Why do you think steriods are viewed as so evil?

[Swole_2112]

As a recently posted thread made mention, U.S. society and the U.S. government seem to have this agenda to stereotype AAS to the point of absurdity. Every time I turn around, there is a new and horrible side effect steriods have on the user. I'll read articles of studies having been done with regard to the effects of steriods on "whatever." Now, scientific studies can be conducted in a biased manner just as easily as the magazine articles that report on them. So, my question is, "if any of these studies have a bias engineered into them, why?" For what reason and to what end? Many of us on here have made examples out of the multiple otc drugs that one can purchase which are easily as harmful to the user as AAS, if abused. Yet, they aren't nearly as taboo. This all seems to be leading somewhere, and while I have my own opinions, and like to get the opinions of everyone else on here. So, chime in.

 

[solidspine]

Ignorance and the government is not making any money off it.

 

[BOOEY]

Cus it's illegal. Plain and simple. If creatine were illegal, people would look down on that too.

Think what happened to Ephedra.

 

[krishna]

Steroids can have a lot of negative effects if not used properly and at the right age. I think they are mostly trying to stop kids from using it, which is a good thing. Steroids do cause problems and fuck people up who don't use them right. The rest of us just have to deal with the bad publicity because of the idiots who fuck everything up. Such is life!

 

[Swole_2112]

Ignorance and the government is not making any money off it.

Ignorance definately plays its part, but I don't believe that's all. Some things that I see in the media seem to go beyond ignorance to the point of misinformation. When a scientific study is designed as biased for the purpose of yielding specific AND desired results, the study is not valid and misinforming.

 

[Swole_2112]

Cus it's illegal. Plain and simple. If creatine were illegal, people would look down on that too.

Think what happened to Ephedra.

While I do consider myself to be law abiding (for the most part), I guess I'm just not one to consider something as wrong merely because society and the law define it as such. There are certain crimes that are crimes because they are so defined by the law, and then there are crimes that are crimes in of themselves. If AAS were legalized tomorrow, would they suddenly no longer be evil. I'm just saying that there seems to be an agenda at work, here.

I don't know the statistics, but I'd be willing to bet that the abuse of alcohol has resulted in far more deaths than the abuse of AAS. If that's the case ( and I believe it is) then why isn't alcohol illegal? (A timeless EF question, I'm sure.)

 

[BOOEY]

While I do consider myself to be law abiding (for the most part), I guess I'm just not one to consider something as wrong merely because society and the law define it as such. There are certain crimes that are crimes because they are so defined by the law, and then there are crimes that are crimes in of themselves. If AAS were legalized tomorrow, would they suddenly no longer be evil. I'm just saying that there seems to be an agenda at work, here.

I don't know the statistics, but I'd be willing to bet that the abuse of alcohol has resulted in far more deaths than the abuse of AAS. If that's the case ( and I believe it is) then why isn't alcohol illegal? (A timeless EF question, I'm sure.)

The vast majority of the public are sheep. Government tells them something is bad, i.e. illegal, and they believe it. What would happen if it were legalized tomorrow? Not much in terms of public opinion - but after some time, people would accept it.

And just to make the legalization argument a little clearer: tell someone you are on HRT, prescribed by your doc and they're fine. Tell someone you're taking steroids without a script, they shun you.

 

[biteme]

I think the # 1 danger of AAS is heart disease due to a change in lipid profiles. Heart attacks kill instantly. Must keep those numbers checked.

 

[CBAR]

Rule followers hate people who think outside the box. I feel sorry for people who NEED to be told.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Ignorance definately plays its part, but I don't believe that's all. Some things that I see in the media seem to go beyond ignorance to the point of misinformation. When a scientific study is designed as biased for the purpose of yielding specific AND desired results, the study is not valid and misinforming.

What scientific studies are you talking about? Generally scientific studies from serious institutions are something to take seriously, especially if their results are duplicated in other studies.

 

[GetBig10]

because of greg valentino

 

[Svengali]

Anadrol+Sustanon=evil

 

[tonyroma]

Why the hell is steroids unaccepted over tobacco and alcohol???

Because our forefathers that made the laws of are country fluently smoked tobacco and drank alcohol. Our country was built on sociably accepting tobacco and alchohol in our communities. For example, look what happened in the great depression, people were going buck wild over alchohol prohibition, simply because for 120 years it was sociably accepted. Think about what would of happened if George Washington was poppin dbol's and Johny Appleseed was darting tren, it would of never be illegal today.

