Why they hate America

[CBRF4]

Found this online, opinions?

http://english.pravda.ru/letters/2001/11/05/20167.html


OUR READER WRITES "WHY I HATE AMERICA"

I would be dishonest if I said I didn?ft hate the American government. I do hate it, so really, so deeply and, yes, so rightly. America is the tormentor of my people. It is to me, as a Palestinian, what Nazi Germany was to the Jews. America is the all-powerful devil that spreads oppression and death in my neighborhood. How can I not hate this great Satan, the evil empire? Does anyone expect people to love their tormentors?

America has been, and continues to be, the sponsor, enabler, protector, and justifier of my people?fs misery for the last 50 years. America is the author of 53 years of suffering, death, bereavement, occupation, oppression, homelessness and victimization. America is the usurper of my people?fs right to human rights, democracy, civil liberties, development and a dignified life. America is the abettor and financier of Israeli occupation, apartheid, repression, terror, and territorial aggrandizement„£all at my people?fs expense. America is the protector, maintainer, sustainer and guarantor of despotism, dictatorship, dynastic fiefdoms, and brutal autocracies, theocracies, oligarchies and monarchies. America is the evil power that denies my people their freedoms and democracy. America is the tyrant, a global dictatorship that robs hundreds of millions of Arabs and Muslims of their right to freely elect their governments and rulers because corporate America dreads the outcome of democracy in the Muslim world.

America treats me and my people as children of a lesser God. In fact, in the final analysis, America offers me one of two choices: Either I submissively accept perpetual enslavement and oppression or become an Osama bin Laden. Honestly, there is not a third choice; if there is one let us see it. I?fm not exaggerating at all, as I know that the distance between being tormented by America?fs oppressive hegemony and being converted or mesmerized into bin-Ladenism is shorter and smaller than many would think, including the so-called experts in Washington. In fact, I dare say that the first inevitably leads to the second in a straightforward cause-effect relationship. So, please America, don?ft make me an Osama bin Laden. I don?ft want to be one; I hate to kill innocent people, for, in our religion, killing an innocent human being consigns the killer straight to hell. And I don?ft want to go to hell. But I don?ft want to stay in America?fs hell, either.

In short, it is virtually impossible for me, as indeed is the case for most Palestinians, Arabs, or Muslims, not to hate America so much. For me, in order not to hate America, I would have to be an imbecile, bereft of dignity, or without senses and feelings completely numb. Only infra-humans and quasi-beasts wouldn?ft hate their evil tormentors and grave-diggers. And America is the Palestinian people?fs ultimate tormentor and grave-digger, as well as the oppressor and killer of millions around
the world.

In fact, finding an Arab these days that doesn?ft hate America would be
like searching for a Jew who is infatuated with Hitler?fs Germany. Are there Jews who adore the Nazis? Are there still Arabs and Muslims who identify with the indirect, but no less-real, perpetrator of the massacres of Qana, Sabra and Shatilla, and now Beit Rima. Maybe there still are some, but I?fm sure they soon will disappear. I know that a wealthy Saudi Emir recently made some sycophantic remarks about being ⌠an ally of America. However, it is extremely unlikely that he didn?ft mean what he said. It would be scandalous if he did, indeed.

I know that hate is evil, at least a passive evil. And I, personally, really strive not to allow my deep hate for the American government and its murderous policies to be transformed from the static form to the dynamic form. However, others, who may even hate America more than I do, will not be able to exercise as much self-control, as much suppression of their grievances, and as much wisdom. But static hate is ultimately a frozen rage, awaiting the moment of explosion. I know hate can be blind and deadly. But, I also know that oppression, as the Holy Quran clearly states, is worse than murder (wal-fitnatu Ashaddu minal-qatl).

