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lifthard2005
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whats your opinions for use in the begining of a stack?
and why did you chose it over the other?
and why did you chose it over the other?
why t-bol over d-bol
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Anthony Roberts
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Tbol is Dbol with a 4-chloro modification which makes it non-aromatizing.
http://www.steroidsprofiles.com/steroid/info/83
http://www.steroidsprofiles.com/steroid/info/83
Tbol doesn't cause water retention so the gains are more keepable. If I'm not mistaken tbol is a derivative of dbol. I've never tried it but everyone on this board seems to love it.
I don't particularly care for dbol...makes me lethargic and bloated. I do always end up running it for the 1st few weeks of a bulker though. The rapid strength and weight gains are insane...no waiting around for the injectables to kick in.
It all comes down to personal opinion, both drugs kick in quick and will produce good gains. If you're looking for all out mass go with dbol, if you want quality gains go with tbol. Either way I'm sure you'll be happy. Good luck bro.
I don't particularly care for dbol...makes me lethargic and bloated. I do always end up running it for the 1st few weeks of a bulker though. The rapid strength and weight gains are insane...no waiting around for the injectables to kick in.
It all comes down to personal opinion, both drugs kick in quick and will produce good gains. If you're looking for all out mass go with dbol, if you want quality gains go with tbol. Either way I'm sure you'll be happy. Good luck bro.
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immortalis
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ryan04 said:
Exactly what Ryan said from me as well. Karma comin atcha
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Anthony Roberts
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ryan04 said:
Sort of...if, in the same way Dbol is a derivative of testosterone, Tbol can be said to be a derivative of Dbol...
goal200
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I've only read maybe 3 posts by people here or on other boards where they didn't like tbol...so they prob got ripped off. Everyone else says the gains are lean, keepable and the sides are almost nuthin. It sounds like the perfect oral (and that's really what we're all looking for right???????????? lol)
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immortalis
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1392477 said:
Man you took the words right outta my mouth. Bitch even has a place to set my beer!
I'm pickin up some T-bol to jumpstart my cycle and am hoping it beats the hell out of dbol! I know you see more strength & unkeepable size with the dianabol but T-bol just seems so much better for people like me who dont want to blow up with water and have a big puffy face. I'm going to be using it at 60mgs/ED for the first 4wks of my tren/test/eq run.
d_o_c_
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You only need enough to last a month because the effects usually seem to disappear somewhere around 4 weeks. I know it sounds weird but I have run it 3 times and every single time I seemed to hit a brick wall with it at a month in.
Great shit though. No sides and you keep most of the gains. My strength shot through the roof, more so with Tbol than Dbol. We are all different though, so judge accordingly.
Great shit though. No sides and you keep most of the gains. My strength shot through the roof, more so with Tbol than Dbol. We are all different though, so judge accordingly.
DBOL
pros:
huge strength and mass gains in little as 2 weeks
increased libido
sense of well being
cons:
Liver toxic 17AA
high aromatization
hair loss
water retention
increase BP
acne
greatly affects HPTA
TBOL
pros:
great strength and lean mass gains in as little as 3 weeks
increased libido
sense of well being
no hairloss
no aromitization
no water retention
doesnt affect HPTA nearly as bad as other orals (dbol, drol, winny, comparable to anavar)
cons:
liver toxic 17AA
gains stop for most around the 3-4 week mark
anybody have anything else to add
i dont know about you guys, but the decision is very easy for me
pros:
huge strength and mass gains in little as 2 weeks
increased libido
sense of well being
cons:
Liver toxic 17AA
high aromatization
hair loss
water retention
increase BP
acne
greatly affects HPTA
TBOL
pros:
great strength and lean mass gains in as little as 3 weeks
increased libido
sense of well being
no hairloss
no aromitization
no water retention
doesnt affect HPTA nearly as bad as other orals (dbol, drol, winny, comparable to anavar)
cons:
liver toxic 17AA
gains stop for most around the 3-4 week mark
anybody have anything else to add
i dont know about you guys, but the decision is very easy for me
Inhibitor13
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never tried t-bol, did d-bol, I love the increased "libido" you get from it... makes me hit the weights even harder !!! But definately keep us posted UFC22... I might be convinced to switch!
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Bruce
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i used russian dbols which are the best. i bloated got acne and serious headaches and high bp. the strength gains were good but nothing compared to tbol. i was on dbol with deca and test keep in mind, and tbol was being run alone. ive never experienced strength or pumps like tbol gave me. also there were no sides at all, just an increase in libido and there was no crash whatsoever, the perfect oral for sure
brooklynheight
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dbol upsets my tummy..tbol does not........weird
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ALIN
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lifthard2005 said:
Less bloat/water retention with the TBOL.
DieselGunz
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anthony roberts said:
Why do u think the gains end at 4 weeks as users have said?
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Anthony Roberts
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DieselGunz said:
I usually think that if you are 200lbs and take enough AAS to weigh 220....then when you get to 220, if you are taking the same amount that just got you there, it's now a maintenence dose, unless something changes.
DieselGunz
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anthony roberts said:
now that makes sense, thanx
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Anthony Roberts
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NO....it (partially) explains why the effects taper off. Think about it...if you just barely get to 250 lbs by eating 4k calories, then you won't get to 275 unless you up the calories. You know?
fireman664
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1392477 said:
with big handlebar like ears of course
tiggerizme
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Seriously, are people still asking this question?
njmuscleguy
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anthony roberts said:
so you're saying once you've reached that "plateau point" at say 4 weeks, then one theoretically would up their t-bol dosage to see more gains in the weeks ahead? I wonder if anyone has ever done this? If so, what were their results?
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Anthony Roberts
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Upping the dose will produce more gains, in almost every situation.
DieselGunz
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anthony roberts said:
I am going to try this increase dose and cals
DieselGunz
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bruce410 said:
yeah I am going to try it BTW what I said earlier YEAH right this shit has hit me like a ton of bricks....WOW
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Anthony Roberts
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dosteov said:
I would guess that since it's non-aromatizing, that's why...estrogen can contribute to negative feedback, and inhibit testosterone production. So...maybe thats why? I dunno, speculation here....
njmuscleguy
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DieselGunz said:
Hey DG - definitely let us know how that goes! When are you starting? I'll be doing a t-bol / tren / test cycle starting in 2 months.... I'm interested to see if increasing the dosage at the 4 week mark will work... thanks!
DieselGunz
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njmuscleguy said:
I am on day 9 right now at 40mgs and holy shit all i have to compare is var but wow this is no joke. I am going to stay at 40 and increse accordingly as time progresses. I will post my results/pics
njmuscleguy
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DieselGunz said:
so this is a t-bol only cycle? I guess that would be a good way to see solely how t-bol works....
DieselGunz
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njmuscleguy said:
yes I wanted to see how my body reacted to a test based aas so i ran it alone just see the results
DieselGunz said:
How does it compare with var? I've been reading that it is similar, but stronger. I've only taken var but now I am thinkin about going with t-bol. I hear the strength and size gains are better. What about the hardness/vascularity? I want to add some more hard muscle with no water weight. Will t-bol cut you up like var with a clean diet? What about sides(mainly gyno and hair loss)? I'm pretty happy with var but if t-bol is that simialr I'll go that route and save some money. Thanks in advance.
