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WHY???? is running making me super strong?

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OMEGA

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I have been running 4-5 times a week and I have run about 18 miles in the last 4 days.

well I lifted today and my lifts have been going up tremendously

MY rep range and poundage have all been increasing.......I think I have I found my bodies secret, am I not alone?

also the running has actually curbed my appetite, so I am eating less but I actually have more energy.

also (this is gross) but my insides feel as if they are like a machine, jet cleaning my insides..........

any way I posted this on the chat board because I am truly excited!

I have been running almost 2 weeks now so this does not seem temporary.........
 
yeah, running will clean you out on the inside - it speeds up the metabolism as well as throws the gut around.
that will actually ease up as you get used to it (actually it as the interior ab walls - the ones you can't see - get stronger and support the guts better).

running long slow distance will increase capillary growth and also increase mitochondria in the cells used - largely the legs.

you increase your VO2max (largely through weight loss, but also through a few other factors), and also increase red blood cell count, and if you are running in heat, then you are increasing your blood plasma volume as well.

and yeah, it is an appetite suppressant - that too will diminish with time as you get used to it.
swimming, which largely uses the upper body doesn't give you the appetite suppressant reaction, it in fact usually makes you hungrier - so the reaction is something to do with the use of the larger leg muscle groups - you see a similar reaction in squats - but the reaction is more like if you did many sprints - an anerobic activity that sometimes results in puking in people that are easily susceptible (Sp?) that.

anyway, good job, keep it up, and all that.
 
Absolutely....same here. My performance increased while running.
I think Scrappy hit it on the head, but also, my feeling is that running really helped me mentally. Its a great stress reliever (for me) and I felt better, more alert, more positive, could focus better, etc. particularly running in the morning. Great way to start the day.....

On a side note, my 60 year old mother started running 3 miles a day, 7 days a week......now we don't know where the hell she is.....:) j/k keep it up.....
 
also note that running little bits ("little" being dependant on what sort of aerobic shape you are in) will help out your immune system.

but doing too much of it (again, "too much" is different for everyone), will actually hurt your immune system and you will get sick more often.
 
HappyScrappy said:
yeah, running will clean you out on the inside - it speeds up the metabolism as well as throws the gut around.
that will actually ease up as you get used to it (actually it as the interior ab walls - the ones you can't see - get stronger and support the guts better).

running long slow distance will increase capillary growth and also increase mitochondria in the cells used - largely the legs.

you increase your VO2max (largely through weight loss, but also through a few other factors), and also increase red blood cell count, and if you are running in heat, then you are increasing your blood plasma volume as well.

and yeah, it is an appetite suppressant - that too will diminish with time as you get used to it.
swimming, which largely uses the upper body doesn't give you the appetite suppressant reaction, it in fact usually makes you hungrier - so the reaction is something to do with the use of the larger leg muscle groups - you see a similar reaction in squats - but the reaction is more like if you did many sprints - an anerobic activity that sometimes results in puking in people that are easily susceptible (Sp?) that.

anyway, good job, keep it up, and all that.
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Great info HappyScrappy.
 
Zebo said:
Absolutely....same here. My performance increased while running.
I think Scrappy hit it on the head, but also, my feeling is that running really helped me mentally. Its a great stress reliever (for me) and I felt better, more alert, more positive, could focus better, etc. particularly running in the morning. Great way to start the day.....
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I must give running a try...
 
I agree, Omega, same thing is happening to me. The isides feel much tighter (may be because I'm cutting right now).

Sometimes when I run (usually after about 1.5 miles or so), I would get into this stage, where I'm kind of out of my body, and my legs and arms are in perfect balanced movement, my breathing is deep and calm, the speed is perfectly steady, and I pass all those people on the track, and feel like a perfectly-tuned athletic machine, in which everything is the best way it can be. It's a great feeling.
 
woah thanks Scrappy

good info

and CCCP that experience is exactley what I am going through.

My insides, and mucscle skeletal system feel as it is reverting to a streamlined state.

not that I am out of shape, I was in good lifting shape, but I know realize how limited that is.

YOU NEED BOTH! lifting and running.........this I am now sure of.


also i have now noticed that my body is now rejecting caffeine

thats right coffee, running is steadily pushing out my bodies affinity for this drink, 2-3 weeks ago I would pretend to quit drinkin coffee, but now its really happening......from the depths of my soul something is pushing out all negativity, and rejecting things that are harmful to me, or that cause me to be complaisant

wierd I know I sound all philisophical and shit, but its the truth, my mind feels like it is getting tempered into something strong too

my studies, and midterms have never been more on

oh well? just want to share..........
 
I have been running for many years. Not as much as I use to. Only about twice a week at 2 miles. Even this much makes a tremendous difference in cardio endurance and boosting the immune system. I felt better when I ran more. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. The more I run, the more weight I lose and I like looking like I can rip someone's head off. Running is also theoretically supposed to make you weaker on the weights, but a lot of people have said otherwise.
 