Hence, I try, even strive, to make my hate for America, as rational as possible, as constructive as possible, even as human as possible. This is not because America deserves to be treated humanely. The exterminators of 1.5 million Iraqi children, for the purpose of punishing one man, would never deserve to be treated well, or respected. They are despicable mass murderers of Hitler?fs ilk. I try to control my hate, because my goal is to live in love and peace,
not to hate and be hated by others. My goal is to be free; free from Israel?fs U.S.-sponsored and U.S.-funded oppression and occupation. I want to be free from apartheid; what is wrong or objectionable about wanting to be free from apartheid? I want to be free from suffering that transcends reality. I want to be free from a life of roadblocks, checkpoints, detention camps, closed-military zones, targeted killing, land-confiscation, home-demolition, and, yes, daily massacres. I also want to be free from hate, even hate for America. But I know too well that I can?ft be free from the effect until I am free from the cause, and the cause is America?fs greed, rapacity and hegemony. All we want is to be left alone and allowed to live a normal life and exercise our God-given rights and freedoms like other human beings. Is this asking for too much?

Please, America, don?ft make me an Osama bin Laden.

 

[Norman Bates]

So the writer thinks that the US oppress him are responsible for all of what is happening to his people.
But i don´t see any actual examples about the oppresion.
I also don´t hear about US Soldiers killing the Palestinians,i think it´s still the jews that are doing this.
Blaming the US for trading weapons with Israel is not fair, i think.

But he´s right with the 1st World taking too much influence on the politics of the 3rd World.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Give some credible evidence. I know that is the feeling many, if not most, Arabs have toward America, but they need to give some specific, provable, examples of oppression.

 

[danielson]

So the writer thinks that the US oppress him are responsible for all of what is happening to his people.
But i don´t see any actual examples about the oppresion.
I also don´t hear about US Soldiers killing the Palestinians,i think it´s still the jews that are doing this.
Blaming the US for trading weapons with Israel is not fair, i think.

from what i can see, they seem to blame the US for bringing financial and political support to israel.

 

[1911]

"...not because America deserves to be treated humanely.... never deserve to be treated well, or respected. They are despicable mass murderers..."

The "writing" as a whole? I'll print it and use it for what it deserves, ass-wipe.

Later,

 

[2 ton hoss]

THAT WAS A HUMOROUS LETTER. AMERICA DOES NOT OPPRESS THE MUSLIM WORLD. WE BUY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OIL FROM THEM. IF HE IS TALKING ABOUT IRAQ, THAT IS IRAQ'S OWN FAULT. KICK OUT YOUR FUCKING DICTATOR. HE CAN SELL OIL FOR FOOD - WHY DOESN'T HE?

AMERICA DOESN'T OPPRESS THE MUSLIM WORLD. THEIR OWN DICTATORS DO.

 

[Robert Jan]

"THAT WAS A HUMOROUS LETTER. AMERICA DOES NOT OPPRESS THE MUSLIM WORLD. WE BUY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OIL FROM THEM. "

for a rediculously low price by supporting western influenced regimes who are corrupt sons of bitches who dont give any money to their people.

examples of countries in which the western world has made a regime come to power that will lick their ass by giving us their natural resources for fractions of what they are worth here at the cost of their people:

Zaire
Saudi Arabia
Argentina
Chile
Kenya


Russia is looking to be added to this list as well but i will not put it there as i am not sure enough about the situation there.

 

[thebabydoc]

Originally posted by CBRF4 The exterminators of 1.5 million Iraqi children, for
the purpose of punishing one man, would never deserve to be treated well, or
respected. They are despicable mass murderers of Hitler's ilk. I try to control my
hate, because my goal is to live in love and peace

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!I'm not sure I've ever seen 2 sentences containing more oxymorons and contradictions. Impressive the number of times Hitler's name comes up here, I wonder if it's deliberate- to show us that the author really doesn't hate Jews, rather he also hates their oppressor.


This rambling is the best evidence for the brainwashing that goes on in Arab/Palestinian schools from day one and the reason that they, like child molesters, are beyond any type of rehabilitation. Their pathology is hard-wired, as evidenced in this thinly veiled threat:

However, others, who may even hate America more than I do,
will not be able to exercise as much self-control, as much suppression of their grievances,
and as much wisdom. But static hate is ultimately a frozen rage,
awaiting the moment of explosion. I know hate can be blind and deadly.
But, I also know that oppression, as the Holy Quran clearly states, is worse than murder....

