Why would anyone choose A-Bombs over Dbol??

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

Can someone explain this to me? I just see no point why anyone would want to take a-bombs if they have the option to get dbol. I personally cant think of one benefit over dbol that anadrol has? My buddy just picked up a bunch of a-50s for his kickstart, and I cant fathom why he or anyone wouldnt choose dbol?

I would choose dbol hands down anyday of the week. I have never done drol and never will. Mg for mg nothing beats dbol, nothing... period! THose that have used good dbol will surely agree with this. It is the king of all steroids.

First off you need to use double the dosage of dbol to get the same effect. Starting doses for a-bombs is 50mgs. Starting dosages for dbol are as low as 15-20mgs. Think about it what would grow from more 100 mgs of dbol or 100 mgs of a-drol? Dbol for sure, the only thing is that noone (majority of sane people) uses dbol at these dosages. And you would be taking 20 pills a day where a-drol you would take 2.

Go with dbol and you can grow the same on half the dosage, try 20-30mgs/day. If you are worried about bloat take some liquedex. Anadrol, on the other hand is not made in 5mg tabs like dbol, because it has a terrible affinity for receptor sites so it's made into a 50 mg tablet, which also inflicts considerable stress to your liver. As soon as you go over 50mgs with any 17-alkylated susbstance, your liver really starts to tale a beating. With dbol you can still make great gains without using 50 or 100mgs. It is also very anti-catabolic, which is why everyone gains off of it. Dbol + as much protien as you can stuff in your face will make even the most skinniest true ectomorphs grow.

Also, if you use Anadrol with aromatising drugs, it is notorious for worsening "estrogenic" symptoms, possibly by altering estrogen metabolism, or by upregulating aromatase. High doses of test and drol could make your worst "roid nightmares" come to life. My buddy is just sold on using it, because he says "it is so potent". Well sure it is ... put not as potent as dbol. It will give you more potent sides thats for sure. You have to compare them mg for mg. Anyways, he has his mind made up so ... I will let him learn the hard way. He is using it for 5 weeks at 100mgs/day with Sustanon.

Please .. if anyone is considering abombs over dbol, give it a second thought. It has been and still is the proven king of all steroids ever since it was developed back in the 50s. Just my humble opinion. Im just pissed that my buddy wont listen to me I guess. Had to vent!

Take Care,
Mavy

SpeedFreak5 · Feb 1, 2004

Interesting!

alltraps · Feb 1, 2004

do anadrol just once, and you wont ask this question again.

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

I was waiting for the drol lovers to post up ... hahaha. It wont happen bro. If drol was the last roid available to me, I would rather do creatine than it. I am pretty anti-tren as well, and I think that I would do tren before it. Either way, I will probably never do them. I am not going to put my health at risk just to "compare" them. I just see no reason to do these when there are other alternatives out there.

Alltraps, what did a-bombs do that was so great for you that dbol couldnt do at half the dose?

gator_mclusky · Feb 1, 2004

Anadrol is THE only AAS directly linked to liver cancer......how much and how long it wuld take for this to happen is a whole nother story....who knows!

GAtor

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

I was waiting for the drol lovers to post up ... hahaha. It wont happen bro. If drol was the last roid available to me, I would rather do creatine than it. I am pretty anti-tren as well, and I think that I would do tren before it. Either way, I will probably never do them. I am not going to put my health at risk just to "compare" them. I just see no reason to do these when there are other alternatives out there that are MORE effective and safer.

Alltraps, what did a-bombs do that was so great for you that dbol couldnt do at half the dose?

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

gator_mclusky said:
Anadrol is THE only AAS directly linked to liver cancer......how much and how long it wuld take for this to happen is a whole nother story....who knows!

GAtor

Wow ... I never heard that one before. Thats definately a scary thought.

I am by no means saying that dbol is a mild drug., in fact I am saying the opposite ... that mg for mg, it is THE most potent of all steroids. But once you find a safe dosage that works for you, it will build mass like no other. The key is to find a threshold that works for you. Some people grow great off of 15mg. You will never hear of anyone taking drol dosages in the 20s or even 30mgs, 90% of the time 50mgs is the minimum.

I garantee that my buddy will turn into a fat bloated a-bomb big with his 5wk a-bomb 100mgs/day kickstart, as many others do. Not to mention the beating his liver is going to take, and other possible sides that will more than likely occur.

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

Think of it this way ... would you rather drink 20 lower % alc. volume beer to equal the same as 6 higher % alc. beer? 6 are easier on your liver, wouldnt bloat you as much, wont be as hungover. Kind of a silly example, but you get my drift of how the lower dosages of the more potent would be easier on you.

gilly6993 · Feb 1, 2004

for a contest drol is a great dieting drug.....

muscleup · Feb 1, 2004

gilly6993 said:
for a contest drol is a great dieting drug.....

why would you prefer it over d-bol for dieting ?...Just curious, I have some Unimeds that I have not even used yet...and was thinking about saving them for deiting..

gilly6993 · Feb 1, 2004

I feel it works (at least for me) better than dbol in a calorie deficient diet....

n1tro · Feb 1, 2004

Because drol is stronger!

just fuckin with ya Mavy....

Triple J · Feb 1, 2004

abombs do not aromitize, unlike dbol which produce a nasty methylated estrogen metabolite

i believe abombs stimulate rbc's more, thus will produce more hardness and vascularity

agreed abombs could sensitize estrogen receptors through progesterone activity, increasing the potential for gyno development

n1tro · Feb 1, 2004

Triple 3 I have also heard of guys saying they feel alot harder when doing drol then dbol...Don't know for sure if it's true but possibly when the bloat goes away the muscles developed are more dense from drol.

