winny and gyno

[FSUGeneticFreak]

can gyno be related to taking winstral. because it is not testosterone based substance, can it have anything to do with raising estrogen levels.
thanks

 

[Zyglamail]

it does not aromatize into ER and competes for PR receptors so gyno should not occur on winny only. However, anytime you end a cycle that disrupts your hpta and shuts down natural test production(which winny will do) you end up in a state of having no/low test and yet having your normal estrogen levels and this imbalace can result in whats referred to as "rebound" gyno. Best bet is to follow cycles that disrupt natural test with clomid to get your hpta in balance quicker and it helps fight estrogen, in turn also makes keeping your gains more likely.

 

[bbigman2000]

it does not aromatize into ER and competes for PR receptors so gyno should not occur on winny only. However, anytime you end a cycle that disrupts your hpta and shuts down natural test production(which winny will do) you end up in a state of having no/low test and yet having your normal estrogen levels and this imbalace can result in whats referred to as "rebound" gyno. Best bet is to follow cycles that disrupt natural test with clomid to get your hpta in balance quicker and it helps fight estrogen, in turn also makes keeping your gains more likely.

yep good advice from my bro, couldnt have said it better.

 

[Big Johnson]

it does not aromatize into ER and competes for PR receptors so gyno should not occur on winny only. However, anytime you end a cycle that disrupts your hpta and shuts down natural test production(which winny will do) you end up in a state of having no/low test and yet having your normal estrogen levels and this imbalace can result in whats referred to as "rebound" gyno. Best bet is to follow cycles that disrupt natural test with clomid to get your hpta in balance quicker and it helps fight estrogen, in turn also makes keeping your gains more likely.

Sorry, but this is B.S.

First, gyno is caused by female hormones atagonizing the receptors in breast tissue, something both men and women have. Winstrol does not antagonize those receptors, but it does compete for them without activating them. Its actually a progesterone blocker.

Second, while winstrol does shut down you natural test levels, this does not lead to an imbalance of female to male hormones. Female hormones are produced from male hormones by aromatization. Therefore, if your natural test levels are shut down, no female hormones are being produced, or at least very little. Winstrol does not aromatize.

So, no, winny will not give you gyno and may actually shrink existing gyno with the proper diet.

Peace

 

[Zyglamail]

I am not going to argue symantecs Big Johnson, but you basically reiterated everything I said with the exception of the "rebound". In that regard, I was under the impression our bodies produced small amounts of ER even in the absence of natural test. If I was mistaken(which is definatly a possibility) then thanks for setting the record straight.

I am curious though, you stated the estrogen is caused by aromitization(ie the Aromatase enzyme removing the ester). I was under the impression our natural test did not have an ester. If thats the case even out natural test would not cause aromitization would it?

 

[Big Johnson]

I am curious though, you stated the estrogen is caused by aromitization(ie the Aromatase enzyme removing the ester). I was under the impression our natural test did not have an ester. If thats the case even out natural test would not cause aromitization would it?

Natural test is not produced with an ester, bro. Aromatase does not remove esters, it changes the structure of the molecule from one that actives ARs to one that activates ERs (PRs).

This change can't happen until the ester is removed from the molecule. This is why test suspension and methyl test have so many sides. Your body aromatizes them so quickly that you are left with a huge estrogen spike, leading to estrogen related sides.

Other substances, such as decca and anadrol, can activate ERs (PRs) while at the same time activating ARs. But, getting back to my point, aromatase cannot convert test into estrogen without test.

 

[JaredK]

This thread is a bit confusing for me since I did a cycle of Winstrol Depot 7 years ago and after a couple of weeks being off, developed a small case of gyno. This was a first and last cycle, just to experiment when I was younger, with a shot every other day, pyramiding up to 3cc and then back down over a period of 8 weeks or so. I know, totally pussy, but the resources like this board weren't around then and we were all just fumbling along. It shrank over time but has sporadically flared up in one nipple or the other over the years.

Maybe my body chemistry is totally fucked, but some people will probably develop gyno from just looking at gear! I haven't seen any doc who has ever been knowledgable enough about this to explain it, they just shrug it off.

So I would say that I am living proof that gyno can occur from just about any type of gear if your damn body chemistry is as sensitive to hormonal changes as mine seems to be.

 

[Big Johnson]

I don't understand it, either. Theoretically, this shouldn't have happened.

 

[FSUGeneticFreak]

thank you everyone for the input. the reason for me writing however is because after one cycle i noticed a small case of gyno in my right nipple, a year later i took another and this made the situation a little worse. im asking if anyone has any advice for what to do. if what big johnson says is right and taking another cycle with the right diet would help, than i would definitely be willing to do that. thanks for all the comments and let me know if anyone has any suggestions