Look at your keyboard, why the fuck are the letters placed all weird. Because since the first typewriter was made, generations of people have become so accustomed to the same letter placement that people would go crazy if it was reformed differently.

Point in being, we now know the medical facts of all illegal substances due to modern day science, but regardless of how harmless they are, the U.S. society/gov't still refuses to accept some things (laws) being changed because they have been brought up believing that they are wrong and harmful. Just look at racism.....

 

[matty420]

Steroids can have a lot of negative effects if not used properly and at the right age. I think they are mostly trying to stop kids from using it, which is a good thing. Steroids do cause problems and fuck people up who don't use them right. The rest of us just have to deal with the bad publicity because of the idiots who fuck everything up. Such is life!

i would like to see statistics of steroid related medical problems for steroid users living in countries where personal steroid use is legal. in my honest opinion, i think alcohol is much more harmful than any AAS, but as was said in a previous post, the government is making a killing off of alcohol, and next to nothing off of steroids. sure, AAS are very dangerous if used improperly, but so are automobiles (i'm sorry for that horrible comparison, but it's true). i just hate the fact that everytime i blink, the AAS laws are getting harsher and harsher for steroid posession in the US.

 

[gettnlarge01]

When people don't understand something it's deemed as bad. It's been that way thru out history and won't change.

 

[bobbie]

i would like to see statistics of steroid related medical problems for steroid users living in countries where personal steroid use is legal. in my honest opinion, i think alcohol is much more harmful than any AAS, but as was said in a previous post, the government is making a killing off of alcohol, and next to nothing off of steroids. sure, AAS are very dangerous if used improperly, but so are automobiles (i'm sorry for that horrible comparison, but it's true). i just hate the fact that everytime i blink, the AAS laws are getting harsher and harsher for steroid posession in the US.

Im glad i live in N.Ireland where its not looked upon as bad as the US I feel sorry for u guys & the other countries

 

[under]

Not knowing enough about them.
Drugs is drugs in most peoples eyes.
taking the moral high ground, as is human nature to do so.

We are told certain things by society and they fall within a viewpoint of GOOD or BAD for you. Look at the drugs the british gov'ment is now taking out of the prescription bracket and making available to purchase. Zocor, Viagra, morning after pill, the list goes on. They are only doing this not becuase all of a sudden they are ok for you that hasnt changed, but becuase it is more cost effective for us to pay the full amount ourselves.

 

[Swole_2112]

What scientific studies are you talking about? Generally scientific studies from serious institutions are something to take seriously, especially if their results are duplicated in other studies.

A scientific study can be manipulated just as easily as any article or document. Don't think that simply because it came from Princeton or Brown University that it is incorruptible. And yes, I do know that if results are duplicated that the findings are only considered to be more valid. But, one still has to look at the way in which the study was conducted. What if there were two or more studies conducted by different universities, yet funded by the same corporation? They may be affected by the same influence and all the seperate findings affected thusly. All this is why one still needs to examine the fine print, regardless of where a study comes from.

 

[Ulter]

There's no question that the fear is centered around people using steroids too young. Most teens and even many early 20's are wreckless enough as it is, particularly when drinking. Starting fights in bars, sporting event, in traffic, parties, etc., and the thought of them using drugs that make them even "more dangerous" in that situation scares people. It's like giving them all Ferrari's to drive. It's all about the violence and the harm steroid users will do to others. The "roid rage" scare is the most talked about side effect of steroid users by far. Nobody cares if you get acne.

I remember when all this started and it was the cops that are asked to deal with this that were so against steroids. They were the ones organizing against steroids being legal. Now they make up the 2nd largest group of users by vocation.

The thing that fueled it was the 1988 Olympics in Seoul.

 

[Bruce]

very easy to target it. athletes used it to "cheat" so they say and young kids can be swayed by this. also the cliche meat head that has roid rage and is dangerous and deals in drugs of all facets is very easy to portray and scare suburban parents. its so easy to make it out to be something that ruins people.

 

[Triple789]

I think its kk to use it as long as your the proper age and if you know how to use it properly..athletes used it to cheat in compitions..there are some negitive side effects and goverment is bored

 

[Harleymarleybone]

i would like to see statistics of steroid related medical problems for steroid users living in countries where personal steroid use is legal. in my honest opinion, i think alcohol is much more harmful than any AAS, but as was said in a previous post, the government is making a killing off of alcohol, and next to nothing off of steroids. sure, AAS are very dangerous if used improperly, but so are automobiles (i'm sorry for that horrible comparison, but it's true). i just hate the fact that everytime i blink, the AAS laws are getting harsher and harsher for steroid posession in the US.