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

Before anyone asks this on this thread... this was from the other one. Kinda 2 going at once... hehehe

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Originally posted by poantrex

Although I agree that Dbol is better than drol, why would you compare two different chemicals in terms of dosages? Doesn't make any sense since they're different compounds.
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Why? Because they are both similar in ways like that they do not bind well to the androgen receptor, and most of the anabolism they provide is via non-AR-mediated effects.

Anadrol does give a lot of the same benefits as Dianabol, but at higher dosages and with more sides. It will cause nipple soreness and invite gynecomastia even in the presence of high dose antiestrogens, where they would work much better with low dose dbol at combating sides.

Another reason why they are compared... is because people usually do either one or the other. And they are usually used for the same reasons. E.g. They will use one or the other as part of a mass building stack, or ... they will use on or the other as a kickstarter for cycles with longer acting injects for example. This is why there are somewhat placed in the same "group" with one another as very strong orals, ... for the reasons they are used (the examples like the ones I mentioned).

Mavy

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concordsize · Feb 1, 2004

Im on a50now for my contest prep. I am a dbol freak while bulking but for some reason I lean for a abombs while dieting. Dont ask me why.

E

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

Triple J said:
abombs do not aromitize, unlike dbol which produce a nasty methylated estrogen metabolite

i believe abombs stimulate rbc's more, thus will produce more hardness and vascularity

agreed abombs could sensitize estrogen receptors through progesterone activity, increasing the potential for gyno development

No way Nitro!

I know Triple ... Anadrol does not convert to estrogen, so antiestrogens are not really required if no aromatizable AAS are being used. But when you use these with aromatizing steroids, A-bombs are famous for making "estrogenic" symptoms much worse! This is by producing progestegone symptoms that everyone mistakes for being estrogenic related, or by changing estrogen metabolism. Dbol has its sides too, but you can "get away" with them or block them much easier than Anadrol. Its much easier on your body and your liver.

Also, I garantee you that upon discontinuing use .... no other anabolic or androgenic drug causes such a fast and drastic loss in strength and mass as A-Bombs-50 do.

Mavy

Mavy · Feb 1, 2004

Not to mention that its been said that user experience a feeling of "general indisposition" with the consumption of Anadrol .... which is the complete oposite of Dbol which offers a "sense of well-being".

Mavy

Little Rage · Feb 1, 2004

my strength gains are greater with drol. I also hold very little water on drol, which means no need for liquidex, so a cheaper cycle. And drol is helping me lean up a lot more than i did with dbol.

also my sex drive has increased while using it.

Laser0001 · Feb 1, 2004

In the U.S. you can get a prescription for Anadrol, but not for Dianabol.

satchboogie · Feb 1, 2004

different strokes for different folks...

i've used anapolans and loved em!
but 100mg a day was the desired dose.

on dbols, 40-50mg a day acheives the same results (more or less).

poantrex · Feb 1, 2004

Anadrol wouldn't be so bad if it do such a bad number on my mood....I thought tren was bad...but give me 100mg of drol a day and i'm a different person, for the worse.

ManOfArms · Feb 1, 2004

"Take Anadrol and gain 40 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks, then drop dead." (Cambridge Ergogenic Institute, Utlimate Steriod Manual), (World of Anabolic Review 1996). :lmao:

alltraps · Feb 1, 2004

i have used very high doses af dbol, 140mg a day. compared with 100mg of anadrol.... more water from dbol, more strenght, and i mean a lot more strenght gain from anadrol. and this whole thing about feeling shitty on anadrol is bull shit. i have read that in some books, but have yet to hear it from actual users.

alltraps · Feb 1, 2004

and mavy, just curious, how can you be so biased against something unless you tried it?

you say the health risk is an issue? so is dbol and ALL the other AAS. you have to take precausions. i seriously doubt the heath risks are that much worse with drol.

needsize · Feb 2, 2004

what has alltraps done that was so great on anadrol, hows gaining around 35lbs in 4 weeks on his current cycle, and you can tell from his avatar that hes already very advanced.

I've done both, and while dbol is my favourite drug, I got great results on my last cycle with drol. On a physique that is already very advanced, i went from 226lbs to 249lbs, then down to about 240 when I dropped the drol. So I kept 14lbs which is a whole lot of weight on my physique. Plus my strength was nuts, best gains I've ever made, including on fina

eviction · Feb 2, 2004

needsize said:
what has alltraps done that was so great on anadrol, hows gaining around 35lbs in 4 weeks on his current cycle, and you can tell from his avatar that hes already very advanced.

I've done both, and while dbol is my favourite drug, I got great results on my last cycle with drol. On a physique that is already very advanced, i went from 226lbs to 249lbs, then down to about 240 when I dropped the drol. So I kept 14lbs which is a whole lot of weight on my physique. Plus my strength was nuts, best gains I've ever made, including on fina

sounds like good gains, but how much of that 35lbs is actual muscle tissue gains and not water retention, and what is being stacked with the drol to assist in solidifying it

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

ManOfArms said:
"Take Anadrol and gain 40 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks, then drop dead." (Cambridge Ergogenic Institute, Utlimate Steriod Manual), (World of Anabolic Review 1996).

Thats damn right creepy bro.

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

alltraps said:
i have used very high doses af dbol, 140mg a day. compared with 100mg of anadrol.... more water from dbol, more strenght, and i mean a lot more strenght gain from anadrol.