Please, America, don't make me an Osama bin Laden

I hope that you only posted this shit to further show everyone the type of false rhetoric and lies that the Arab world is spoon fed from birth and what kind of enemy we are up against. There is only one solution to an enemy that thinks in this manner.

 

[CBRF4]

Re: Re: Why they hate America

[I hope that you only posted this shit to further show everyone the type of false rhetoric and lies that the Arab world is spoon fed from birth and what kind of enemy we are up against. [/B]

I posted this to get everyone's opinions on it. I don't particularly agree/dissagree with the author, I just found it interesting.

There is only one solution to an enemy that thinks in this manner. [/B]

I'm sure the sentiment is mutual and I really don't see that as being the solution for anything.

 

[2 ton hoss]

"THAT WAS A HUMOROUS LETTER. AMERICA DOES NOT OPPRESS THE MUSLIM WORLD. WE BUY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OIL FROM THEM. "

for a rediculously low price by supporting western influenced regimes who are corrupt sons of bitches who dont give any money to their people.

examples of countries in which the western world has made a regime come to power that will lick their ass by giving us their natural resources for fractions of what they are worth here at the cost of their people:

Zaire
Saudi Arabia
Argentina
Chile
Kenya


Russia is looking to be added to this list as well but i will not put it there as i am not sure enough about the situation there.

LOOK HOSS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SELL THEIR OIL TO US. THEY SELL IT, WE BUY IT. IT'S L IKE THEY ARE BLAMING US FOR THEIR INABILITY TO GET A GOOD GOVERNMENT. IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S THEIRS.

 

[2 ton hoss]

The exterminators of 1.5 million Iraqi children, for the purpose of punishing one man, would never deserve to be treated well, or respected. They are despicable mass murderers of Hitler?fs ilk. I try to control my hate, because my goal is to live in love and peace,

THIS IS LUDICROUS.

SADDAM IS PERMITTED TO SELL OIL FOR FOOD AND MEDICATIONS.

HE DOES NOT DO SO.

I ASK, WHO IS TO BLAME? CERTAINLY NOT THE USA.

 

[thebabydoc]

I'm sure the sentiment is mutual and I really don't see that as being the solution for anything.

Well, while they're blowing up our buildings and killing innocent civilians maybe you could offer up a better solution?

As I demonstrated, clearly this "letter" shows that peace is not one of those options.

 

[BackDoc]

Wonder how the writer of that article would feel about the U.S. if we stopped giving out so much foreign aid...besides, he'll probably do well with the reparations we will make to just about anyone we have to engage militarily. When America gets sick of doling out money to the less than appreciative it will be a great day indeed, but not for them. Lest that writer forget, he is probably in existence with the freedom to write as he pleases probably as a direct result of U.S. foreign involvement. Kind of seems poetic to reply to this loser, "there go you, by the grace of God and the U.S.".

Middle east oil would be in trouble if we started buying it from Russia or tapping Alaska instead. Might be a good idea to put our money in forming new allies rather than financially supporting those who don't appreciate it.

 

[CBRF4]

Well, while they're blowing up our buildings and killing innocent civilians maybe you could offer up a better solution?

Who are we talking about when we say "they"? Are you implying that all muslims are terrorists? All arabs or just the guy who wrote this?

 

[Strong_Man20]

THAT WAS A HUMOROUS LETTER. AMERICA DOES NOT OPPRESS THE MUSLIM WORLD. WE BUY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OIL FROM THEM. IF HE IS TALKING ABOUT IRAQ, THAT IS IRAQ'S OWN FAULT. KICK OUT YOUR FUCKING DICTATOR. HE CAN SELL OIL FOR FOOD - WHY DOESN'T HE?

AMERICA DOESN'T OPPRESS THE MUSLIM WORLD. THEIR OWN DICTATORS DO.

America are the ones who are implementing and supporting these corrupt, US ass-wiping dictatorships. They wont allow an elected government in the muslim world because they know the consequences too well if this does occur. America want to keep dictators like Sadam intact, so they can continue to park there asses in the gulf, mantain the state of Israel and keep buying oil at ridicuously low prices. Basically using leaders to oppress there people and serve there intrests.