Not to defend the harsh laws, but you answered your own question. AAS are dangerous, and you need a lot of knowledge to use them properly. These boards are full of guys f-ing themselves up with gear - read the thread by the dude who got liver tumors from excess estrogen, for example. At least you need a licence to drive a car, and you have to be registered - and driving is a lot easier to learn than AAS use. After being on these boards for a while, it is clear there is no shortage of reckless young idiots playing Russian Roulette with their health and lives - not that I particularly give a shit - it is their choice. But I can at least understand the rationale for tight controls, though I don't necessarily agree with them.

 

[dline]

I'd say lack of respect for usage.

 

[JetCityDude]

Sounds somewhat political but steroids make men more manly. That bothers many feminists and the meterosexual crowd. In Boulder, Colorado, near here, the only drugs that you can really get busted for are steroids.

 

[redsamurai]

this society has gone out of it's way to castrate men.......hence nothing that makes us more "man" is tolerated.......unless we're making money, that's the only acceptable way of being a man nowadays. If you're making money for the man, you can do what you want. We're an enslaved society......and people don't realize it. We're not "free".....we're only "allowed" to do certain things as long as it in someway ties in with money. If nobody wanted to play Proffessional football, ie make bundles of money for the wealthy team owners.........and we all just wanted to play semi pro ball, or backyard ball or what have you.........football would be illegal to play, in the guise that they're protecting us from injury. But as long as football is being played in the land with the ultimate goal of trying to make it professionally, all is good.......ball players are nothing but gladiators in old rome. They're owned, just like every proffessional athlete in this country.

I could continue with how steroids benefits the average joe into becoming more than average and how that's a situation that is intolerable to the forces that run our society.........but I'll just leave with this..........how many of us substantial AAS users drink? And I mean drink like the alcohol companies want us too? Think abou that question, think about the answer.....and think about what it means to the machine.

 

[brewers]

Why the hell is steroids unaccepted over tobacco and alcohol???

Because our forefathers that made the laws of are country fluently smoked tobacco and drank alcohol. Our country was built on sociably accepting tobacco and alchohol in our communities. For example, look what happened in the great depression, people were going buck wild over alchohol prohibition, simply because for 120 years it was sociably accepted. Think about what would of happened if George Washington was poppin dbol's and Johny Appleseed was darting tren, it would of never be illegal today.

Look at your keyboard, why the fuck are the letters placed all weird. Because since the first typewriter was made, generations of people have become so accustomed to the same letter placement that people would go crazy if it was reformed differently.

Point in being, we now know the medical facts of all illegal substances due to modern day science, but regardless of how harmless they are, the U.S. society/gov't still refuses to accept some things (laws) being changed because they have been brought up believing that they are wrong and harmful. Just look at racism.....

actually a big part of how the keyboard is laid out is due to the fact your your dominant iand independant fingers are used to type most of the common letters such as a,s,f,t,r,o,i,d,e,n, etc...but i also agree that a big part of it also has to do with the "tradition" factor....

 

[Tweakle]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm??g=...c150&f=06/64&p=source_todayshow&fg=&gt1=9033&

because most people are like the soft looking guy in that video wearing the army shirt. And they find you and your juiced up masculinity a threat and an affront to their ego. Remember no matter how much money he's made, how much coporate power he has, how many people by being physically bigger and stronger than him you automatically reduce him to beta male status. Which people don't like.

your government loves to legislate over it as it's a nice distraction from real issues, which ends up demonizing a tiny proportion of the voting public and winning over the suburban moms who like to think their kids are safe

the media loves the witch hunt as it sells papers to people like Army Shirt Man, who can point at allstar althletes and dismiss them as 'cheaters' .. which makes him feel better about himself

move to canada

 

[thecomeback]

What pussies

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm??g=...c150&f=06/64&p=source_todayshow&fg=&gt1=9033&

because most people are like the soft looking guy in that video wearing the army shirt. And they find you and your juiced up masculinity a threat and an affront to their ego. Remember no matter how much money he's made, how much coporate power he has, how many people by being physically bigger and stronger than him you automatically reduce him to beta male status. Which people don't like.