Bro ... i am not saying that you wont gain off of anadrol, of course you will .. .I am trying to state that mg for mg, dbol is much more effective. Would you experince more sides from dbol using it at anadrol dosages? Of course you would ... thats because it is MORE POTENT! Thats what I am trying to get across here ... not that dbol is mild compared to drol. Didnt you already run into touble using these high dose cycles, and shut yourself down permanantly?

Here is your quote from that thread of yours I remember reading. The high doses of drol may be doing more damage than you think.

alltraps said:
thats exactly why i posted this. people have to realize the dangers of these drugs. its not all fun and games when you are 27 y/o and might have to be on HRT for the rest of your life.

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

alltraps said:
and this whole thing about feeling shitty on anadrol is bull shit.

Why do you say that this is bullshit .... because it did not happen to you?? There is actually reason behind this, not like EQ and anxiety for example which has no real logical explanation.

The increased aggressiveness is caused by the resulting high level of androgen and can really occur bad when large quantities of test are taken simultaneously with the Anadrol.

The state of well-being experienced on dbol is due to the fact that it sets itself in a positive nitrogen balance which in turn, presents an improved sense of well-being.

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

alltraps said:
i have read that in some books, but have yet to hear it from actual users.

By the way Bro ... look 2 posts up from your post at poantrex's post.

- An "actual users" response.

Again, because you dont experience it doesnt mean it dosent happen. I have heard this from many users.

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

needsize said:
what has alltraps done that was so great on anadrol, hows gaining around 35lbs in 4 weeks on his current cycle, and you can tell from his avatar that hes already very advanced.

Thats good for you and alltraps adding all that mass in that short of time. But ... do you really think that its possible to add 35lbs to your advances physiques in 4 weeks? Especially for someone who has already done around 9 cycles?

I really hope that you are running something else longer than the drol, to solidify it up, or I think that you would be very dissapointed to see how much of that mass would be left on the advanced physique after the drol is all said and done. Like I said earlier ... no other sterroid causes such a fast and dramatic loss in strength and mass as Anadrol 50 does. Its one extreme to the other.

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

needsize said:
I've done both, and while dbol is my favourite drug, I got great results on my last cycle with drol. On a physique that is already very advanced, i went from 226lbs to 249lbs, then down to about 240 when I dropped the drol. So I kept 14lbs which is a whole lot of weight on my physique. Plus my strength was nuts, best gains I've ever made, including on fina

That sounds great needsize, but to attest all these gains to the anadrol is rediculous. What were you running with it??? Test? GH? EQ? im sure a good mix contributed to this gain in mass and more importantly the ability to hold it.

With dbol, you will loose some water weight, but nearly as much as drol. Drol fills you with water ... even your joints will swell with water.

Dbol is not as much of an up or down. It does a job and does it well. Mg for mg, nothing will promotes true anabolism like dbol will, nor will it have such a great effect on protein metabolism. The effects of Dbol promotes protien synthesis, so obviously it supports the buildup of protien.... much better than drol.

Here is a blurb from AR.

"Dianabol has a very strong anabolic and androgenic effect which manifests itself in an enormous buildup of strength and muscle mass in its users. Dianabol is simply a "mass steroid" which works quickly and reliably. A weight gain of 2 - 4 pounds per week in the first six weeks is normal with Dianabol. The additional body weight consists of a true increase in tissue (hyper-trophy of muscle fibers)"

Sure ... its adding water also, but building muscle better than anything too. So ... when all is said and done you will end up with more actual muscle tissue.

Mavy · Feb 2, 2004

Then there is the whole liver issue. Most users will see certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately one week! Thats fast.

Another blurb for you...
I just read also where drol was the only steroid linked to liver
cancer.

"Longer intake of Anadrol and/or higher doses can cause a yellow discoloration of fingernails, eyes, or skin Jaundice). This is because oxymetholone induces an increase of biliburin in the liver, producing a bile pigment, which causes the yellow discoloring of the skin. The liver enzyme gamma-GT also reacts sensitively to the oxymetholone, causing it to elevate. If high dosages of Anadrol 50 are taken over a long period, there is an increased risk that the described liver changes could end up damaging the liver. During the intake of Anadrol 50, the liver values, GOT, GPT, bilirubin, gamma--GT and alkaline phosphatase (AP), as well as the LDH/HBDH quotient, should always be checked by a competent physician. Anadrol 50 (representing all oxymetholone containing steroid products) is the only anabolic/androgenic steroids, which was linked with liver cancer."

Jeez ... i just had the longest argument with my buddy today, now you guys. I guess that some people like it while others will stay clear. Mg for mg, dbol will build muscle fiber much better than drol ... or anything for that matter. I have not done drol, nor do I intend do, but I have done enough research and reading to know that I will choose dbol over it every time.

Going to bed!
Mavy

needsize · Feb 2, 2004

It all boils down to how an individual responds to a drug, to make a blanket statement like dbol builds muscle fibre better than dbol is not accurate. It may for some but not all.
I was running it with deca/eq/enth and a low dose of gh. None of those would have had enough time to build up stable enough levels in my blood to be responsible for that growth. I know my body well enough at this point to know that what I was left with when I dropped the anadrol was solid gains.
I'm glad you have done your research and have made some decision for yourself, but much of what you are saying is simply not true. I still prefer dbol, and am running it on my upcoming cycle, but I will certainly run anadrol again in the future. If anything, the strength gains alone warrant it

alltraps · Feb 2, 2004

Mavy said:
Bro ... i am not saying that you wont gain off of anadrol, of course you will .. .I am trying to state that mg for mg, dbol is much more effective. Would you experince more sides from dbol using it at anadrol dosages? Of course you would ... thats because it is MORE POTENT! Thats what I am trying to get across here ... not that dbol is mild compared to drol. Didnt you already run into touble using these high dose cycles, and shut yourself down permanantly?