Running kicks my appetite into high gear.

It does suppress it during and for an hour or so after, but after you start getting blood back to your digestive system, look out!
 
I just ran 3 miles right before my last post,

and now I am startng to get a little hungry, but it's more from the workout I did yesterday, I am back into benching so I am doing the good old 8 sets of benching routine twice a week.

the goal is to do 225 for 3 sets of 13-15 like I used too.

anyway to curb my appettite

I have a recipe Idea that i just came up with


get about 7 slices of turkey.
put in a handful of salad greens with each slice, then add some ranch dressing,
and role!

you now have a filling low carb high fiber moderate protien snack!

I am now full

:)
 
whats a better idea? by the way I am doing the first plan right now

this is the first plan

I average one day off a week with this one

day 1----run 3miles
day 2----run 3miles
day 3----lift

repeat


or


day 1----run 5-6 miles
day 2----lift
day 3----off


reapeat
 
do you want to be a better lifter, or do you want to be a better runner?
whichever you want to be better at, give that the priority and eat/rest based on that, then throw in the other as an addition to that training.
 
Man, just watch your knees.....running and raquetball is what screwed mine up.

Everyone says get the right shoes and they're right.

Find one with major cushioning. Nike Shox are good.....

Glad to see you're enjoying running....
 
CCCP said:
I agree, Omega, same thing is happening to me. The isides feel much tighter (may be because I'm cutting right now).

Sometimes when I run (usually after about 1.5 miles or so), I would get into this stage, where I'm kind of out of my body, and my legs and arms are in perfect balanced movement, my breathing is deep and calm, the speed is perfectly steady, and I pass all those people on the track, and feel like a perfectly-tuned athletic machine, in which everything is the best way it can be. It's a great feeling.
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That feeling is called "runners' high" once you break through that, you can go for quite a while...
 
1) highly cushioned shoes can actually make for more running injuries. it depends where the cushioning is - some people opt for cross trainers, which are heavy and have cushioning all over for a range of things - but too spongey and you actually lose stability, and that is bad.
really any shoe that is dedicated to running and is over $60 is going to be just fine - I personally think the Nike Shox are all gimmick and a waste of a lot of money.
also, if you want to really do it up, get two pairs of shoes and swap them out each time you run. pair A one day, pair B the next, then pair A, etc.

2) the runner's high is your body releasing endorphins from the fight or flight response to high levels of stress - this happens a lot in leg workouts, but is even feasible in upper body workouts.
it mainly happens when you are out of shape - or at least out of shape for the activity that you are doing - in this case aerobic activity.
as you get better at it and more fit, it will take higher, harder, and longer workouts to generate that same response as your body builds a tolerance to it.
it is also a small part of why you aren't hungry after a run.
 
Absolutely.....if you haven't had a good amount of cartilage removed from your knees. I need all the cushioning I can get.
 
I run a lot as well. I would recommend running every other day and lifting on the days in between to reduce the risk of injury to your knees/ankles. Running takes a toll on the body.
 
Scrappy, I am looking for over all balance,
I got all the muscle mass I want, so more lifting is unecessary.

thanks for the shoe info

ideally I was going to have a program like this

day 1 yoga(yes yoga gay I know =(

day 2 lifting

day 3 running

but I can't get into the Yoga, I can't chant to the sound of bells and shit:confused:



hey about all the good knee and ankle advice?

I am relatively young 24 soon, is this something I would already spot if it was a problem for me, or will it catch up too me later?


I at one time ran 6 miles every day for 7 months EVERY DAY even on X-mas...............and never had problems except shin splints that I ran through and have never gotten again........
 
injuries come from bad form.
bad form is nice because it means you burn more calories (assuming you don't want to actually race - bad for is a killer for someone that wants to be fast).
but it is bad in that it increases the chances that you will get injured.

shin splits are hardly ever actually bone related, they are usually stretched/torn muscles on the front of the lower leg (shin) - that results from improper stretching/warm-up and the calf being stronger and flexed more and therefore overstretching the shin.
or it is a case of that muscle growing to quickly and the muscle fascia tearing, which is quite painful.

in terms of knee injury, the impact types of injuries come with greater weight - so the less you weigh overall, the less of a chance of that.
also, twisting is bad - but that is more of a football/basketball thing.
the last one is if you do lots of hills - if the knee moves forward of the ankle, and the quad is flexed, then it puts a great deal of sheering force on the tendons and ligaments of the knee where they attach to the lower leg and they can pull off.
they nearly ever totally pull off, but they tear a little bit at a time, and then scar tissue builds up and the pain of that pressing against nerves is... intense.