your government loves to legislate over it as it's a nice distraction from real issues, which ends up demonizing a tiny proportion of the voting public and winning over the suburban moms who like to think their kids are safe

the media loves the witch hunt as it sells papers to people like Army Shirt Man, who can point at allstar althletes and dismiss them as 'cheaters' .. which makes him feel better about himself

move to canada

 

[tin2]

As a recently posted thread made mention, U.S. society and the U.S. government seem to have this agenda to stereotype AAS to the point of absurdity. Every time I turn around, there is a new and horrible side effect steriods have on the user. I'll read articles of studies having been done with regard to the effects of steriods on "whatever." Now, scientific studies can be conducted in a biased manner just as easily as the magazine articles that report on them. So, my question is, "if any of these studies have a bias engineered into them, why?" For what reason and to what end? Many of us on here have made examples out of the multiple otc drugs that one can purchase which are easily as harmful to the user as AAS, if abused. Yet, they aren't nearly as taboo. This all seems to be leading somewhere, and while I have my own opinions, and like to get the opinions of everyone else on here. So, chime in.

They scared .. scared of us all..

 

[redsamurai]

Remember no matter how much money ... american mediocrity at it's absolute finest.

 

[marshallmadman]

It is totally driven by jealousy. Government officials are jealous of anyone with a good physique. They equate it with you being able to get way more pussy than their fat, out of shape ass could ever get. That makes them angry. And, of course, the only way you can get a good physique is by using steroids...right? We get rid of those damn things and Congressmen, and Senators will get way more pussy.
Think about it.

 

[halfcenturian]

Steroids are like guns. Steroids don't kill people. People kill people. DUH !
In the wrong, or uneducated hands, steroids can fuck you up. America views it as cheating. They think it sets a bad example for our youth. Fortunately, most of us can think for ourselves. Do our own research, and make our own fucking decisions. We don't set a good example for our youth by smoking and drinking either. It is media hipocracy and ignorance at it's finest. Fuck'em!

 

[Swole_2112]

Fuck them all. What a bunch of fucking pussies. Granted, when people forcefully throw down the dumbells and bend them, subsequently damaging them for the rest of us, this is uncalled for and pisses me off. Otherwise, kiss my ass.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm??g=...c150&f=06/64&p=source_todayshow&fg=&gt1=9033&

because most people are like the soft looking guy in that video wearing the army shirt. And they find you and your juiced up masculinity a threat and an affront to their ego. Remember no matter how much money he's made, how much coporate power he has, how many people by being physically bigger and stronger than him you automatically reduce him to beta male status. Which people don't like.

your government loves to legislate over it as it's a nice distraction from real issues, which ends up demonizing a tiny proportion of the voting public and winning over the suburban moms who like to think their kids are safe

the media loves the witch hunt as it sells papers to people like Army Shirt Man, who can point at allstar althletes and dismiss them as 'cheaters' .. which makes him feel better about himself

move to canada

 

[Swole_2112]

this society has gone out of it's way to castrate men.......hence nothing that makes us more "man" is tolerated.......unless we're making money, that's the only acceptable way of being a man nowadays. If you're making money for the man, you can do what you want. We're an enslaved society......and people don't realize it. We're not "free".....we're only "allowed" to do certain things as long as it in someway ties in with money. If nobody wanted to play Proffessional football, ie make bundles of money for the wealthy team owners.........and we all just wanted to play semi pro ball, or backyard ball or what have you.........football would be illegal to play, in the guise that they're protecting us from injury. But as long as football is being played in the land with the ultimate goal of trying to make it professionally, all is good.......ball players are nothing but gladiators in old rome. They're owned, just like every proffessional athlete in this country.

I could continue with how steroids benefits the average joe into becoming more than average and how that's a situation that is intolerable to the forces that run our society.........but I'll just leave with this..........how many of us substantial AAS users drink? And I mean drink like the alcohol companies want us too? Think abou that question, think about the answer.....and think about what it means to the machine.

Fucking A, bro. Amen to that. I'm glad to read that some of us out there see these things more for what they are rather than what they are potrayed to be.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

A scientific study can be manipulated just as easily as any article or document. Don't think that simply because it came from Princeton or Brown University that it is incorruptible. And yes, I do know that if results are duplicated that the findings are only considered to be more valid. But, one still has to look at the way in which the study was conducted. What if there were two or more studies conducted by different universities, yet funded by the same corporation? They may be affected by the same influence and all the seperate findings affected thusly. All this is why one still needs to examine the fine print, regardless of where a study comes from.