All the governemnts in the muslim and arab world are appointed by the US. Turkey elected a muslim leadership and what happened?? America put a stop to it.

I suppose the attempted millitary coup in Venezualez had nothing to do with the US...lol

btw I agree with EVERYTHING the author said, I thought it was a good read.

 

[BackDoc]

Feel free to use this message board to express your views and opinions.

 

[dballer]

As long as your information comes from the destructive US media.. you will never know the truth. As long as you let the poets running the news and news papers decieve you with their bullshit.. then ignorance will continue to be a bliss.

 

[BackDoc]

Bingo!

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Re: Re: Why they hate America

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!

This rambling is the best evidence for the brainwashing that goes on in Arab/Palestinian schools from day one and the reason that they, like child molesters, are beyond any type of rehabilitation. Their pathology is hard-wired, as evidenced in this thinly veiled threat:
I hope that you only posted this shit to further show everyone the type of false rhetoric and lies that the Arab world is spoon fed from birth and what kind of enemy we are up against. There is only one solution to an enemy that thinks in this manner.

Yeah Kill Them All

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Wonder how the writer of that article would feel about the U.S. if we stopped giving out so much foreign aid...besides, he'll probably do well with the reparations we will make to just about anyone we have to engage militarily. When America gets sick of doling out money to the less than appreciative it will be a great day indeed, but not for them. Lest that writer forget, he is probably in existence with the freedom to write as he pleases probably as a direct result of U.S. foreign involvement. Kind of seems poetic to reply to this loser, "there go you, by the grace of God and the U.S.".

Middle east oil would be in trouble if we started buying it from Russia or tapping Alaska instead. Might be a good idea to put our money in forming new allies rather than financially supporting those who don't appreciate it.

Agree. I think we should find another source of fuel alltogether. With the technology available today, Im sure we can come up with something..It's the only way to punish the Middle East.

 

[specter]

Wonder how the writer of that article would feel about the U.S. if we stopped giving out so much foreign aid

No doubt the author would be overjoyed if the U.S. stopped providing foreign aid. That would mean that the U.S. would no longer be providing Israel, the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid with its $4 billion per year. And it would be a huge blow to the dictatorial regime in Egypt, whom the U.S. bribed into accepting a peace treaty with Israel. Egypt is the #2 recipient of U.S. foreign aid, receiving $2.1 billion in 2000.

Where does the sense the U.S. is the sugar daddy to the world's indigent people come from? Nothing could be further from the truth. While we in the U.S. happily export weapons throughout the world - and sit back and watch the action from our La-Z-Boys - we are nowhere close to being among the most generous nations in the world. In 1999, U.S. companies and government agencies exported $62 billion of weapons around the globe. That's compared to $16 billion in foreign aid that year, with $6 billion of that going only to Israel and Egypt.

The U.S. sets aside .1% of it's budget annually for foreign aid. Japan and Western European nations allocate ten times that percentage.

So again, if you were aware of the facts you would see that few Arabs and certainly no Palestinians would shed tears if the U.S. foreign aid 'spigot' were shut off altogether. And if U.S. military exports were shut off as well, where again Israel is a huge winner, they would cry tears of joy.

 

[JohnyJuice]

America are the ones who are implementing and supporting these corrupt, US ass-wiping dictatorships. They wont allow an elected government in the muslim world because they know the consequences too well if this does occur. America want to keep dictators like Sadam intact, so they can continue to park there asses in the gulf, mantain the state of Israel and keep buying oil at ridicuously low prices. Basically using leaders to oppress there people and serve there intrests.

All the governemnts in the muslim and arab world are appointed by the US. Turkey elected a muslim leadership and what happened?? America put a stop to it.

I suppose the attempted millitary coup in Venezualez had nothing to do with the US...lol

btw I agree with EVERYTHING the author said, I thought it was a good read.

Then why don't you move to the middle east, since you seem yo like arab dick. i cant believe you believe that horse shit. Must be something in the tea and crumpets. Or maybe lack of tooth paste rots the mind as well.