I've had the twisting tear of the inner cartilage - that sucked. but surgery or time and weights can fix that.
I've also had the patella insertion tear and that hurts like hell, but isn't all that dangerous.

in the end - if it hurts, don't run for a bit (1-3 weeks) because it needs to heal.
 
spentagn said:
running is for homos and minorities.
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Shut your stupid fuck mouth if you don't have anything constructive to say. Just because you don't do it, don't knock it.
 
biteme said:


Shut your stupid fuck mouth if you don't have anything constructive to say. Just because you don't do it, don't knock it.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKK, I'm pretty sure he wasnt being serious. Way to over react there man.
 
biteme said:


Shut your stupid fuck mouth if you don't have anything constructive to say. Just because you don't do it, don't knock it.
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LOL. Pardon me, king of constructive comments.
 
spentagn said:


LOL. Pardon me, king of constructive comments.
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It's about time somebody recognized that. Yes, I overreact sometimes. That's why I lock myself inside, I'm afraid I will kill people. J/K
 
biteme said:


It's about time somebody recognized that. Yes, I overreact sometimes. That's why I lock myself inside, I'm afraid I will kill people. J/K
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And then you'd have to start running.
 
YEAH YEAH!!

I just did a double day of lifting....................YEAH YEAH!!

I can't explain it?

I think I truly have ascended..........

I ran again last night and the day before....... both 3 milers

I wonder if I should force myself to take a day off........

I feel too good though?

I think something happenned to me the first night I started running......it was raining harder than I can remeber, but I forced my self to go............I ran on a trail in the darkness of sunset..............something happenned out there, I don't know what, but I think it is was good
 
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OMEGA said:
I think something happenned to me the first night I started running......it was raining harder than I can remeber, but I forced my self to go............I ran on a trail in the darkness of sunset..............something happenned out there, I don't know what, but I think it is was good
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ummm, you got into a fight and broke your hand and now you took up running. :D
 
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fistfullofsteel said:


ummm, you got into a fight and broke your hand and now you took up running. :D
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Um??? no but that has happenned to me before, and it sucked masssive donkey balls!!!!!!


:mad:



:)
 
just don't overtrain :)

(long slow distance - aerobic running - doesn't really lead to overtraining. but weight training and sprints can lead to it if you do too many days of that in one week.)
 
HappyScrappy said:
just don't overtrain :)

(long slow distance - aerobic running - doesn't really lead to overtraining. but weight training and sprints can lead to it if you do too many days of that in one week.)
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you are absolutley right my freind

I did sprint the day before I lifted, then I did a double day of lifting, now it hurts to move,............but I feel like my recovery rate is accellerated treamendously for some reason, (besides the Glutamine)

how is your training?
 
my aerobic training or weight training?

for me, I'm seeing that weight training is 90% diet.

in terms of aerobic conditioning, I no longer have the attention span to do much endurance training. so I just mix it up on various machines.

I no longer do AAS, but I'm in pretty good shape - just a little smaller than then, and nearly as strong.

the things that shrank the most are my forearms and my tris.
also my legs, but that is mainly because I don't try to lift much weight with them any more (I don't go over 225 on squats or DLs).

yay.
 
why did you stop?

as far as your training goes it sound good too me, but you should run dude, at least twice a week, it would help your legs

if you don't mind sharing how did your cycles look, what was your most successfull one, and how did you come off?
 
OMEGA said:
why did you stop?

as far as your training goes it sound good too me, but you should run dude, at least twice a week, it would help your legs

if you don't mind sharing how did your cycles look, what was your most successfull one, and how did you come off?
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assuming you first question relates to the drugs, then the answer comes with the answer to the last question there.
I never really got amazing gains.
I tried lots of different ones, and sure saw results, mostly that I could get cut more easily, but for the money and sides, I just wasn't seeing that much benefit from the stuff.
I am no competing at anything at the professional level, so I just changed my outlook on it all and stopped using.
I'm not against the use of the stuff, but for me I just found that it was a waste of my time/health/money.

and yeah, I know all about running - I ran competitively for 13 years of my life. I know what I "should" do - but that is easier said than done.
I'm burnt out on running, so I only do a few miles of it in a week. instead I do more miles on the bikes and the rowing machine (the Erg as a crew person would say).

there is nothing inherently magic about running. you are just reaping the rewards of aerobic exercise.
depending on how good/bad your form is, running is one of the better exercises to get a broad range of mucles worked, emphasizing the largest muscle groups (legs) - but there are many others that will still give you the same effects.

but yeah - there is something freeing and primal about running.
I just am toasted in terms of that and I can't go for more than a mile or so (slowly) mentally. it is just too boring.
I do enjoy racing, but in order to race, you need to be in the top shape - which I'm not. :)
I'll probably run some races with my girlfriend some time - she races around at the pace that I warm up at, so I can run with her and give her words of encouragement.

oh - and my cycles that I did - I did all kinds because I enjoyed seeing what various things did/didn't do to me.
if I were still doing them today, then I'd do two week cycles, high doses of test and fina - then I'd take 4 to 6 weeks off with plenty of nolva, clomid, and hcg.
but right now I just use a lot of fats and ALA (and protein of course, that is sort of a given), and I'm seeing great results.
I would never be a monster, which is just as well, because in my lifestyle, that just isn't going to work.
 
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