Here is your quote from that thread of yours I remember reading. The high doses of drol may be doing more damage than you think.

i posted that quote about being shut down hard to warm people about long cycles, not high doses.

all i was asking you is why you are so against it if you havent tried it? im not trying to get into it with you., just wondering. i may be a little more adventurous than most on here, so i will try anything once. so i can see for myself what its like and decide whether its worth doing again. if you listen to everything everyone one else says on these boards....then you:
cant drink winny
site injections work wonders
you have to run at least a gram of test too look like brad pit
and all the other shit people post.

dont be so against something untill you try it. im sure 3 weeks of anadrol wont kill you!

peace

NFG123 · Feb 2, 2004

Some drugs are more "mild" with drol than others. Drol seems always to be harsh: for example, never would anyone ever stack it with Deca (if they are prone to progestin bitch tits).

Drol is also more of a drug of the past. Its use is much less than what it used to be.

NFG

concordsize · Feb 2, 2004

another reason is because you feel a50 in about 3 days where dbol takes about 10.

E

geoboy · Feb 3, 2004

Mavy said:
........... (Dbol) is also very anti-catabolic, which is why everyone gains off of it. Dbol + as much protien as you can stuff in your face will make even the most skinniest true ectomorphs grow.

AMEN TO THAT! that's me, & my story in a nutshell.

Also, as to the liver dangers, I did 6 weeks at 30 mg ED with ZERO change in ast/alt.

mrflexdiesel · Feb 3, 2004

I'd go with Anadrol over Dbol anyday!

Mavy · Feb 3, 2004

needsize said:
to make a blanket statement like dbol builds muscle fibre better than dbol is not accurate.

Your changing what I said bro. MG FOR MG dbol will build muscle fiber better than drol. THAT is NOT a blanket statement, and THAT IS accurate!

Mavy · Feb 3, 2004

alltraps said:
i posted that quote about being shut down hard to warm people about long cycles, not high doses.

Maybe you should have been warning about high dosages as well bro? Just a thought. Maybe that is partially some of the reason why you are shut down so hard as well, and not just the length of the cycles?

alltraps said:
all i was asking you is why you are so against it if you havent tried it? im not trying to get into it with you., just wondering. i may be a little more adventurous than most on here, so i will try anything once. so i can see for myself what its like and decide whether its worth doing again. if you listen to everything everyone one else says on these boards....then you:
cant drink winny
site injections work wonders
you have to run at least a gram of test too look like brad pit
and all the other shit people post.

I am not trying to get into it with you either bro. Like I say ... maybe I am not as adventurous as you, but ... at the same time, I dont want to use my own body for an experiment on something that I have researched that looks bad. Not worth it in my opinion. Also, maybe because I am not so adventurous, I have not been shut down hard yet from any cycle. And dont plan to either.

Another thing bro ... I know enough not to listen to everything people on these boards say, I have been on them for a long time. I base my opinions off of sceintific studies, as well as user exeriences.

alltraps said:
dont be so against something untill you try it. im sure 3 weeks of anadrol wont kill you!

I'm sure it wont, ... but MG for MG dbol will do it better! ... and i wont have to take 100mgs of it.

Mavy

Mavy · Feb 3, 2004

Re: Re: Why would anyone choose A-Bombs over Dbol??

geoboy said:
AMEN TO THAT! that's me, & my story in a nutshell.

Also, as to the liver dangers, I did 6 weeks at 30 mg ED with ZERO change in ast/alt.

Thats pretty impressive bro. Dbol is not good for your liver either, thats why I am surprised, but ya ... its nowhere near as harmfull as anadrol which is unfortunately the most harmful oral steroid. Like I mentioned earlier ... most users can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately one week! Not cool!

needsize · Feb 3, 2004

Re: Re: Re: Why would anyone choose A-Bombs over Dbol??

Mavy said:
Thats pretty impressive bro. Dbol is not good for your liver either, thats why I am surprised, but ya ... its nowhere near as harmfull as anadrol which is unfortunately the most harmful oral steroid. Like I mentioned earlier ... most users can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately one week! Not cool!

actually I believe halo is more harmful to the liver than anadrol. My cycle last year I ran 100mg of drol a day for 4 weeks, and when I had my blood tested everything was still in the normal range

alltraps · Feb 3, 2004

Mavy said:
Also, maybe because I am not so adventurous, I have not been shut down hard yet from any cycle. And dont plan to either.

Mavy

you know what, that sounds condesending towards me! you know very little about me, and to imply that i am shut down for life because of anadrol is plain ridiculous. after all, i got tested 5 weeks after a 20 week cycle. do an 8 week one and get tested 5 weeks after and then come here and tell me how you did.

you also say that yuo dont want to use your own body for experiments? you make it sound like drol came out last week by some shady new UG lab. this shit has been around for years! there are tons of users, and i am sorry to tell you this, but 50mg of anadrol will blow 50mg of dbol out of the water.

needsize · Feb 3, 2004

mavy, your attitude towards anyone not agreeing with you really is pretty condescending

Mavy · Feb 4, 2004

alltraps said:
you know what, that sounds condesending towards me! you know very little about me, and to imply that i am shut down for life because of anadrol is plain ridiculous. after all, i got tested 5 weeks after a 20 week cycle. do an 8 week one and get tested 5 weeks after and then come here and tell me how you did.

you also say that yuo dont want to use your own body for experiments? you make it sound like drol came out last week by some shady new UG lab. this shit has been around for years! there are tons of users, and i am sorry to tell you this, but 50mg of anadrol will blow 50mg of dbol out of the water.