 

[curling]

Who gives a crap why they hate us? They are all nuts that worship some funky stupid cult religion that some towel head dude made up. They kill themselves and innocent people in a strapping a bomb on their butt instead of fighting like a soldier. I am sick of these people and why they are mad at us. They better worry about US getting mad at them and blowing their stupid little towels all over the desert. You mess with the US and be prepared to face the consequence you dumb muslim terrorist suckers.

I am so sick of this bleeding heart liberalism why these towel heads hate the us instead of seeing the terrorist idiots for what they are - common criminals that need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

We can kill most of those mother fuckers in one day... and I cant wait for that day.

 

[JohnyJuice]

We can kill most of those mother fuckers in one day... and I cant wait for that day.

Me neither. Remember...Liberalism isn't a mind set, it is a mental disorder.

 

[BackDoc]

No doubt the author would be overjoyed if the U.S. stopped providing foreign aid. That would mean that the U.S. would no longer be providing Israel, the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid with its $4 billion per year. And it would be a huge blow to the dictatorial regime in Egypt, whom the U.S. bribed into accepting a peace treaty with Israel. Egypt is the #2 recipient of U.S. foreign aid, receiving $2.1 billion in 2000.

Where does the sense the U.S. is the sugar daddy to the world's indigent people come from? Nothing could be further from the truth. While we in the U.S. happily export weapons throughout the world - and sit back and watch the action from our La-Z-Boys - we are nowhere close to being among the most generous nations in the world. In 1999, U.S. companies and government agencies exported $62 billion of weapons around the globe. That's compared to $16 billion in foreign aid that year, with $6 billion of that going only to Israel and Egypt.

The U.S. sets aside .1% of it's budget annually for foreign aid. Japan and Western European nations allocate ten times that percentage.

So again, if you were aware of the facts you would see that few Arabs and certainly no Palestinians would shed tears if the U.S. foreign aid 'spigot' were shut off altogether. And if U.S. military exports were shut off as well, where again Israel is a huge winner, they would cry tears of joy.

The data in your argument is only half of the story; of that fact I am well aware. Why not post the statistics regarding the effects of U.S. reparations on third parties? Do you think that all of the monies and otherwise are used only for stated and clear purposes? I'm sure no enemy of the U.S. has benefitted from our aid or reparations. Get real.

Go ahead and apply the statistics to only one side of the argument. That's incomplete. But so is the musings of the liberal democrat/socialist reform movement. I'm not surprised or fooled.

 

[specter]

The data in your argument is only half of the story; of that fact I am well aware. Why not post the statistics regarding the effects of U.S. reparations on third parties? Do you think that all of the monies and otherwise are used only for stated and clear purposes? I'm sure no enemy of the U.S. has benefitted from our aid or reparations. Get real.

Go ahead and apply the statistics to only one side of the argument. That's incomplete. But so is the musings of the liberal democrat/socialist reform movement. I'm not surprised or fooled.

Please, if you would be so kind as to fill me in on the other side of the story, what with your mysterious "reparations on third parties."

Nevertheless, you are so well informed, apparently, that I have much to learn. I would be fascinated to learn how the average Palestinian benefits from the munificence and generosity of the American taxpayer.

Oh, incidentally, it doesn't take a socialist or liberal democrat to point out that American foreign aid is an embarrasment (something recognized by both parties in the wake of Sept. 11) or that U.S. military exports dwarf that foreign aid. But if it somehow makes your world a little safer to apply a label to somehow threatening arguments, then by all means go ahead.

 

[gymnpoppa]

I'm sure no enemy of the U.S. has benefitted from our aid or reparations.

Before you label me as a dm/lib........it's true, we suck dick in actual foreign aid. Our "aid" to puppet administrations dwarfs actual aid to poor countries. It doesn't take a party member to see that......well maybe, that's the problem, neither party thinks it is wrong to supply countries with weapons, and technology, and then when they outlive/change a usefulness to our needs, we find the shit being used against us.....(Usama bin Laden...anyone?) How many caves did we fortify in Afghan years ago?

 

[Whiskey]

In the great words of my father, who spoke them last night....

