Why should one wait until they've reached their "genetic potential" before using AAS?

[Juice Authority]

This was an awesome post by Zen42 at CEM answering this question...I found this thread over at Steriodology posted by DRveejay11. I found it to be an excellent post.

For some it’s about pride and paying dues. Many have shed sweat and blood, persevered through injury and personal sacrifice to build a physique few people will ever achieve. It’s disconcerting to see a newbie walk, take a few pills and then believe they are on the same level. Hard core lifting is more than just knowing and taking the right pharmacology.

For most of us it’s a genuine concern for the newbie. It takes more than gear to get exceptional results.

Before starting you should know your goals...are you looking to increase your strength, improve your looks, become famous, help your career, improve health, improve your self-esteem, get big, get approval or for protection (physical or mental)? The answer to that question determines the paths that are appropriate for you.

Every BODY is different. Do you know how your body acts and reacts? How many calories does it take for you to maintain? What food and feeding schedule can you tolerate? How much water do you need to drink? How much sleep do you need and how much good sleep can you get? What parts of your body respond to higher reps? What parts respond better to lower reps? How many sets give you the best results? What split works best? How many rest days do you need? What medical conditions do you have to adjust for? What exercises work for you and which ones don't? Do you know how to treat your injuries? Do you know how tell if you’re injuring yourself?

Then there are the things that only time and experience can give you: The skill of using dedication and determination to achieve long term goals. The knowledge that you can push yourself past limits, some you didn't even know you had. The experience and knowledge on how to use the equipment properly. The strength to adhere to STRICT form during your lifts. The strength to not give into ego and risk hurting yourself. The strength to adhere to a training program. The knowledge to know when its time to back off and the knowledge to know when to press on. The strength to acknowledge your weaknesses and the wisdom to adjust for them. The knowledge and respect of the dangers of impatience. Additionally, time in the gym gives your bones, tendons and ligaments a chance to strengthen in order to handle the loads additional muscle will require.

By taking the time to learn what your body requires to grow, learning your limitations and strengths, identifying your true goals and developing the skills in the weight room you give yourself the best chance to use steroids successfully.

If you don't do this prep work you put yourself at risk. By not knowing your body, it'll take you longer to realize you need to adjust your dosages. Failing to eat, drink and rest properly will limit your gains. A lack of dedication and determination will waste your effort. An ill prepared body is more prone to soft tissue damage. An ill-informed user is far more likely to use steroids that are wrong for the wanted goal. A person with a weak ego will put themselves at greater risk in and out of the weight room. An inexperienced lifter will be slower to recognize the positive and negative effects of their steroids and not know how to make the appropriate adjustments. An ill-informed lifter will waste a ton of money and possibly a portion of their health.

Steroids offer benefits and risks. Surprisingly little is truly known about how they really work, their interactions and their long-term effects. If a 'newbie' takes the time to develop their base and their knowledge they have a high chance of successfully using steroids to achieve their goals. If they take this time they will be able to take pride in knowing that it really was them that achieved their goals, not what was in the pill or in the syringe.

One thing is certain…you know less than you think you know. (That’s true for all of us.)

 

[chanmanfoo]

good post juice.
foo

 

[General Maximus]

Good post.

 

[satchboogie]

good post, but whats the point of using roids after you've reached you max genetic ability??????????????????

you WILL lose those gains!

 

[Juice Authority]

good post, but whats the point of using roids after you've reached you max genetic ability??????????????????

you WILL lose those gains!

The point is to push your "genetic" limits as far as they go before considering AS. AS is mainly used to help people reach beyond their genetic limitations.

 

[Johnny Cut]

good post drvee and juice

 

[satchboogie]

The point is to push your "genetic" limits as far as they go before considering AS. AS is mainly used to help people reach beyond their genetic limitations.

i agree completely, but still see it pointless to use roids after reaching maximum potential.

i believe one should train naturally for at least a year or two, then use anabolics to get to that max genetic limit.

 

[slobberknocker]

When I started I wasn't at my genetic potential. But, I'd been lifting for 6 years, so I was probably pretty close.

 

[sk*]

AS is mainly used to help people reach beyond their genetic limitations.

Says who?

Just cause you define it that way doesn't mean everyone else has to. No flame intended.

-sk

 

[slobberknocker]

Says who?

Just cause you define it that way doesn't mean everyone else has to. No flame intended.

-sk

Good point.

 

[Lift Chief]

I don't think it's important that you be at your genetic limit, but I agree it's a good idea to get close to it. Getting close to your limit proves that you know how to push yourself hard enough to get the maximum benefit from AAS. I see guys on their first cycles who are ecstatic because they were finally able to get a pump in their legs. If you can't get a pump without drugs how the heck are you going to train hard enough to keep the size once you come off? That's just the epitome of stupidity and lameness.
If you have to ask someone "what kinda workout" you should do when you're on a cycle you're not ready for AAS. You should know your body well enough to know EXACTLY what exercises do and don't work for you. You should know EXACTLY how many sets your body can take.

I agree


If you're only in the gym three days a week you're not ready for AAS. That's a workout routine for candyass circuit training. You don't need juice to recover from that. You need to stop drinking til 3AM every weekend then stopping off for fast food on the way home.
I'm so sick of these "I've been training for 3 months and I need juice cuz i'm a hard gainer" posts I want to strangle people. You haven't been lifting long enough to know whether you're a hard gainer or not.
SHUT UP AND TRAIN, YOU WIMPS!