Needsize and alltraps, before you two start double teaming me here ... I am not trying to sound condenscending. At all! It just seems that this thread has gotten twisted, and my words have been changed around by you guys from the intention of the whole thread.

Alltraps, you are right, I do not know you, and I am not trying make this a personal attack against you.

i.e.

alltraps said:
and to imply that i am shut down for life because of anadrol is plain ridiculous.

Again bro .. you took this as a personal attack. I never stated that AT ALL. This seems to be in your mind. I SUGGESTED that MAYBE high dosages of drol could have attributed to the shut down you had experienced, and not just the length of the cycles.

"Maybe that is partially some of the reason why you are shut down so hard as well, and not just the length of the cycles?"

See bro its a suggestion. Almost everyone of my threads got twisted somehow or another into "you dont know because you havent tried it", or taken as personal attacks.

I tried to post solid facts about the 2 drugs on this thread vs ... "just try it once and you will know" type of scenarious.

Also, I know that drol has been around for years bro, I am not saying it is some new magical drug (again I dont know where you are coming up with this). Its been around for quite some time. Dbol has been around longer than drol, and has proven itself time and time again as the king muscle builder.

50mg of drol will blow dbol out of the water eh??? Drol just dosent support the buildup of protien as well as dbol. And when all is said and done, I honestly believe that dbol will leave you with more of a true increase in tissue (hyper-trophy of muscle fibers), then drol. Remember that by saying this, you are saying that mg for mg drol blows dbol out of the water, so you are also saying that 100mgs of drol blows 100mgs of dbol out water, 150 drols would blow 150 dbols out of the water. Think about it bro, someone could actually tolerate 150mgs of drol per day. If a person is taking 150mgs of dbol/day, they are more than likely going to run into some serious issues. I get dbol pumps at 25mgs/day, and some people as low as 15mgs/day.

If you want to think that anadrol MG for MG,... blows dbol out of the water, ... then do you know what ... go ahead and think that. Each is entitled to their opinion and I personaly disagree with you. Who knows though, maybe you are right, and I wont know until I try it, but as it stands right now, drol does not appear to offer anything for me that dbol can not do better.

Mavy

jubei · Feb 4, 2004

Alltraps, you seriously believe that 50mg of anadrol is signifigantly stronger in terms of strength/muslce gain than 50mg of dbol?

alltraps · Feb 4, 2004

jubei said:
Alltraps, you seriously believe that 50mg of anadrol is signifigantly stronger in terms of strength/muslce gain than 50mg of dbol?

i dont believe that, i know that! i have done it myself many times, and for me, YES, it blows dbol out of the water.

mavy: if you dont think someone could tolerate 150mg of dbol per day, do a search for retabolil. he did more then that, and had no problems.

ps. im done with this thread. i am realy not sure why you posted this thread, when you had no intention of listening to any actual real life feedback. you have already made up your mind that dbol is king and anadrol sucks.

Mavy · Feb 4, 2004

alltraps said:
i dont believe that, i know that! i have done it myself many times, and for me, YES, it blows dbol out of the water.

mavy: if you dont think someone could tolerate 150mg of dbol per day, do a search for retabolil. he did more then that, and had no problems.

ps. im done with this thread. i am realy not sure why you posted this thread, when you had no intention of listening to any actual real life feedback. you have already made up your mind that dbol is king and anadrol sucks.

Christ bro, here we go again. Stop twisting the things I say around... please. I never said that no one could tolerate 150mgs of dbol. I said that someone could run into problems by doing it at that dosage.

"If a person is taking 150mgs of dbol/day, they are more than likely going to run into some serious issues"

Lets stop going through this, if you are going to keep twisting my threads. I know retabolil and have read many of his posts before. And whether you think so or not, that is not a standard dosage of dbol. It is considered high.

hahaha ... Jesus .... I never said that drol sucks bro! (I am starting to wonder if you are reading another thread?? wtf?). I have always agreed that it is a very powerful and very harsh drug. For the hundredth time, I am stating that there is nothing that would make me think that anadrol could offer anything for me that mg for mg dbol cant do better, and at a safer dosage. If somehow you translate this into dbol rocks and drol sucks ... then agian, go ahead and think this. wtf?

Read any of my threads that I have ever posted., I defintely listen to users experiences, especially when they have good information suporting it. Again, I will form my opinion from both people experiences and facts. And i'm sorry, ... but you stating from experience that mg for mg drol "blows dbol out of the water", and needsize running 100mgs of a-50s for 4 weeks and not having any change in his liver values, ... is NOT enough to sell me on it, or convince me its better. Sorry.