Generally studies that are done by universities like the ones you mentioned, and which appear in *peer reviewed* journals are methodologically sound and are to be taken seriously. Their methodology is generally spelled out at the start of the paper. Yes, it is always wise to read the actual study, since usually, it is the media that puts the spin on studies that might suggest some conclusion they can sensationalize. That is why I asked what studies were being referred to. Also, university research is generally independent and not influenced by corporations. It is the best source we have for real knowledge on many of these issues. I would certainly believe a university study more than some meathead with mere anecdotal knowledge and hearsay, who is biased *in favor* of steroids, and therefore often downplays the real risks - and there are very real risks involved in the use of AAS. Just ask the guy who recently posted regarding liver tumors due to increased estrogen from AAS use.

 

[BigBlu]

Re: Why do you think steriods are viewed as so evil? (long reply)

No government on this planet has your health interests at heart. Politicians are the bitches for big business. It is the hypocrisy of democracy!

They're only interested in the 'legal' drugs they can sell you. The ones produced by the incredibly profitable pharmaceutical industry. The FDA is a hoax that pretends to 'protects' Americans and indirectly, the world, from the dangers of 'researched' drugs and supplements.

The government with its 'weapon of mass disinformation', the media, try extremely hard to keep people in fear, have them working for the system, taxing the money they earn, and showing them where to spend what little they have left.

The global AAS market is massive and the US government is pissed off that it doesn't have a slice of the pie. They're in on the cocaine trade, so why not steroids. Governments create the 'forbidden fruit', condemn it, study it, control it and then sell it to you. The reason for all this bad press about AAS is that all the steroids in use have passed their patent protection date and the pharmaceutical industry wants to regain control of the products they invented decades ago.

Testosterone is a naturally occurring substance and cannot be controlled with patent policies, and thus provides no exclusivity to one manufacturer. At the same time we also have an interesting scenario with HGH. The pharmaceutical companies producing recombinant HGH have made huge claims for this 'naturally occuring' peptide. Then came the Chinese with their high volume, low margin approach to economics and made the magical rHGH extremely affordable. This has Big Pharma in a spin. It's really quite funny....because HGH is NOT proving to be the fountain of youth that their clinical trials have 'PROVED'.

A refreshing example of the pursuit of health over profit is the South African government's stance on drugs for HIV/AIDS. The South African government approved the sale of generic HIV drugs in South Africa to infected people at a much lower cost than branded drugs....About one tenth the price, and in some cases free treatment for pregnant mothers infected with HIV. Now, various pharmaceutical companies are in the process of suing the government for patent/copyright infringement. This is the greatest hypocrisy, besides banking, that I've seen in the modern world. A ruling party attempts to prolong the life of it citizens by providing cheaper medications and along come an industry whose main purpose is to provide life enhancing treatments, but it overlooks this in pursuit of profit. Now who is sick?

If that isn't good enough for their annual reports then the Pharmaceutical industry will create diseases that will require treatment with their new miracle drugs. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the treatment of mental health. I'll be careful not to shoot myself in the foot here. I personally suffer from the effects of depression (feeling shit about being me. Basically low self esteem, which is really what the scientific community called learned helplessness. I'm in the process of unlearning this....) and do use antidepressants to make my life more liveable until I am evolved enough to completely change my peception of myself. Then these drugs have another side to them.....Dr's candy. They are becoming the soma of a very scared New World.

Governments are about the acquisition of materialism (mainly in the form of money, which is, contrary to popular belief, not a limited resource. Look into fractional lending by banks.) and seek out every opportunity to acquire control over it's citizens. Power and control, at this current time in our evolution, are ego based desires and can be fed with increasing sums of money.

Now, back to the demonization of AAS. I predict that after the anti steroid climax we will see American and other pharmaceutical companies being given patent rights to variations of old AAS, thus turning them into a marketable and profitable product for the pharmaceutical companies and in turn fill the pockets of the politicians.

This is the 'Halliburton' of pharmaceuticals, except that weapons aren't being used to create new zones for the 'development' services of a corporation. Pharmaceutical market research goes into seeking products, whether they be legal or illegal (whatever that means), to pass onto biochemists to analyse for analogues that can be isolated, tested, patented and sold.

Did you know that Cocaine and Heroin can be 'prescribed' by specialist doctors in the UK? This information appears in the British National Formulary (BNF) in case you think I'm nuts.

