs per week
EQ 600mgs per week
Winny Oral 50mgs per day
Proviron 50mgs per day
GH 4ius per day
Remember! Not so much everything else. But for running Winny at 50mgs per day for that long!
So, in regards to what I said earlier. Do you bros think a cutting cycle like this one for about 5 months is fucking crazy!?
Test Cyp 250mgs per week
EQ 600mgs per week
Winny Oral 50mgs per day
Proviron 50mgs per day
GH 4ius per day
Remember! Not so much everything else. But for running Winny at 50mgs per day for that long!
buffalo said:
What else did you run with it?
I'm about to rehash something ok guys?
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS, the decision is up to you.
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS, the decision is up to you.