Done!

supertech69 · Feb 4, 2004

Well I'm not sure about all these other reasons but, I am strongly concidering trying abombs with my next cycle instead of d-bol. I have kicked every cycle off I've ever done with d-bol but, I don't think I can handle the crippling back pump I get from d-bol anymore. I heard a few people say that they don't get that back pump form drol so, that is my reason for wanting to try it. And if it works, that'll be my #1 reason for sticking with it.

jubei · Feb 4, 2004

Alltraps, why are you taking everything as a personal attack?

needsize · Feb 4, 2004

jubei said:
Alltraps, you seriously believe that 50mg of anadrol is signifigantly stronger in terms of strength/muslce gain than 50mg of dbol?

like I said earlier, it depends on the individual and how they respond to a particular drug.
I'll use myself as an example. Per mg, test is supposed to be a strong drug, but on its own I can run 2 grams at a time, and not gain anything as I dont respond well to it.
I've seen people that dont respond that well to dbol, blow up on small doses of anadrol
So the point I was trying to make is that you cannot make blanket statements as to how dbol is stronger than anadrol, as it varies between individuals

jubei · Feb 4, 2004

You can run 2 grams of test a week and not gain? You can't be serious man.

needsize · Feb 4, 2004

jubei said:
You can run 2 grams of test a week and not gain? You can't be serious man.

completely serious, that was eating 5000 + calories a day, eating over 500 grams of protein a day, and I didnt gain squat. This time I cut the test in half, but added in other stuff instead, and have made awesome gains. And the fact that there are 100s of people following my training approach makes it obvious that training had nothing to do with it
Thats why I say that the blanket statements are not accurate, everyone responds differently to different drugs

Mavy · Feb 4, 2004

jubei said:
You can run 2 grams of test a week and not gain? You can't be serious man.

You see this is the kinda thing that I am talking about. I have no reason not to believe you needsize, that is just very shocking. And ... its also quite unfortunate for you that you have to go over 2 grams of test for it to work. That would really suck! I almost wonder if its the brand that always use. Try using 2grams of karachi sust, ... if you dont respond to 2 grams of that, then thats a real shocker. It also seems like you have a super human liver that dosent get effected by a-50s at 100mgs/day either, talk about being a non-responder for both the good and bad (liver values, and test dosage).

needsize, I agree somewhat with what you are saying that everyone respondes differently, but this is only to a certain degree. Potentcy of a drug does play a role. If 1 person drinks 500mls of beer, and the other drinks 500mls of tequila, the person drinking the tequila in 90% of the time should be more wasted. Why ... because of a higher alchohol content, more potent ml for ml. Most people would need to drink more beer to feel the same effect. Will some people get more wasted off the 500ml of beer? Sure maybe, its possible I guess. Sure people respond differently to different drugs, but comparing the potency of one drug to another is not a blanket statement.

Mavy

needsize · Feb 4, 2004

Mavy said:
You see this is the kinda thing that I am talking about. I have no reason not to believe you needsize, that is just very shocking. And ... its also quite unfortunate for you that you have to go over 2 grams of test for it to work. That would really suck! I almost wonder if its the brand that always use. Try using 2grams of karachi sust, ... if you dont respond to 2 grams of that, then thats a real shocker. It also seems like you have a super human liver that dosent get effected by a-50s at 100mgs/day either, talk about being a non-responder for both the good and bad (liver values, and test dosage).

needsize, I agree somewhat with what you are saying that everyone respondes differently, but this is only to a certain degree. Potentcy of a drug does play a role. If 1 person drinks 500mls of beer, and the other drinks 500mls of tequila, the person drinking the tequila in 90% of the time should be more wasted. Why ... because of a higher alchohol content, more potent ml for ml. Most people would need to drink more beer to feel the same effect. Will some people get more wasted off the 500ml of beer? Sure maybe, its possible I guess. Sure people respond differently to different drugs, but comparing the potency of one drug to another is not a blanket statement.

Mavy

I knew the brand I was using was going to come in; the first 7 weeks of that cycle were with ICNs, so the brand had nothing to do with it. But you missed my point, I just dont respond to test. This cycle is a total of 1800mg, 500 each of eq and deca, 800mg of test; which is a very mild cycle for a guy my size, and I made great gains
And super human liver has nothing to do with it. go to a nursing web site and see how anadrol is prescribed, generally someone my size would be prescribed around 200mg a day, for at least 6 months, so 4-6 weeks is not going to cause any significat amount of damage

BigAndy69 · Feb 4, 2004

dbol is stronger mg for mg... That's a fact...

needsize · Feb 4, 2004

if dbol is stronger per mg, and its a fact, does anyone have any studies they can post a link to so that I can see scientific proof?

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Needsize, don't ask for scientific proof when you say that you got no results from 2 grams of test/week. I will bet that this is the only time in the history of AAS that this has ever happened.

Mavy · Feb 5, 2004

needsize said:
I knew the brand I was using was going to come in; the first 7 weeks of that cycle were with ICNs, so the brand had nothing to do with it. But you missed my point, I just dont respond to test. This cycle is a total of 1800mg, 500 each of eq and deca, 800mg of test; which is a very mild cycle for a guy my size, and I made great gains
And super human liver has nothing to do with it. go to a nursing web site and see how anadrol is prescribed, generally someone my size would be prescribed around 200mg a day, for at least 6 months, so 4-6 weeks is not going to cause any significat amount of damage

Bro ... dont kid yourself, there have been bunk batches of ICNs floating around for quite some time now. Also, the quest gear that you always use was the only gear that me and some close friends personally feel was underdosed and did not meet label claims. Point being, ulness you test the gear, you will never really know. I know that you have stated that you gained well of off other quest prods so maybe there are some inconsistancies with different batches, which isnt uncomon with UG labs, and like I say ... unless you tested this, you will never really know for sure.

I personally dont respond well to test either, (don't experience any spactacular gains, but do experience the sides), but jesus, I would sure as hell respond to 2 grams of real test, and the sides would be unreal for me. Like I said earlier, you are right, everyone respondes differntly bro, to a certain degree ... but there is a threshold there too bro. You throw someone 2000mgs of "real" test per week, and with everything else in check, they "should" be growing. I see the "non-responding" thing more when people are taking the average dosages. Usually these people have to bump the dosages up a bit above the norm to really "respond" better to the gear. You have REALLY bumped up the dosage and got zero response which in all honestly makes me question the quality of your gear.