An example that is directly related to what I'm saying is the patenting, resurgence and acceptance of oxandrolone (Anavar to us BB's) to treat various illnesses, including HIV wasting. The sole patent holder of oxandrolone, new brand name Oxandrin, is a company called BTG....Bio Technology Corporation. Check this interesting link out: http://www.aegis.org/news/bw/1999/BW990806.html

I remember when I was in Australia 2 years ago I saw that Oxandrin 2,5 mg tablets where being sold for A$700 for 100 tabs by the pharmacies, which equates to about US$550. Now lets take British Dragon's Oxanabol from an overpriced high profile AAS retail site. Oxanabol comes in 10mg tabs and the packet contains 100 tabs. This product costs 210 Euro (about US$277) on this site. Now on a mg for mg basis, BTG's Oxandrin (pharmaceutical product) costs $2.20/mg and BD's Oxanabol (good quality underground lab) costs $0.27.....yes, 27 cents/mg!!! The underground product is almost 10 times cheaper!! See my point?

So finally to answer the question "why do you think steroids are viewed as evil?"....I would have to say that the powers that we voted in, to help us help ourselves,1.) Spread disinformation about AAS and their effects and 2.) These controlling bodies and businesses do not have control of some very profitable and useful substances and are following the to process to regain control thereof.

Long live UG labs and juicers. I don't tell people not to drink or smoke, so leave me alone with choices and their consequences. Free will is stifled by hypocrisy. Don't allow it.

 

[redsamurai]

Re: Why do you think steriods are viewed as so evil? (long reply)

<standing ovation>


it's the same deal with mary jane.......when the government finds a way to make money off of it, it'll be legal. But growing one's own mj is too easy........therefor I don't see people buying overpriced pharmaceutical shit.........so no legal bud probably ever.........unless we revolt!!....

No government on this planet has your health interests at heart. Politicians are the bitches for big business. It is the hypocrisy of democracy!

They're only interested in the 'legal' drugs they can sell you. The ones produced by the incredibly profitable pharmaceutical industry. The FDA is a hoax that pretends to 'protects' Americans and indirectly, the world, from the dangers of 'researched' drugs and supplements.

The government with its 'weapon of mass disinformation', the media, try extremely hard to keep people in fear, have them working for the system, taxing the money they earn, and showing them where to spend what little they have left.

The global AAS market is massive and the US government is pissed off that it doesn't have a slice of the pie. They're in on the cocaine trade, so why not steroids. Governments create the 'forbidden fruit', condemn it, study it, control it and then sell it to you. The reason for all this bad press about AAS is that all the steroids in use have passed their patent protection date and the pharmaceutical industry wants to regain control of the products they invented decades ago.

Testosterone is a naturally occurring substance and cannot be controlled with patent policies, and thus provides no exclusivity to one manufacturer. At the same time we also have an interesting scenario with HGH. The pharmaceutical companies producing recombinant HGH have made huge claims for this 'naturally occuring' peptide. Then came the Chinese with their high volume, low margin approach to economics and made the magical rHGH extremely affordable. This has Big Pharma in a spin. It's really quite funny....because HGH is NOT proving to be the fountain of youth that their clinical trials have 'PROVED'.

A refreshing example of the pursuit of health over profit is the South African government's stance on drugs for HIV/AIDS. The South African government approved the sale of generic HIV drugs in South Africa to infected people at a much lower cost than branded drugs....About one tenth the price, and in some cases free treatment for pregnant mothers infected with HIV. Now, various pharmaceutical companies are in the process of suing the government for patent/copyright infringement. This is the greatest hypocrisy, besides banking, that I've seen in the modern world. A ruling party attempts to prolong the life of it citizens by providing cheaper medications and along come an industry whose main purpose is to provide life enhancing treatments, but it overlooks this in pursuit of profit. Now who is sick?

If that isn't good enough for their annual reports then the Pharmaceutical industry will create diseases that will require treatment with their new miracle drugs. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the treatment of mental health. I'll be careful not to shoot myself in the foot here. I personally suffer from the effects of depression (feeling shit about being me. Basically low self esteem, which is really what the scientific community called learned helplessness. I'm in the process of unlearning this....) and do use antidepressants to make my life more liveable until I am evolved enough to completely change my peception of myself. Then these drugs have another side to them.....Dr's candy. They are becoming the soma of a very scared New World.

