Why peptides you use should be from a recombinant DNA source and not ... (*MUST READ*)

[j_p]

Buy from where you want and believe what you want. If the top of your vial comes dirty where from pollution or as you put it poor quality stopper enjoy your infection.
Btw many of the suppliers that admit to be over seas will tell you right in their faq that they will come not vacuum sealed because they are going to ship them by plane.
The ones that come local are always vacuum sealed.

admit or "excuse" ...due to crappier tops and the planes pressure letting out vac in vial during transport?
and i have had local without and with man... iv been at this game for many years...
some will also say "cjc 1293 w/o dac" at shop... guess what both CJC 1295 and 1293 HAVE dac, one is faster than other but both have dac and alot of these places are selling MOD GRF and calling it cjc 1293 w/o dac and that doesnt even freaking exist! i know chemists and even peptide synthesizers... you would be surprised how many shops actually dont know their products very well and are just in it for the $...
am i saying I know more than alot of these RC shops? yes I actually am.... same with endocrinologists and many docs i have met...

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

You cant believe what these stores tell you as far as how to determine quality of course. Thats absurd.
JP is right. Your best bet is to go with a company that will outright tell you that they use recombinant synthesized (where necessary), US made peps. Guess what, there are only 2 companies I know of that will outright state this openly! That in and of itself speaks volumes! The company I use provides peptides to Universities for some of their research programs, that tells me all I need to know. When you see IGF that is cheap- that right there tells you it isnt recombinant dna synthesized and is absolutely useless once injected. Its an expensize process to manufacture peptides properly- too cheap = garbage.

 

[Pepe Le-r3]

How did you come across a source that provides chems to Universities? I'm looking at adding PEG MGF for my non workout days. Should I ask my advanced chem teacher? Haha
It perplexes me why Mk 677 is considered a sarm rather than a ghrp.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

How did you come across a source that provides chems to Universities? I'm looking at adding PEG MGF for my non workout days. Should I ask my advanced chem teacher? Haha
It perplexes me why Mk 677 is considered a sarm rather than a ghrp.

Its incorrectly marketed as a sarm. Its a marketing scam by some shady companies.
You have to do due diligence. You find studies using the peptides done by universities, then you find out the source. In a full study the source will be listed in most cases. Its that simple.

 

[Pepe Le-r3]

I guess I never realized that, what part of the study is it usually located? The acknowledgements?

 

[polarbear1134]

You cant believe what these stores tell you as far as how to determine quality of course. Thats absurd.
JP is right. Your best bet is to go with a company that will outright tell you that they use recombinant synthesized (where necessary), US made peps. Guess what, there are only 2 companies I know of that will outright state this openly! That in and of itself speaks volumes! The company I use provides peptides to Universities for some of their research programs, that tells me all I need to know. When you see IGF that is cheap- that right there tells you it isnt recombinant dna synthesized and is absolutely useless once injected. Its an expensize process to manufacture peptides properly- too cheap = garbage.

I can't believe you don't realize them saying they are US made peps is worthless as 99% of the places claiming they have US made peps don't and are just a local label reshipper for the same over seas ones you are saying not to use. In case you haven't noticed these places will say and claim anything to make a sale.
Out of 6 places I have tried only 1 had quality and I strongly suspect that 3 of them didn't even have in the vials what was supposed to be there. Every one of them claimed all kinds of nice sounding stuff like sending you the mass spec on their stuff...

There is absolutely nothing any site can say that is worth a damn as they can type anything they want on their site. The things that matter are the things said on independent forum and reviews . I promise any webmaster can say anything they want on a site doing grey market sales.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

I can't believe you don't realize them saying they are US made peps is worthless as 99% of the places claiming they have US made peps don't and are just a local label reshipper for the same over seas ones you are saying not to use. In case you haven't noticed these places will say and claim anything to make a sale.
Out of 6 places I have tried only 1 had quality and I strongly suspect that 3 of them didn't even have in the vials what was supposed to be there. Every one of them claimed all kinds of nice sounding stuff like sending you the mass spec on their stuff...

There is absolutely nothing any site can say that is worth a damn as they can type anything they want on their site. The things that matter are the things said on independent forum and reviews . I promise any webmaster can say anything they want on a site doing grey market sales.

The difference is I know how to find out if it is true so before you tell me what I cant know or not know relax a bit. Im not some wet behind the ears moron. I have been in this game for over 20 years and know the pep/rc and supp business like the back of my hand. I not only know the peps I get are made in the US, I know they supply several universities in studies using various peptides. Their quality is second to none. Now, the reason it is a good thing that a company will openly state their peptides are recombinant dna synthesized is that they are sticking out their neck AND they know what the hell they are talking about. 90% of pep resellers (cause thats all most are- resellers of others products) dont even know what recombinant dna synthesized and properly folded IGF even means or is.
I agree mass spec daata isnt worth the paper itss printed on. Quality peps in that case is just 5 mins in MS paint away - if you know whaat I mean.
You have to do your homework and research. There are a couple (and only a couple) quality peptide sites out there- the rest s Chinese relabeled garbage BUT you cant go by paint smearing off of the top to verify jack shit man. Cmon.

 

[j_p]

^^^ I agree most places claiming "USA made" are full of it.. they are just reshippers of crappy Chinese made crap. but there are some that are. how do you know? well first things first, TRACK RECORD! if the place has been around for say 1 year.. why believe anything they say!? if the place has been around for over 10 years and selling to universities and has a good track record and testing to insure their consistent quality then i would go with them!
there are a couple places I use and i feel they are likely the same as jimmy uses as we have both been in this for many years.
There ARE atleast a couple places that are good and i use them and know they been around over 10 years, maybe 15 im not sure but i know for a fact over 10 since i have been using them about this long personally.
id say 90% of these pep places now are but cash grabs and its a shame... giving people peps or RC's that are not made properly to have a decent effect,,, its a real shame... They dont usually last long, but people see a good price and start buyin crap and they milk it as long as they can before changing their names and being a "new shop" to go and do it all over again IMO.

Doe your RESEARCH:

How long have they been around

stick to places that have been around for many years, not months..

Reviews (keep in mind there are alot of places that make fake reviews)

input from people you know or know on a forum on the place if they know it

testing (although like jimmy said this can be faked)

I'm not big on doing too many source checks but; anyone reading this- plz feel free to pm me on a place your researching or unsure of and if i know something ill help out, good or bad. I have been around the game for many years so might as well put that to some use and help.
I hate seeing people get ripped off!!!

 

[techlogik]

Interesting you guys bring up the point of HPLC and Mass spec. Ask your "well known" US suppliers, that you won't mention, but we know who you are referring, and they will all send you the exact same document. I mean, the pdf will be the same name, and all data is identical. So either the well know reputable sources you claim are 1) buying from one another, or 2) each sourcing from the same place, or 3) full of crap and do none of the above and all source from China or some other place and they aren't what you claim.

So if two well known "research" companies that have been around a long time and supposedly have a chemist on staff, or one at least claims to, and made in US, and they both provide the exact same HPLC doc...one can only conclude a few things as above.

Either one is legit, and serves the other/sells to the other and they relabel, or they are both full of garbage and making this up.

Also, none of them will tell you how they are manufacturing, either recombinent or otherwise. Interesting, because actual pharmaceutical companies will gladly provide and tell you this information, and often disclosed in their documentation. Ovidrel etc...is one example of that regarding rHCG.

Yet, they mysteries still remain about these guys. They use off shore CC processing merchants, the mystery and lack of info goes on an on with these people.