Mavy

Mavy · Feb 5, 2004

needsize said:
if dbol is stronger per mg, and its a fact, does anyone have any studies they can post a link to so that I can see scientific proof?

Bro, the chances are that there have not been too many studies comapring potency of these two ... its something that is just by common sense known and accepted by people. Look at the history of typical dosages for the 2. You said earlier that a-50s are prescribed at 200mgs/day. Meanwhile you have BODYBUILDERS growing off of 20mgs/day of dbol. What does this tell you about the dosages and potency mg for mg? I really dont know how to make it any clearer bro?

I really dont feel like going out and digging up a study on this for you (agan its like digging up a study on why 1 litre of vodka will get you more wasted than 1 litre of beer - its pretty self explanatory), because its 1 in the morning, and I am getting tired of explaining this. On the flip side ... if you want to show me one study which shows anadrol as being stronger than dbol mg for mg than I will defintaly swallow my pride. Either that, or show me one person who will agree with you.

Mavy

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

^^other than alltraps, everyone knows you 2 are joined at the hip.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
^^other than alltraps, everyone knows you 2 are joined at the hip.

that is now officially the stupidest comment I have read in a long time, thanks for sharing. Alltraps and I are training partners, so what. Do we need to get into whose ass your head is up?? So far this thread has been a debate, and actually a fairly interesting one. But out of all your posts you havent had anything to add other than inflammatory statements.

Mavy, I never said I didnt get results off the 2 grams, I said i didnt grow. I had noticeable side effects, great strength increases, but no size increases that I could measure.
Maybe I should have worded my comments a little better, instead of arguing what is stronger per mg, I should have worded it more along the lines of "due to the variety of individual responses, you cant say that across the board, everyone will gain more muscle mass using the same of mg's of each". Like I said before, i still prefer dbol, but I have also seen guys that dont respond well to it, blow up off of small amounts of anadrol.

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Oh, poor baby, get traps to wipe your tears for you sweetheart. Are you gonna tell everyone that I don't even work out now? I have access to poptarts too dipshit.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Oh, poor baby, get traps to wipe your tears for you sweetheart. Are you gonna tell everyone that I don't even work out now? I have access to poptarts too dipshit.

I have no desire to get into this childish bullshit with you, if you have nothing of value to contribute other than childish insults, then keep it to yourself.
This is the problem with the anabolic board these days, adolescents with nothing better to do than start shit.
mavy and alltraps worked out their disagreement via pms, too bad you dont have either of thier maturity

eviction · Feb 5, 2004

hey now, aren't we all on the same side here?

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Okay, I did 5 grams of real upjohn cyp. a week and just couldn't grow. Then I switched to 250mg of quest enth/week and I gained 30 lbs. Now we have both added to this thread.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Okay, I did 5 grams of real upjohn cyp. a week and just couldn't grow. Then I switched to 250mg of quest enth/week and I gained 30 lbs. Now we have both added to this thread.

god, just when i think you cannot get any more retarded, you go and prove me wrong! That isnt anything even remotely close to anything I have ever said. I back up everything I have ever posted and am exactly what I say I am, my progress pics speak for themselves, end of story.
Do you not have anything better to do than pick fights on the internet???? that in itself speaks volumes

Are there no mods around to keep the kids in the sandbox in order?

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Wow, why are you so sensitive? You talk about being childish, but you are the one doing the name calling. My earlier posts were honest observations to what was being read, for example:

Not growing off 2000mg of human grade test/week sounds totally unbelievable...period. Saying that mg for mg, drol is signifigantly stronger than dbol goes totally against the commonly held believe about these drugs.

eviction · Feb 5, 2004

I'm not trying to direct this towards anyone so dont take it personally.

"fighting over the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, your still a fuckin retard"

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Yeah I get what you're saying eviction. Personally I'm not on anything right now so I can kid around without going all roidrage, but I think there are some members that are on halos and a couple grams of test. They seem a little unstable to me.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

actually jubei, you started it by your little comment about alltraps and I being joined at the hip, I never said anything insulting to anyone at any point in this thread until you started it.
When I got into it with your little buddy in the past, you made it clear you dont like me, wonderful, but try and keep your animosity off threads where it doesnt belong.

I never said that drol was stronger, read my posts, i just said that you cannot make blanket statements like the one that was made. As for the 2 grams thing, you have completely missed the point on the whole thing, it is completely possible depending on all kinds of variables. I've been posting for the 2.5 years that I've been juicing that I dont grow from test, the 2 grams thing was an experiment to see if it was the same on extremes. It was, so now I am using lower doses of other drugs, and have made huge gains

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Do you even know what being joined at the hip means? If you are getting bent out of shape about that you need help, or anger management big time. There was no animosity to be honest, just having fun with you, don't take yourself so seriously.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Do you even know what being joined at the hip means? If you are getting bent out of shape about that you need help, or anger management big time. There was no animosity to be honest, just having fun with you, don't take yourself so seriously.