I only work out 3 days a week... it's not about working harder it's about working smarter IMO. I used to go 6 days a week and since i switched to a HIT approach i have noticed my best gains. Like you said- everyone is different. You can't generalize here.

 

[satchboogie]

DIALTONE.........

i think the ending of that post should have been....

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!

good stuff man.

 

[Juice Authority]

Says who?

Just cause you define it that way doesn't mean everyone else has to. No flame intended.

-sk

I think you may have misunderstood me. What I meant is that AS "should" be used to help people go beyond their natural potential. Everyone hits peaks. AS is helpful in breaking through the barriers that otherwise would be impossible or nearly impossible without it.

I also think there's a difference between reckless and responsible AS use. I don't believe AS should be used by teenagers that are still developing yet it is widely used and abused in high schools across the country.

I believe that people should attempt to get as big and as strong as they can naturally before jumping on a cycle. So many people jump on a cycle who haven't been consistency training hard and look to AS to combat their laziness.

 

[mvmaxx]

I think you may have misunderstood me. What I meant is that AS "should" be used to help people go beyond their natural potential. Everyone hits peaks. AS is helpful in breaking through the barriers that otherwise would be impossible or nearly impossible without it.

I also think there's a difference between reckless and responsible AS use. I don't believe AS should be used by teenagers that are still developing yet it is widely used and abused in high schools across the country.

I believe that people should attempt to get as big and as strong as they can naturally before jumping on a cycle. So many people jump on a cycle who haven't been consistency training hard and look to AS to combat their laziness.

Great post I completely agree.

 

[Lift Chief]

You're able to do to that because you've already done all the other steps. I don't believe a beginner could recruit enough muscle fibers to make HIT training worthwhile.

I tend to agree with you there

 

[sk*]

I think you may have misunderstood me. What I meant is that AS "should" be used to help people go beyond their natural potential. Everyone hits peaks. AS is helpful in breaking through the barriers that otherwise would be impossible or nearly impossible without it.

I also think there's a difference between reckless and responsible AS use. I don't believe AS should be used by teenagers that are still developing yet it is widely used and abused in high schools across the country.

I believe that people should attempt to get as big and as strong as they can naturally before jumping on a cycle. So many people jump on a cycle who haven't been consistency training hard and look to AS to combat their laziness.

Bro, what you are saying is noble, but it isn't necessary the only way to go. You have to understand that people use AAS for different reasons and some just don't care to be beyond their genetical limit, or the next Ronnie Coleman, or maybe they do. It just depends on your goals.

For some people, including me, it's just a way to play against time and develop myself faster than I would without their use. At least that's the reason that I have used steroids in the past. This is really not about right or wrong, just about your prioroties. Although, it is always safe to educate yourself and know what you are doing before sticking.

-sk

 

[sk*]

You're able to do to that because you've already done all the other steps. I don't believe a beginner could recruit enough muscle fibers to make HIT training worthwhile.

Maybe you are right, but so what bro? A beginner will make better gains on steroids than without steroids even if he doesn't know how to properly workout and get the pump you talk about.

Just as long as you go get your blood levels checked, who really cares if you have been working out for 10years or 10months?

-sk

 

[sk*]

Sure, and they'll lose a higher % of the gains each time they come off, which will convince them to bump the amt of juice even higher next time, ensuring the post-cycle loss will be even bigger.

Yea, good point there.

-sk

 

[Juice Authority]

For some people, including me, it's just a way to play against time and develop myself faster than I would without their use. At least that's the reason that I have used steroids in the past. This is really not about right or wrong, just about your prioroties. Although, it is always safe to educate yourself and know what you are doing before sticking.-sk

Here's the problem...most people (the vast majority of AS users) don't even take the time to educate themselves on what they're taking. Most don't even know the basics of AAS before they plunge into a cycle. AAS is not something that should be decided on a whim, it's a long-term commitment.

Unfortunately kids will pick up a muscle and fitness magazine and see Ronnie Coleman on the cover and think the only way he achieved that was through AAS cycles. There's a lot more that's involved (i.e. diet, training, genetics, etc.etc.) in gaining that kind of size and strenght.

There's nothing wrong with getting a little help along the way to reach your goals but oftentimes people rely soley on AAS and change nothing else about the way they train, diet and live. They think they can hit the weights during the week, juice up and party all weekend and become like Arnold in a few months. When they realize that's not the case they take more and more with reckless abandon and end up fucking themselves up permanently.

This is the reason AAS has all the negative publicity it has and is a schedule III controlled substance.

 

[sk*]

Here's the problem...most people (the vast majority of AS users) don't even take the time to educate themselves on what they're taking. Most don't even know the basics of AAS before they plunge into a cycle. AAS is not something that should be decided on a whim, it's a long-term commitment.

Unfortunately kids will pick up a muscle and fitness magazine and see Ronnie Coleman on the cover and think the only way he achieved that was through AAS cycles. There's a lot more that's involved (i.e. diet, training, genetics, etc.etc.) in gaining that kind of size and strenght.

There's nothing wrong with getting a little help along the way to reach your goals but oftentimes people rely soley on AAS and change nothing else about the way they train, diet and live. They think they can hit the weights during the week, juice up and party all weekend and become like Arnold in a few months. When they realize that's not the case they take more and more with reckless abandon and end up fucking themselves up permanently.

This is the reason AAS has all the negative publicity it has and is a schedule III controlled substance.

Yea irresponsible use can always get you in trouble with your health, sadly this happens with both "newbies" (in the majority) to lifting and also to long time lifters.

-sk