why is american education so crappy?

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It has everything to do with National Security.

There is a very fatally common misconception that a threat to national security must mean a very resolute attack on the United States soil. And when people think this, the do not include US soil to mean our many many stations outside the continental United States.

This includes naval ships (both military and otherwise), diplomatic stations, LORAN stations, government facilities, government funded facilities, US citizens and US soldiers/sailors.

There is a very very real threat from Iraq on US national security. Even before 9-11 we stood at great risk from Iraqi nationals and Iraqi funded groups. To doubt this goes against obvious evidence of terror attacks on US interests in the past 20 years.

Agreed but invading Iraq had nothing to do with National Security so are you happy with your tax dollars going down that toilet?

 

[Nubly]

It has everything to do with National Security.

There is a very fatally common misconception that a threat to national security must mean a very resolute attack on the United States soil. And when people think this, the do not include US soil to mean our many many stations outside the continental United States.

This includes naval ships (both military and otherwise), diplomatic stations, LORAN stations, government facilities, government funded facilities, US citizens and US soldiers/sailors.

There is a very very real threat from Iraq on US national security. Even before 9-11 we stood at great risk from Iraqi nationals and Iraqi funded groups. To doubt this goes against obvious evidence of terror attacks on US interests in the past 20 years.

nice ownage

 

[the nature boy]

There is a very very real threat from Iraq on US national security. Even before 9-11 we stood at great risk from Iraqi nationals and Iraqi funded groups. To doubt this goes against obvious evidence of terror attacks on US interests in the past 20 years.

I assume you're going to post some evidence to back up this claim.

 

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*sigh* Yeah, give me ten minutes to gather the list of terror attacks on the US in the last 20 years.

Although this page lacks the scope of terror attacks that stretch, literally to the 1970's, you get the picture.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/usterror.html#egyptair

I assume you're going to post some evidence to back up this claim.

 

[the nature boy]

*sigh* Yeah, give me ten minutes to gather the list of terror attacks on the US in the last 20 years.


I'll edit this post with the list.

Yeah I'd like to see that list of terror attacks involving Iraq against the US. I'd really like to know.

 

[d3track]

How do you know this?

The price of a widget is set by the market. So we know empirically that a good widget costs more than a not-so-good widget. We have this data with widgets. Or cars. Or rat poison, Or toilet paper. Or any good exchanged in a free market.

There is no free-market determinism for what a good teacher costs. So how can you say it costs more? Maybe it costs LESS, once the bureaucracy is removed. We just don't know, yet it is a common knee-jerk reaction to say 'spend more'. No one ever stops and thinks that high salaries attract bad teachers too.

There is no evidence to demonstrate what a good teacher costs. In fact, in many public schools, salaries are set by seniority and not merit, so it is even more difficult to determine what a good teacher costs. No effort is made to identify them.

Your basic assumption is inherently flawed.




what does "invest in our youth" mean? Is government like a surrogate parent? Should government step in for parents and destroy the family unit? What ever happened to individual rights? You never mention protecting those as a governmental goal.



Actually, school becomes 'so what' when government tells parents that Big Brother will be watching their kids 7 hours per day, and parents have no choice, and even if you don't have kids, you have to pay for it.

Sense any illogic there?



I sometimes wonder if you have a cardboard box over your head, and you;re watching a puppet show in there, and that is your reality. Your perception of the world is so amazingly simple. I'm sorta jealous I think. I want a puppet show too.

Anyway, I want my taxes back. I don't want them to go to educating other people's kids. I don't want them going to a school system that operates outside of a free market.

which box do I have to check for that?

dont forget its a recycled cardboard box, save a tree
remember, these kids that you want to take educational funding from are going to determin how much social security you get when you retire
one of those kids could be the one who develos a cure for the common cold
one of those kids who now doesnt have funding for the drama program at school, is gonna feel like seeing what it would be like to shoot your tires out on the freeway
our country is set up so we pay taxes for education and youth programs
if we keep paying, why are those programs being cut?
since you dont have kids, our views are different
i'm worried about were my daughter will go to school, i'm worried about the money that i pay for her school going to war, which i am not in favor in
and less money in education=less computers, less dictionaries, less updates for textbooks, more students per teacher, more stressed teachers

if i dont make you happy because of how i feel about it, fine
at least we both agree that its not working

 

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Tying terror attacks to a single nation is relatively pointless, since terrorist groups do not operate solely within a country, nor do they represent a single nation. **Quick edit, if it was an attack from Iraq, on the US. It would be an act of war, not terror**

Iraq's specific threat to the US is Saddam's refusal to comply with UN resolutions since 1992 AND previously, his Manifest Destiny approach to Kuwait.

Furthermore, Iraq has represented a direct threat to US operations/interests in the ME region AND US interests in northern Africa... specifically our diplomatic and military stations in Jordan, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Syria and Israel.

Most of this information, while probably not widely spread in the popular media can easily be gathered through things like state dept travel advisories and other similar sources of federal "tempest" data.

State Dept
http://travel.state.gov/meu_announce.html

Congress
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has195240.000/has195240_0f.htm

Middle Eastern Forums
http://www.meforum.org/article/184

Middle Eastern Interest Groups
http://www.mideasti.org/regissues/regissues_regionalsecurity.php

Smaller Sources of News (none main-stream yet no cause for bias)
http://www.alternet.org/story/11592

Yeah I'd like to see that list of terror attacks involving Iraq against the US. I'd really like to know.

 

[Mr. dB]

Iraq's specific threat to the US is Saddam's refusal to comply with UN resolutions since 1992 AND previously, his Manifest Destiny approach to Kuwait.

I love it when the same people who say that the UN is a joke, like to throw up Iraq's failure to comply with UN resolutions as a justification for the war.

 

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The UN is a total joke. Doesn't change the fact that when we've tried to work through them, it fails and they never back their shit up. Which is why it's a US led war on terror. You excel at getting half the picture.

I love it when the same people who say that the UN is a joke, like to throw up Iraq's failure to comply with UN resolutions as a justification for the war.

 

[the nature boy]

Tying terror attacks to a single nation is relatively pointless, since terrorist groups do not operate solely within a country, nor do they represent a single nation. **Quick edit, if it was an attack from Iraq, on the US. It would be an act of war, not terror**

Iraq's specific threat to the US is Saddam's refusal to comply with UN resolutions since 1992 AND previously, his Manifest Destiny approach to Kuwait.

Furthermore, Iraq has represented a direct threat to US operations/interests in the ME region AND US interests in northern Africa... specifically our diplomatic and military stations in Jordan, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Syria and Israel.

Most of this information, while probably not widely spread in the popular media can easily be gathered through things like state dept travel advisories and other similar sources of federal "tempest" data.

State Dept
http://travel.state.gov/meu_announce.html

Congress
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has195240.000/has195240_0f.htm

Middle Eastern Forums
http://www.meforum.org/article/184

Middle Eastern Interest Groups
http://www.mideasti.org/regissues/regissues_regionalsecurity.php

Smaller Sources of News (none main-stream yet no cause for bias)
http://www.alternet.org/story/11592

I'm sorry, we're going to have to disagree on what we think are "direct threats to National Security." I don't think that Iraq was or is the major terrorist player you and some other people think they are. The fact that Saddam was a very secular leader goes against the very idiologies that fundamentalist terrorists represent. Alot of what you posted here doesn't even back up your claims (direct threats to national security).

Alternet.org seems like a pretty cool site though.