If there was no animosity intended, then i apologize, but I find that hard to believe considering the history and how fast you started insulting me

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

what do you expect after this:

that is now officially the stupidest comment I have read in a long time, thanks for sharing. Alltraps and I are training partners, so what. Do we need to get into whose ass your head is up?? So far this thread has been a debate, and actually a fairly interesting one. But out of all your posts you havent had anything to add other than inflammatory statements.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
what do you expect after this:

that is now officially the stupidest comment I have read in a long time, thanks for sharing. Alltraps and I are training partners, so what. Do we need to get into whose ass your head is up?? So far this thread has been a debate, and actually a fairly interesting one. But out of all your posts you havent had anything to add other than inflammatory statements.

that was my response to what I took as an insult, your comment about us being joined at the hip, not only did I find it insulting, it had nothing to do with the thread

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Stop crying already and drop it.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Stop crying already and drop it.

you tell me there is no animosity and you keep making comments like this, okay...

It internet tough guys like you, that need a keyboard to start shit, that go and get half decent threads locked through your need to feel like a big man somewhere in your life. Hopefully tossing these insults at me makes up for whatever it was that was missing in your life.

I'm out, I have to go to the gym, but I'm sure your adolescent tough guy attitude will force you keep up the bullshit while I'm gone...have at it

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

Where are you getting this from? Internet tough guy? I said to drop it. You've got something seriously wrong with you man.

muscleup · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Where are you getting this from? Internet tough guy? I said to drop it. You've got something seriously wrong with you man.

It's how you are saying it dipshit...Show some respect...Needsize is just stating his experience and Thats all...Can't we all just get along...

BigAndy69 · Feb 5, 2004

Dbol is stronger than Drol mg for mg.

Effective doses of dbol are about 25-50mg

Effective doses of drol are about 50-100mg

It's pretty obvious when you think about it.

Mavy · Feb 5, 2004

needsize said:
Maybe I should have worded my comments a little better, instead of arguing what is stronger per mg, I should have worded it more along the lines of "due to the variety of individual responses, you cant say that across the board, everyone will gain more muscle mass using the same of mg's of each".

needsize, ya that would have cleared things up a bit by stating things like this, although I still only agree with it to a cretain degree. That will only go so far. The potentcy of the drug will have an effect on ones tolerance.

Either way, lets let this thread die ... its obviously taken a dramatic change in scope ... for the worse.

needsize · Feb 5, 2004

Mavy said:
needsize, ya that would have cleared things up a bit by stating things like this, although I still only agree with it to a cretain degree. That will only go so far. The potentcy of the drug will have an effect on ones tolerance.

Either way, lets let this thread die ... its obviously taken a dramatic change in scope ... for the worse.

sounds good to me, up till the last little bit I thought this was actually a decent thread, debates are where the best info comes out

jubei · Feb 5, 2004

muscleup said:
It's how you are saying it dipshit...Show some respect...Needsize is just stating his experience and Thats all...Can't we all just get along...

Thanks for your 2 cents.

muscleup · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Thanks for your 2 cents.

your welcome...Thanks for yours as well...Thats about what it has been worth.

bicepts101 · Feb 5, 2004

jubei said:
Thanks for your 2 cents.

whats your problem today bro?

your usually a pretty cool guy

let keep it cool guys. we're all on the same side here.

heated debates i like, name calling no one likes

gator_mclusky · Mar 15, 2004

unfuckinbelivable.

satchboogie · Mar 15, 2004

different strokes for different folks.

Daisy_Girl · Feb 21, 2005

bump for psychedout

DIVISION · Feb 21, 2005

Daisy_Girl said:
bump for psychedout

Mad Props, DaisyPet......

I did advanced search for this and still couldn't find it.

This thread sparked controversy, it angered alot of kids on the forum.

DIV

:chomp:

berlin-ef · Feb 21, 2005

geoboy said:
AMEN TO THAT! that's me, & my story in a nutshell.

Also, as to the liver dangers, I did 6 weeks at 30 mg ED with ZERO change in ast/alt.

To throw in my .02, I think that most who have used both would agree that Anadrol gives better strength gains. They both work via non-AR mediated pathways, unline test, tren, primo, or high dose anavar. On a mg per mg basis, dbol is probably "stronger," but then again so is anavar, despite it's lackluster performance as a standalone anabolic. If you look at the studies at www.medibolics.com, you can see that Anadrol has really gotten a much undeserved bad rep for being more liver toxic than others and anavar has gotten a fairly undeserved good rep along the same lines. AIDS patients have used Adrol at 100mg per day without any change in liver values whereas dbol has always been the poster child for liver problems (probably due to its widespread use by Alzedo etal). The progestenic properties of Abombs can be handled by using winstrol (which is anti-progestenic) or by using dostinex concurrently. If you're going to check liver values, while ALT/AST is necessary, the most important one is GGT, which isn't included on a chem-20 or a comprehensive metabolic panel. ALT/AST is always elevated in weight-trained individuals anyway do knowing your baseline values is key. As far as what shuts you down more, as long as you are using clomid/nolvadex during the cycle and post-cycle, you should come back nicely either way. Of course, with dbol, adex would be beneficial during cycle as well. As far as mood goes, dbol should make you feel much better because of its dopaminergic effects, but on the flipside, the psychological crash is more pronounced as well (handled with sam-e and/or 5-htp in your pct). When it comes down to it, try both while taking proper precautions and compare them given your own personal physiology (props to Satch) - gains, sides, and bloodwork. Like everything else, it takes time to learn how to optimize your body chemisty, whether that be which lifts, diets, or drugs work best for you. So, I'm officially not taking a side because individual results may vary and that's all that really counts in the end anyway.

bicepts101 · Feb 28, 2005

anadrol i like better as far as strenth but every time ive done i felt like i was going to die....dbol for saftey reasons

Why would anyone choose A-Bombs over Dbol??

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