"nuke'em"




Whiskey

 

[BackDoc]

But if it somehow makes your world a little safer to apply a label to somehow threatening arguments, then by all means go ahead.

Threatening arguments? I don't see the connection between the topic and a threat, except that liberals tend to support ideals that are remarkably similar to socialism, which, yes, is a threat to the American way of life. I think you have me confused with someone else, perhaps, in assuming I took anything as threat. Anyways, that's a tremendous assumption that my applying a label makes my world a little safer. Incredible and laughable.

To simplify things, I have but one question before going any further into discussion or debate: Do you feel that all U.S. aid/materials/training/military education to the recipients have been spent/used/or performed accordingly and exclusively as it was intended?

 

[Prometheus]

I would be fascinated to learn how the average Palestinian benefits from the munificence and generosity of the American taxpayer.

... American foreign aid is an embarrasment

A better question is how has the average AMERICAN benefitted from the generosity of the PALESTINIAN taxpayer. Or Israeli taxpayer, or Rwandan taxpayer, or Egyptian taxpayer, or Indian taxpayer, or whomever.

Americans have built a store of wealth. Americans have been ingenious enough to utilize their resources in the most efficient way. Americans have striven for and fought and died for a Democratic way of life. Americans have had the vision to attempt to embrace a free-market system.

Where this accomplishment creates a DUTY to feed and support the world's nonachievers is a mystery to me.

 

[thebabydoc]

A better question is how has the average AMERICAN benefitted from the generosity of the PALESTINIAN taxpayer. Or Israeli taxpayer, or Rwandan taxpayer, or Egyptian taxpayer, or Indian taxpayer, or whomever.

Americans have built a store of wealth. Americans have been ingenious enough to utilize their resources in the most efficient way. Americans have striven for and fought and died for a Democratic way of life. Americans have had the vision to attempt to embrace a free-market system.

Where this accomplishment creates a DUTY to feed and support the world's nonachievers is a mystery to me.

Amen.

 

[specter]

Where this accomplishment creates a DUTY to feed and support the world's nonachievers is a mystery to me.

"Nonachievers" More of the Fuck 'Em All/How Can They Hate Us? We're The Good Guys! Foreign Policy... This argument has certainly been the predominant theme since the original post. It's such a lameass, gut-response argument, it's a shame so many people actually think it holds the slightest merit.

To start, nowhere have I stated that Americans have a DUTY to non-Americans. For the record, I believe that economic assistance and aid is ulitimately good for American businesses and that by itself it makes for good diplomacy. I believe that military aid and/or intervention too often comes back to bite us in the ass. But obviously there's no DUTY to help anyone who doesn't themselves pay U.S. taxes.

Let me sum up what started this thread, if possible:

1) Palestinians hate Israel and the U.S.

2) Someone comes along and says screw them, we could stop providing them with so much foreign aid

3) I make the point that while we don't provide much foreign aid, much of what we do provide benefits the Palestinians' enemy, Israel. The implication being that from a Palestinian point of view the U.S. certainly isn't doing them any favors.

Please bear in mind that I in no way support the sentiments found in the original post, but we have to face facts here and the facts of U.S. foreign policy are that we don't always give people around the world a reason to feel warm and fuzzy about the us. Do we have an obligation to do so? No. But don't feign suprise then when someone lashes out at us.

4) Something about U.S. funds making their way to unintended recipients.

 

[thebabydoc]

I believe that many of the replies pointed out, as I did in my original response, that the Palestinians, Arabs, etc... conveniently overlook that far more American funds go to nations/countries/whatever that are sympathetic to them than go to Israel. In other words, no matter what we do, they will create a reason to hate us because they have been bred and brought up to do so.

 

[Prometheus]

"Nonachievers" More of the Fuck 'Em All/How Can They Hate Us? We're The Good Guys! Foreign Policy... This argument has certainly been the predominant theme since the original post. It's such a lameass, gut-response argument, it's a shame so many people actually think it holds the slightest merit.

thanks for the kind words.

despite the insults, I think we are more in agreement than not - there is no question that overzealous American involvement and unequal aid distribution to other governments has contributed to worldwide anti-American sentiment. whether this sentiment is justified I don't know, but we do not treat all destitute countries equally, and it is true that ill-will may be expected when actively arming a country at the expense of its enemy.

but saying that American foreign aid is "embarassing" implies that we must give even MORE to avoid further embarassment (assuming the "embarassment" is the result of not meeting some level of almsgiving you feel the US should attain, e.g., a duty). I would say an answer is to give LESS, or at the least to distribute what is given more evenly.