Governments are about the acquisition of materialism (mainly in the form of money, which is, contrary to popular belief, not a limited resource. Look into fractional lending by banks.) and seek out every opportunity to acquire control over it's citizens. Power and control, at this current time in our evolution, are ego based desires and can be fed with increasing sums of money.

Now, back to the demonization of AAS. I predict that after the anti steroid climax we will see American and other pharmaceutical companies being given patent rights to variations of old AAS, thus turning them into a marketable and profitable product for the pharmaceutical companies and in turn fill the pockets of the politicians.

This is the 'Halliburton' of pharmaceuticals, except that weapons aren't being used to create new zones for the 'development' services of a corporation. Pharmaceutical market research goes into seeking products, whether they be legal or illegal (whatever that means), to pass onto biochemists to analyse for analogues that can be isolated, tested, patented and sold.

Did you know that Cocaine and Heroin can be 'prescribed' by specialist doctors in the UK? This information appears in the British National Formulary (BNF) in case you think I'm nuts.

An example that is directly related to what I'm saying is the patenting, resurgence and acceptance of oxandrolone (Anavar to us BB's) to treat various illnesses, including HIV wasting. The sole patent holder of oxandrolone, new brand name Oxandrin, is a company called BTG....Bio Technology Corporation. Check this interesting link out: http://www.aegis.org/news/bw/1999/BW990806.html

I remember when I was in Australia 2 years ago I saw that Oxandrin 2,5 mg tablets where being sold for A$700 for 100 tabs by the pharmacies, which equates to about US$550. Now lets take British Dragon's Oxanabol from an overpriced high profile AAS retail site. Oxanabol comes in 10mg tabs and the packet contains 100 tabs. This product costs 210 Euro (about US$277) on this site. Now on a mg for mg basis, BTG's Oxandrin (pharmaceutical product) costs $2.20/mg and BD's Oxanabol (good quality underground lab) costs $0.27.....yes, 27 cents/mg!!! The underground product is almost 10 times cheaper!! See my point?

So finally to answer the question "why do you think steroids are viewed as evil?"....I would have to say that the powers that we voted in, to help us help ourselves,1.) Spread disinformation about AAS and their effects and 2.) These controlling bodies and businesses do not have control of some very profitable and useful substances and are following the to process to regain control thereof.

Long live UG labs and juicers. I don't tell people not to drink or smoke, so leave me alone with choices and their consequences. Free will is stifled by hypocrisy. Don't allow it.

 

[Swole_2112]

Re: Why do you think steriods are viewed as so evil? (long reply)

No government on this planet has your health interests at heart. Politicians are the bitches for big business. It is the hypocrisy of democracy!

They're only interested in the 'legal' drugs they can sell you. The ones produced by the incredibly profitable pharmaceutical industry. The FDA is a hoax that pretends to 'protects' Americans and indirectly, the world, from the dangers of 'researched' drugs and supplements.

The government with its 'weapon of mass disinformation', the media, try extremely hard to keep people in fear, have them working for the system, taxing the money they earn, and showing them where to spend what little they have left.

The global AAS market is massive and the US government is pissed off that it doesn't have a slice of the pie. They're in on the cocaine trade, so why not steroids. Governments create the 'forbidden fruit', condemn it, study it, control it and then sell it to you. The reason for all this bad press about AAS is that all the steroids in use have passed their patent protection date and the pharmaceutical industry wants to regain control of the products they invented decades ago.

Testosterone is a naturally occurring substance and cannot be controlled with patent policies, and thus provides no exclusivity to one manufacturer. At the same time we also have an interesting scenario with HGH. The pharmaceutical companies producing recombinant HGH have made huge claims for this 'naturally occuring' peptide. Then came the Chinese with their high volume, low margin approach to economics and made the magical rHGH extremely affordable. This has Big Pharma in a spin. It's really quite funny....because HGH is NOT proving to be the fountain of youth that their clinical trials have 'PROVED'.

A refreshing example of the pursuit of health over profit is the South African government's stance on drugs for HIV/AIDS. The South African government approved the sale of generic HIV drugs in South Africa to infected people at a much lower cost than branded drugs....About one tenth the price, and in some cases free treatment for pregnant mothers infected with HIV. Now, various pharmaceutical companies are in the process of suing the government for patent/copyright infringement. This is the greatest hypocrisy, besides banking, that I've seen in the modern world. A ruling party attempts to prolong the life of it citizens by providing cheaper medications and along come an industry whose main purpose is to provide life enhancing treatments, but it overlooks this in pursuit of profit. Now who is sick?

If that isn't good enough for their annual reports then the Pharmaceutical industry will create diseases that will require treatment with their new miracle drugs. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the treatment of mental health. I'll be careful not to shoot myself in the foot here. I personally suffer from the effects of depression (feeling shit about being me. Basically low self esteem, which is really what the scientific community called learned helplessness. I'm in the process of unlearning this....) and do use antidepressants to make my life more liveable until I am evolved enough to completely change my peception of myself. Then these drugs have another side to them.....Dr's candy. They are becoming the soma of a very scared New World.

Governments are about the acquisition of materialism (mainly in the form of money, which is, contrary to popular belief, not a limited resource. Look into fractional lending by banks.) and seek out every opportunity to acquire control over it's citizens. Power and control, at this current time in our evolution, are ego based desires and can be fed with increasing sums of money.

Now, back to the demonization of AAS. I predict that after the anti steroid climax we will see American and other pharmaceutical companies being given patent rights to variations of old AAS, thus turning them into a marketable and profitable product for the pharmaceutical companies and in turn fill the pockets of the politicians.

This is the 'Halliburton' of pharmaceuticals, except that weapons aren't being used to create new zones for the 'development' services of a corporation. Pharmaceutical market research goes into seeking products, whether they be legal or illegal (whatever that means), to pass onto biochemists to analyse for analogues that can be isolated, tested, patented and sold.

Did you know that Cocaine and Heroin can be 'prescribed' by specialist doctors in the UK? This information appears in the British National Formulary (BNF) in case you think I'm nuts.

An example that is directly related to what I'm saying is the patenting, resurgence and acceptance of oxandrolone (Anavar to us BB's) to treat various illnesses, including HIV wasting. The sole patent holder of oxandrolone, new brand name Oxandrin, is a company called BTG....Bio Technology Corporation. Check this interesting link out: http://www.aegis.org/news/bw/1999/BW990806.html

I remember when I was in Australia 2 years ago I saw that Oxandrin 2,5 mg tablets where being sold for A$700 for 100 tabs by the pharmacies, which equates to about US$550. Now lets take British Dragon's Oxanabol from an overpriced high profile AAS retail site. Oxanabol comes in 10mg tabs and the packet contains 100 tabs. This product costs 210 Euro (about US$277) on this site. Now on a mg for mg basis, BTG's Oxandrin (pharmaceutical product) costs $2.20/mg and BD's Oxanabol (good quality underground lab) costs $0.27.....yes, 27 cents/mg!!! The underground product is almost 10 times cheaper!! See my point?

So finally to answer the question "why do you think steroids are viewed as evil?"....I would have to say that the powers that we voted in, to help us help ourselves,1.) Spread disinformation about AAS and their effects and 2.) These controlling bodies and businesses do not have control of some very profitable and useful substances and are following the to process to regain control thereof.

Long live UG labs and juicers. I don't tell people not to drink or smoke, so leave me alone with choices and their consequences. Free will is stifled by hypocrisy. Don't allow it.

Very well put, bro, and, you make some excellent examples. Some of them, I wasn't aware of. Thanks for opening my eyes even more. You are definately right about one thing, the government, nor the corporations, have our best interests at heart. Unfortunately, no one seems to about to realize this for themselves. "... don't help them to bury the lies."

 

[Ralkoh]

The masses are not educated on anabolic use.... They believe what the media said and have a lack of education on the subject.....

 

[Bruce]

another reason its so easy to target, in the descriptions of steroids we have words like "toxic" and what not. ive never had any roid that was more toxic than good ole whiskey. they can show syringes and needles when they run stories on roids. people hate needles that are not on the dark side. they see them and they think "drugs drugs drugs". it gets equated to heroin in this manner. also i was thinking with gangster rap taking this whole new beefed up look(though with all this money you'd think 50 would know how to prevent gyno and bitch tits) they can connect that culture with steroids too. its just like someone said up above, i never tell anyone to put down their drink which most have every fucking night and all weekend. i never tell anyone not to smoke, shit i let motherfuckers do heroin as long as its not around me or my family. i know my parents think steroids are horrible. people just have the wrong idea. shitty athletes saying that steroids ruined their lives kills it too; people don't read the part where the doctor says steroids did not cause trouble. they read the part that says steroids and bad. just know that for now its something you cannot be open about with people outside of here. i'd be real careful who you tell cause they are coming down harder and harder, and people can turn on you fast. knowing you juice is something a trick will hold over your head