There are many poor and hungry Americans, US military personnel are grossly underpaid, Americans still die of preventable diseases, and many American agencies are underfunded - all are recipients arguably more deserving of the billions of tax dollars distributed yearly to fund religious zealotry and 3rd-world civil wars -- the primary focus for the coerced charity of the American taxpayer should be other Americans.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Wonder how the writer of that article would feel about the U.S. if we stopped giving out so much foreign aid...besides, he'll probably do well with the reparations we will make to just about anyone we have to engage militarily. When America gets sick of doling out money to the less than appreciative it will be a great day indeed, but not for them. Lest that writer forget, he is probably in existence with the freedom to write as he pleases probably as a direct result of U.S. foreign involvement. Kind of seems poetic to reply to this loser, "there go you, by the grace of God and the U.S.".

Middle east oil would be in trouble if we started buying it from Russia or tapping Alaska instead. Might be a good idea to put our money in forming new allies rather than financially supporting those who don't appreciate it.

not as an attack, but can you back these statements up? i can back up the belief that america supports tyranny & repression in its foreign policy, but i've never seen any valid evidence that we support humanitarianism in our foriegn policy. Hopefully i have been looking in the wrong places.

Also, america is partly to blame for shitty 3rd world development. If the 'democracy' in a 3rd world doesn't elect who we want elected, we are apt to help overthrow the government.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Foreign_Policy/KillingHope_page.html

We opposed the ICC a few weeks ago, and just last week we voted 'no' on a UN convention making it harder for countries to torture their own citizens. Luckily the bill passed anyway 29-10. You have to pay $1.50 to get the full article though.

http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/avcombosearchsecure.redesign

from the April 19, 2002 edition
US finds strange bedfellows in UN vote on torture
By Peter Ford PARIS The United States has aligned itself with some of its fiercest and least democratic enemies in opposing efforts to strengthen an international treaty that outlaws torture, according to diplomatic sources. Washington has found itself on the same side as Cuba, Libya, and Syria, among other states, in trying to block a proposal before the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva designed to give more teeth to the Convention Against Torture. US diplomats insist t... (570 words)



Throughout the world, on any given
day, a man, woman or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed or "disappeared", at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame."

Amnesty International, in its annual report on U.S. military aid and human rights



also, our foreign aid budget is only like 15 billion. of that, about 1/2 goes to israel or egypt. So that leaves 7 billion for the rest of the world to be spent on military or humanitarian aid, which isn't much more than most other 1st world countries offer.

 

[BackDoc]

Corroboration, probably not, unless I find it at a biased website Just being honest. I listen to Rush on frequent occasion and that's where I heard some sort of reference to oil drilling in Alaska or buying from the Soviets.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Corroboration, probably not, unless I find it at a biased website Just being honest. I listen to Rush on frequent occasion and that's where I heard some sort of reference to oil drilling in Alaska or buying from the Soviets.

yeah, we both go to biased sources of info. I have found blatant lies at 'thirdworldtraveler', so i don't trust them entirely to give me facts, let alone facts that would make america look good.

I'd like to believe our foreign policy is laudable, but all i see is us oppsing justice and human rights, either by ourselves or in the UN. If anyone can give me valid info that says USA supports human rights & justice on an international level feel free to post it, i'd like to read that.

 

[dballer]

I think they hate us, cause our beautiful nation BLEW UP 100,000 innocent men, women and children 50 years ago.

So their thinking, what's 3,000 people to defend our land. Didn't they do the freakin' same once?

I never listen to American or Arab views. They're always biased cuz they have something to lose. Listen to a British or a Swedish person's opinion if you want something UNBIASED.

-= nav =-

right on brother.